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Interviewing the Dalai Lama: He Had Me At Hello

Posted: 11/01/07 04:21 PM ET

In the lotus-strewn wake of the Dalai Lama's recent North American tour, anybody who is a somebody (and frankly, these days who isn't?) will have a how-I-met-the-Dalai-Lama story to tell. At the slightest instigation or with none at all, Catholic, Jew, atheist, they'll regale you with their encounter, eyes misting over. Often they turn out to be 30-second meetings in an elevator or hotel lobby. Even the shortest exchange takes on Greater Meaning -- such is the profundity of his presence and his ability to be so present with whomever he meets.

I listen politely to such stories. Then I struggle with my ego: should I trump theirs and tell mine? My ego usually wins, as it will here, because my meeting with him was so touching and revealing.

I had scored a one-on-one 90-minute interview with the 14th Dalai Lama, largely -- OK, solely -- because I was writing about the growing popularity of Buddhism for one of his favorite magazines, National Geographic. 2007-11-01-PG.jpg

I was to meet him in Dharamsala, India, headquarters of the Tibet Government in Exile since 1959. His secretary recommended I ask questions that were not the run-of-the-mill sort he has fielded for some 50 years and who knows how many lifetimes. In preparation, I read his autobiography, My Land and My People. It begins: "I was born in a small village called Taktser, in the northeast of Tibet, on the fifth day of the fifth month of the Wood Hog Year of the Tibetan calendar -- that is, the year 1935."

I stopped reading after the first paragraph, fixated on that village of his birth. This would be my unique angle. I convinced the Geographic to send me to Taktser, so that I could open the conversation with something like, "So I just happened to be in your old neighborhood, Holiness..." It might have been the most expensive icebreaker in Geographic history. The village, it turns out, is one of the most humble I have ever seen. Dirt paths, tiny mud houses set against a cliff, not a Starbucks in sight.

At the top of a hill, I found the house where Lhamo Dhondrub was born and from which he was taken at age four to begin his life as a future Dalai Lama. Rebuilt in 1986 as a monastery, the structure is now administered by the Chinese Government, a superficial gesture to make Tibetans believe the Chinese actually care about them and their leader. The Chinese government's clear discomfort (to put it mildly) with the attention showered on him in the United States two weeks ago more accurately reflects their position.

Inside, I met the Dalai Lama's nephew, Gongbu Tashi, a man of 58 who the Chinese government pays to maintain the monastery. (That's me in the photo above with Gongbu's grandson and the Dalai Lama's great-grandnephew in the courtyard of the monastery teaching him the Way of the High Five.)He told me more and more Westerners make the long pilgrimage to this now historic site. After he showed me around, we stood outside the monastery, overlooking the magnificent rolling green mountains of the Kunlun Range. My tape recorder running, I suggested he send his uncle a message that I promised to deliver personally. "What would you tell him right now?" I asked, putting the recorder to his mouth. He started: "Uncle, every day we are waiting and hoping and expecting you. You are my uncle and you are getting older and it's time for you to come home."

It was such a poignant moment because it was such a futile and implausible hope.

Six weeks later, tape in hand, I arrived at McLeod Ganj, the section of Dharamsala where the Tibetan Parliament, monks' school and Dalai Lama's offices are located. I was ushered through several security checks and then sat in a waiting room, nervous as hell. In all my preparation, I had not studied or even bothered to ask about the protocols involved upon meeting a Tibetan lama, much less the highest ranking lama. I knew that one should not touch a lama. So I decided I would just bow with palms together at my chest. But as I approached him, he extended his hand, Western style. The Dalai Lama -- the 14th reincarnation of the Buddha of Compassion, recipient of the Nobel Prize and now the Congressional Gold Medal, revered as an enlightened being -- took my hand and shook it robustly. After several shakes, I tried to withdraw my hand, working on the assumption there must be a protocol I was equally unaware of that dictated when to let go. But much to my surprise and delight, he tightened his grip.

Sure, I thought, keep my hand -- forever. Then he led me, his right hand still holding my right hand, across a long hall to where we would sit. I decided I would hold on until he let go. We must have held hands walking side by side like that for close to two minutes. It completely disarmed me -- as a man, as a journalist, as a human being -- and at the same time it made me feel completely embraced. It was asexual but it stimulated, or perhaps awakened, a place deep in my soul I knew existed only theoretically. But now that place felt palpable. Somehow his calm made me feel calm, as though he was giving me a hand-to-hand tranquility transfusion.

The man had me at hello.

As soon as we sat down, I pulled out my recorder, explaining I had been to Tatkser and had brought him a taped message from his nephew, Gongbu Tashi. His eyes lit up. As he listened to the three-minute section I'd cued up, this almost fatherly look crossed his face. This time it was his own eyes misting over.

"Every day they are thinking that way," he said. Then he went silent.

I told him when I first saw the village, I thought, "How amazing that from such humble beginnings a man would rise to such world renown."

"Does it ever amaze you too?" I asked.

