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Structural Unemployment Talk Is Nonsense

Posted: 05/08/2012 3:30 pm

Remember that unemployment problem we used to have? The one that politicians, pundits and policymakers used to talk about on a regular basis, debating how we might fix it? Well, forget about all that, because the problem is structural, meaning nothing can be done. So sayeth a loud slice of the econo-pundit class.

Rather than traditional cyclical unemployment, which reflects a weakness in demand for goods and services and can be goosed with additional government spending, structural unemployment is impervious to traditional economic solutions. It results from a mismatch between available workers and needed jobs. But skip the academic definitions. In what passes for the national conversation, the essential meaning of "structural unemployment" is that people with money need not bother fretting over those who are out of work and are struggling to pay their bills, because fate and globalization and forces larger than any institution have rendered so many jobs obsolete. No point making the wealthy pay more in taxes to support government spending, because this will not deliver jobs.

Structural unemployment is functionally a euphemism that allows its adherents to claim the imprimatur of professorial authority while condemning millions of people to long-term joblessness -- all this, without having to feel mean or heartless. People are out of work, but nothing can be done. What a pity! Please pass the paté.

For many months, two prominent New York Times columnists -- Paul Krugman, the Nobel laureate economist, and David Brooks, the controversy-loving dilettante -- have been debating the root causes of high unemployment, while unleashing thinly veiled attacks on one another without the indelicacy of naming names. The latest flare-up came this week as Brooks described his belief that joblessness is mostly structural. This prompted Krugman to produce a chart on his blog showing that manufacturing, services and construction have all seen job losses since the beginning of the Great Recession.

"Maybe people have some other structural story in mind -- except that's the one they like to tell in popular articles," Krugman wrote in his umpteenth obvious dismissal of Brooks. "So why are these people so sure that it's structural? I know that it sounds wise and Serious to say that it is, but there is this matter of actual evidence; that evidence is strongly inconsistent with a structural story, and quite consistent with a demand story."

The day after Brooks' column landed, the Wall Street Journal's Justin Lahart delivered a pertinent piece of analysis: Absent government job cuts since the financial crisis of 2008, the unemployment rate would today be at 7.1 percent, a full point lower than its current level. If state and local governments had more money to spend, that would mean more jobs for everyone -- and presumably more government revenues.

We do have structural problems, to be sure. We have let our basic educational infrastructure decay, and we have made it difficult for the vast majority of Americans to afford higher education, while shoveling more and more of the profits to people with advanced degrees. We still have way too many people working in finance, an area of the economy that has very little to do with producing goods and services of intrinsic value -- products that human beings can use to solve a problem, or make their lives more productive -- and a good deal to do with making money change hands so Wall Street can exact a cut. We would all benefit from a restructuring, moving the economy away from dependence on financial innovation and toward real innovation in productive areas such as renewable energy, information technology and the life sciences.

That's all long-term stuff. But in the meantime, there's a good deal that can be done to more quickly alleviate the broad suffering attendant to an employment crisis that remains so widespread and persistent that it has insinuated itself into the basic fiber of American expectation. We can increase investment in infrastructure and education, and we can deliver aid to struggling states and local governments so they can hire people -- people who will then distribute their wages to private businesses. We can pay for these things not by adding extravagantly to our deficits, as some alarmists would have you believe, but rather by lifting tax rates back to where they were when that tax-and-spend socialist subversive enemy of free enterprise Ronald Reagan occupied the White House.

This may not be a sexy story. It may deprive us of the opportunity to impress cocktail party-goers with exotic concepts like structural unemployment. But it will improve our economic lot.

 
 
 

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Remember that unemployment problem we used to have? The one that politicians, pundits and policymakers used to talk about on a regular basis, debating how we might fix it? Well, forget about all that,...
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
01:08 AM on 05/11/2012
The US had about 129 milllion inhabitants before WWII, without Alaska and Hawaii. Now it's over 300 as far as I know. With the parallel development of companies preferring to operate in communist (?!?!) China, how could anyone expect there be enough jobs for that increased population? Greece was a poor country when they had 8 million inhabitants 4o years ago, they now have 11 million - and anybody is surprised what's happening? By contrast, Germany had 78.8 million in 1938, now 81 or so. Stable population makes things easier.

The Arab Spring erupted over unemployment in Tunesia.