"Yes," he said. "If you look back, a person from very small village eventually reaches Lhasa with the name of Dalai Lama. So then in the last few decades the Tibetan nation's interest is somehow very connected with that village boy." He laughed his signature laugh -- an endless, uninhibited giggle -- as though the ludicrous randomness of his own life had just struck him.

I held the tape recorder up to his mouth as he laughed. Nowadays when life seems ludicrous and random -- and frankly, these days when doesn't it? -- I replay the Dalai Lama's laugh track. I don't know; it seems to help.

 

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In the lotus-strewn wake of the Dalai Lama's recent North American tour, anybody who is a somebody (and frankly, these days who isn't?) will have a how-I-met-the-Dalai-Lama story to tell. At the sligh...
In the lotus-strewn wake of the Dalai Lama's recent North American tour, anybody who is a somebody (and frankly, these days who isn't?) will have a how-I-met-the-Dalai-Lama story to tell. At the sligh...
 
 
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01:29 AM on 11/05/2007
What a Christ-like man, this monk. Thank you for sharing. I loved the account of the reporter who asked His Holiness if he had any message or statement He wanted to send to the leaders of the Republic of China. The Dali Lama focused on the reported with a playful smile, brushed the reporter's cheek with his hand and said "You don't represent the Chinese government!" How concrete and child-like and perfect a responce. It reminded me of Peter Sellers in Being There"
11:43 PM on 11/04/2007
How is it possible to walk side by side, right hand holding right hand? One faced forward, the other backward? Isn't that awkward?

I had the privilege and pleasure of seeing HHDL in Pasadena last year. What a lovely presence in which to spend time. Big mind, big heart, and the fundie Christians protesting outside couldn't make a dent in the compassion and peace that was available to take from his seminar. I'll have to look for the rest of this article in National Geographic. I, too, would love to hear your tape of his laugh!
10:51 AM on 11/04/2007
Dear Perry,

So? How 'bout putting that laugh onto YouTube, so we can all get some?!?

Share, Sir!!!
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10:27 AM on 11/04/2007
Ah, wakefulness...
06:54 AM on 11/04/2007
Thanks for the article. The Dalai Lama fills me wit5h such joy, even just to hear about him. Thanks.
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05:53 PM on 11/03/2007
Reflecting on a recent trip to Thailand where I watched the young monks go out in the morning for their food gathering I thought what a wonderful lesson in humility, giving, and the kindness of strangers. Imagine if American teens had to do this for a few years.
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04:45 PM on 11/03/2007
Wow...more.....
10:52 AM on 11/03/2007
I am the first one to say the articles are too long but this was not long enough. America currently has this desperate need for heroes. Well The Dali Lama is one. WHY, because what he is saying is the ONLY thing that works. Can you imagine all our troops working for the good of humanity. Some time in the future we will realize that violence and anger are not effective and bring nothing but more of the same. That is why in my own small corner I do the best I can to visit the church of KINDNESS as often as I can.
08:47 AM on 11/03/2007
Love your article, wish you write more about Dalai Lama. I am not a buddhist but like to have a bust of Buddha in my rooms, somehow just looking at the face creates a calming effect, and makes me think what Buddha was about.
How I wish I see Dalai Lama and hear him speak, Atlanta this time invited him I understand. How about Vanderbilt, Nashville ? They totally missed their chance. Still hoping...
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03:20 AM on 11/03/2007
So, I wonder, does this self-styled Buddhist leader have anything in common with our self-styled Christian leaders here in the states? I mean, does he go around preaching to have homophobia inscribed into the Buddhist Constitution?
Or, does he have secret homosexual sexcapades while he preaches the evil of love?
Oh well, guess I'll just have to wait for my issue of Nat'l Geo to arrive before I get all the juicy details.
12:22 AM on 11/03/2007
Reincarnation negates all predjudice and racism; it also invalidates the idea of being "saved" and the fear of heaven and hell as well as death. It's amazing so many people don't believe in reincarnation, because to me, it seems obvious, but I understand that most people have no concept of their own other lifetimes. However, it seems to be a practical belief for the reason that one cannot judge another from an ego-based perspective, and certainly not because of their skin color or sexual orientation--most of us have been every race and gender. Sometimes people use predjudices to keep themselves from experiencing a particular part of their psyche, especially if it's very close to the surface; we can see this manifesting in present life situations with the closet-case anti-gay legions, be they pastors or politicians. Try hypnotic regression before you make up your mind.
I love the Dali.
10:42 PM on 11/02/2007
How does reincarnation jive with evolution?
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09:13 PM on 11/02/2007
You're absolutely right. It's where we turn our attention. The Dalai Lama is a great symbol for all of us to act in love and compassion. We can do it right now.
06:17 PM on 11/02/2007
While reading your article a profound sense of peace come over me.
We are blessed the have the Dalai Lama walking among us during these trouble times.
05:58 PM on 11/02/2007
Wonderful beginning of an article. Where's the rest? What did HH say?