As far as I am concerned the current worldwide unemployment problem is part of the population bomb exploding. As long as you declare this the taboo part of the topic, nothing will change.
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Robert SF
01:08 AM on 05/13/2012
How could anyone expect there be enough jobs for that increased population? Population is not normally a drag on an economy. On the contrary: the more population, the greater the GDP. This is because people, just by existing, create jobs. Someone has to grow the food they eat, ring up their groceries, make the car they drive the groceries home to, make the home where they take the groceries to, etc., etc.

I assure you that the current worldwide unemployment problem has nothing to do with overpopulation. It has to do with increasing productivity, where you need fewer and fewer people to produce the same amount of goods. Reducing the number of people would reduce the amount of goods needed, which would reduce employment proportionally, and the unemployment rate would remain unchanged.
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
12:10 AM on 05/17/2012
I have heard that view yes, that's from the text books. I still do not believe it. Poverty is most entrenched where the highest birthrates are.
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mataylor16
You all want it one way. But, its the other way. -
03:54 PM on 05/10/2012
One quesiton Ive never quite heard answered in a satisfactory way: if there is widespread technological innovation, doesnt it follow that social inovation needs to respond? How can a 18th century economic model work with a 21st century productive base? In other words, how does the industrial captialism model propose to even resemble a socially beneficial arragnement when the industrial capital has as its goal to produce ever greater levels of output on a ever diminshed employee base? Its socially unacceptable and fiscally questionable to toss people on the unemployment scrap heap; you need to accept that these people have to find work, even if its not making somebody a profit per se. Look around this country. There is nothing but work to be done, but no jobs anywhere. A major shift in our economic model is coming, inevitably. It would be better for adherents of the current one to consider its weakneses instead of ignoring them.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
02:12 PM on 05/10/2012
do like the french government is going to do tax the rich at 75%.
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JDLA
Your bills are not the government's responsibility
06:31 PM on 05/10/2012
And then we can watch them pull their investments and move their money to a low tax country. Now the banks won't lend to a cash poor company and investors aren't investing in said companies, every thing can come to a stand still and we can all become wards of the state. Hold it the state won't have any money because no one is working. Details details,
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vidtrainer110
Fear is the tool of tyrants
08:37 AM on 05/10/2012
I appreciate the argument because many are using the concept of structural unemployment to justify government inaction or a move to austerity, which would hurt the overall economy. Further, I feel some of this posters frustration because of the constant drumbeat of conservatives insisting that somehow "uncertainty" (defined as fear the government will take all their money away) is the major reason for low private investment and its attendant high unemployment. This is largely a smokescreen. Businesses themselves will tell you this. When asked why they are not hiring, lack of demand tops every other reason by far.
That said, working in and building businesses in the tech industry, I do see technology replacing huge swaths of employees and I find it disturbing that there doesn't seem to be new emerging businesses/industries to make up the gap. There are other ways of solving this problem, but I think they are currently political and cultural non starters (shorter work weeks, for example) Unfortunately, we have been cutting investment in base R&D for decades which I am pretty sure slows the emergence of new areas for industry. We also have a shortage of entrepreneurs. The low cost of entry for many businesses should allow many more to take risks, but there don't seem to be enough risk takers. Of course, part of this is chicken/egg...no demand, so why go into business? Sigh, no fast magic bullet solutions.
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01:26 AM on 05/10/2012
Does this mean China has better trained monkeys than the US or is there some point about globalization that makes them better workers ? And don't tell me it's cheaper to work in China because they don't have expensive benefit packages as we do in the US....we have Walmart after all...
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ncal
ON MY SOAP BOX
11:23 PM on 05/09/2012
Best piece yet on why the Republicans have to be voted out of every level of government. Why would you elect someone opposed to government to run one? Why are they running?
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10:35 AM on 05/10/2012
A concept I could never understand......
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mataylor16
You all want it one way. But, its the other way. -
03:59 PM on 05/10/2012
Even better, why would you go ask the people for their vote in the name of installing an aristocracy, and minimizing their democratic legitimacy in the process. Always seemed like an inherently duplicitious thing to do.
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ncal
ON MY SOAP BOX
08:42 PM on 05/10/2012
Corporate oligarchy. Many politicians are on the marketing team. F/F
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James Swick
Enjoying the spectacle
07:38 PM on 05/09/2012
Structural Unemployment sounds like Structured Obsolescence of people. The question is: Is this intentional or just an opportunity?
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Quis Custodiet
Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes
05:47 PM on 05/09/2012
I would like to extend my deepest gratitude to the Bush and Obama administrations for reminding us, ignorant yokels, that we simply do not comprehend the complexities of running a nation state tasked with the Holy goal of bringing Freedom, Liberty, and Equality to the rest of the world.

In related news: its structural because the DOHA round is currently hung up.
Time to leave this country.
04:43 PM on 05/09/2012
You'd think it would be in the interests of the supposed job creators to make sure that the pool of American workers has access to education and training to fill all those created jobs. But their attitude toward taxes to fund public education and student grants for college says otherwise.
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James Swick
Enjoying the spectacle
07:42 PM on 05/09/2012
An educated public is a threat. The idea is to allow only non-trouble makers to be educated whose primary task is to manage the wealth and resources. Death to ideas.
07:52 PM on 05/09/2012
The entrepunerial spirit has been killed off.
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10:36 AM on 05/10/2012
You are so right.....
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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
04:10 PM on 05/09/2012
I thought Krugman's analysis (how to detect the "signature" of a structural economic problem) was cleverly conceived, but it seemed odd that he only considered employment from 2007 to 2011. So I went to the BLS site he referenced and analyzed their data myself.

What I found is that construction employment rose steadily since 1962, then began to plummet in 2007. From 2007 to 2011 the construction sector lost 28% of its workforce. That's consistent with the cyclical model; this is the effect of the recession.

But manufacturing and mining employment peaked in 2000, and has been dropping ever since. The downturn in those sectors began seven years before the recession. From 2000 to 2007, these industries shed 20% of their employees, while construction employment GREW by 12%.. There's your structural change.

So in the 2000-2007 period we traded 12 million manufacturing/mining jobs for 1.3 million construction jobs, a loss of 10.7 million jobs where average American workers made good wages.

Renewable energy, information technology and life sciences are all great industries, but they aren't going to create ten million middle-class jobs for people with high school diplomas and no special skills. Outsourcing manufacturing has left our economy with a structural void that used to be the backbone of the middle class.
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ncal
ON MY SOAP BOX
11:42 PM on 05/09/2012
There's something going on in the background that only one columnist has mentioned in reference to the latest jobs report. 4M boomers are turning 65, starting last year and continuing for 14 more years. Corporations have been concentrating on removing this group (40% of the workforce) from eligibility for full retirement since the 2000 dot com bust. Just in time, all of the boomer IRAs and 401Ks were decimated by the 'recession'. At the same time, we are having to re-wage the war for women's rights that the boomers won in the 70s. And we're waging a war with immigrants (and deporting 30% of graduating classes of universities) -- when they are the answer to our prayers. So all of my dates are matching your dates and explain the numbers you found. The generation born 1985-2000 matches the boomers in size so there is definitely a better fix for this situation than the current globalized corporate oligarchy. And it mystifies me that there is not some attention paid to the 'trickle' -- $45T in U.S. credit default swaps and $1,000T traded annually in the worldwide derivatives market -- with no discernible hook to supply and demand in any way whatever.
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10:39 AM on 05/10/2012
Interesting observation. Something to think about.......
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mataylor16
You all want it one way. But, its the other way. -
04:14 PM on 05/10/2012
You're spot on the money here. NAFTA did not take long to have an effect. Consider that there was 1.3 mil construction jobs that would probably not have existed but for quasi-legal financial schemes and obscenely low interest rates (one hand washing the other there). There was no deviation from historical populaiton growth, or FDI patterns, that would suggest a construction boom should take place.
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EHenry
Author of the new book - How We Got Swindled by Wa
04:06 PM on 05/09/2012
Brooks is an apologist for conservatives gone awry. And certainly not in the league of Krugman - but few are as objective and unfettered by monetary slants.

It is possible to parse structural, but the real root cause is that the return of Social Darwinism has morphed (metastasized) into Financial Darwinism with the ethic: survival of the richest. The genre of socipathic greed has never been concerned with balancing the common good with private needs and the past is prologue.

Krugman does not deem this is a "great recession" but a "Depression." And our last one was caused by the laissez faire - maximize profits no matter what economic practices of robber barons in the era of Social Darwinism.

How We Got Swindled is the only book about the root cause, and the underlying cause of the manifestation must be identified to attempt a cure. Goodman is right about what can be done now to apply a tourniquet but the gaping wound will remain. To know what Congress and Wall Street do not want you to know: www.howwegotswindled.com
03:38 PM on 05/09/2012
The 1940s "Tacoma Narrows Bridge", popularly known as "Galloping Gertie", had a structural problem that caused it to collapse. We learned our lesson from that one and we don't build bridges that way anymore. I am told that film of the collapse is shown to all first-year structural engineering students.

We don't accept collapsing bridges: we carefully analyze what went wrong and build a better bridge, taking every practical measure to reduce the chance of a repeated disaster. Unemployment is a serious and fundamental problem for any society. Why would we do any less in the case of a collapsing economy?

Unless someone doesn't want it fixed.
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jmpurser
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06:01 PM on 05/09/2012
The problem with your analogy is that when Gertie fell NO ONE could use her.  When the economy collapsed it only collapsed for the 99%.  The 1% was fine.  So no one "who matters" saw any reason to "fix" it.
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kurtvb
Knowledge is Power
07:10 AM on 05/10/2012
There you are wrong. When TNB collapsed, the main cables did not break, just the road deck fell. If you were a tight rope walker, or a a bridge maintenance worker, you could still use the bridge. 99% of the people could not, but just 1% could. Galloping Gertie is still a good analogy. ;)
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jmpurser
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03:22 PM on 05/09/2012
Full employment is Structurally incompatible with Reaganomics, Voodoo Economics, Supply Side Economics, Chicago School Economics, Austrian School Economics, and all the other Shock Doctrine games being played to make sure the rich get richer.
03:02 PM on 05/09/2012
Doing the projected tax recept math relative to projected tax hikes doesn't mean the math, once the actual taxes are raised, will end being correct. People will change their behavior relative to taxes in whatever way best keeps their money in their own pockets. The money he seems to think will be raised over time by increased taxation will not materialize.

The kind of tremendous investment Goodman is talking about can only be brought about today by a significant borrowing of even more money, ie Simulus ll. And he knows it.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
03:18 PM on 05/09/2012
When the cost of borrowing is as low as it currently is it's prudent to make the investments in infrastructure now when it's both needed and less costly. Being cheap can be expensive.
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Jerome Bigge
03:58 PM on 05/09/2012
Depends upon the type of the tax used and how it is enforced. A national VAT would be hard to avoid and would effective tax anyone who buys goods or services. Also replacing the present payroll tax with a 10% VAT means that those who now avoid payroll tax (like those living off capital gains or "carried interest") would be paying into Social Security and Medicare. Plus those "working off the books" who can avoid both the payroll tax and the income tax would be paying into the VAT. If there is concern that that the VAT would be harmful to the very poor, it would be easy enough to do a "rebate" on a monthly or yearly basis much as we do now with tax refunds. Also, since employers would not have to do the deductions, deposit money into the Treasurey (I was an employer for 12 years), it would simplify bookkeeping to some extent too. The VAT (national sales tax) could be applied to all sales, both from brick and mortar stores and the Internet. Monthly you'd total up your sales, send 10% to the Treasury. Simple, easy to do and understand. You could also do a "Tobin tax" (say 1% on purchase and sale of stocks and bonds). Again, a tax of this nature is very difficult to "cheat" since it could apply to all sales to Americans.
barbara jay
my kid says hi
03:33 AM on 05/10/2012
How would that play out where consumers are already paying sales tax and perhaps also city tax? The countries I know that level a VAT do it only on the national level. Having a rebate system in states with their own already high sales tax would create a lot of extra cumbersome paperwork for individual consumers who need to take advantage of it.
03:01 PM on 05/09/2012
If everyone has been paying attention, you would already know that both political party's have their own "official" solution towards solving our unemployment crisis.

Democrates= "They're frustrated and given up looking for work"
Republicans/Gov.Lepage= "Get of the couch and get a job!" One can bet, Governor Lepage of Maine, took the words right out of Romney's mouth when he made the comment.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
03:18 PM on 05/09/2012
Do you get Democrates at Ikea?
03:53 PM on 05/09/2012
What's your point? Please, help me read your mind.
04:18 PM on 05/09/2012
What is your motive for asking the question?