More

Featuring fresh takes and real-time analysis from HuffPost's signature lineup of contributors
Phil West

GET UPDATES FROM Phil West

Why America Hates Arcade Fire, and Why That's Sort of Hilarious

Posted: 02/22/11 03:06 PM ET

It's been a little over a week now since Arcade Fire -- an earnest, joyous, unassuming Canadian indie band who release their albums on an earnest, joyous, unassuming American indie label (Chapel Hill, N.C.-based Merge) -- won an Album of the Year Grammy for The Suburbs.

In retrospect, the competition wasn't terribly fierce, unless you feel Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster was weighty enough (and even on the strength of "Bad Romance" and "Telephone," it probably isn't), that Eminem deserved some sort of lifetime achievement award (probably not yet), or that Katy Perry or Lady Antebellum deserved to be in the conversation (no).

In a year where self-identified indie bands permeated all layers of mainstream culture, and in a year where no single album emerged as a talisman for what 2010 was about, Arcade Fire was absolutely the best choice of the five, and music observers in the know shouldn't be surprised that the band took home the little gold statue derided by The Simpsons all the way back in 1993.

Yet, there is outrage across the land -- outrage exemplified of late by music executive Steve Stoute, who wrote an open letter appearing in HuffPost and as a full-page New York Times ad on Sunday. Stoute asserts (seemingly without irony) that "we have come to expect that the Grammys upholds all of the values that reflect the very best in music that is born from our culture" -- which arguably ceased to be when Milli Vanilli was named best new artist in 1990 -- and goes on to argue that Eminem was a deserving candidate based largely on sales and his cultural influence, without any sort of acknowledgment of who Eminem was competing against.

More hilariously, the outrage of people struggling with Arcade Fire's name has been captured in my favorite Tumblr site of the moment, Who Is Arcade Fire?, which compiled Twitter posts and videos that are pretty much collectively asking, "Whaaaaaa?" This site gives us the Today Show's Kathie Lee Gifford and Hoda Kotb noting that a fire in an arcade is probably a bad thing, some YouTube personality named Mr. Nikbagtv telling Kanye West that "Arcadia does not need your help," and choice tweets from angry Justin Bieber fans who were still reeling from Esperanza Spalding wrenching the Best New Artist Grammy from Bieber's deserving, delicate, touchable fingers.

Even though indie fans aren't so caught up in the "our music is better than mainstream music" trope that dominated when Top 40 was a viable format or before the internet fundamentally changed the mechanisms by which music is distributed, Arcade Fire winning the Album of the Year award still has a light, perfumed sense of validation about it. It certainly helps that the band is a critical darling, has its own lifetime achievement award claim dating back to 2004's Funeral -- on a number of indie rock geeks' short lists for last decade's Album of the Decade -- and that this album examines the suburban culture that so many indie fans fled on their way to declaring indiedom.

For those alienated by the Arcade Fire's win, it strangely feels like last year's public outcry about Obamacare. Despite many Americans supporting the individual planks that made up the Obama health plan, the whole package was met with a wariness that this was somehow too big and too Canadian -- not entirely unlike an eight-piece, Montreal-based band who incorporate mandolins and violins into their mix.

Certainly, there's a distrust around the Grammy Awards evinced by Stoute's open letter, and it's a worry rooted in whether a winning act is deserving of the award. There's the infamous case of the inaugural Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance category in 1989, when Metallica was expected to win, but lost to Jethro Tull -- a shocking nomination, given that the band doesn't consider themselves to be a metal band and that singer Ian Anderson doubles as the band's flutist. When the Grammy folks get it wrong, as they certainly did here, it's a wrong of an epic proportion, less about a cavalier surprise and more about the alternate reality in which Grammy voters seemingly live.

Stoute is correct in noting hip-hop certainly deserves its due, and I think this happens at the Grammys again as soon as next year. The outpouring of critical love for Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy -- missing the Sept. 30, 2010 cut-off date for this year's awards -- should be accordingly validated at next February's Grammy show, about four months after we've all reached our saturation point with "Power." But Eminem losing to Arcade Fire is not a Jethro Tull or a Milli Vanilli moment, despite the gathering of thought bubble question marks above the heads of numerous Grammy watchers nine days ago. Arcade Fire -- despite their mandolins, their hurdy-gurdys, their accordions, the whiff of free health care about them -- are deserving winners, in a year where deserving winners weren't all that easy to find.

 

Follow Phil West on Twitter: www.twitter.com/philwest

It's been a little over a week now since Arcade Fire -- an earnest, joyous, unassuming Canadian indie band who release their albums on an earnest, joyous, unassuming American indie label (Chapel Hill,...
It's been a little over a week now since Arcade Fire -- an earnest, joyous, unassuming Canadian indie band who release their albums on an earnest, joyous, unassuming American indie label (Chapel Hill,...
 
 
  • Comments
  • 51
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Recency  | 
Popularity
Page: 1 2  Next ›  Last »  (2 total)
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
stuoverit
"What year did Jesus think it was?"-GC
03:58 PM on 02/23/2011
Can't we just agree that Phish is way better?
photo
HUFFPOST BLOGGER
Phil West
09:48 AM on 02/24/2011
We can TOTALLY do that. ;)
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
stuoverit
"What year did Jesus think it was?"-GC
10:07 AM on 02/24/2011
Very nice Phil (I tried to make a Ph- joke, but alas my wit fails me this morning). I'm not sure where the interview was, but Trey Anastasio discussed how the Arcade Fire put on such an impressive and vibrant live show. That says alot coming from the red-headed wizard himself.
02:56 PM on 02/23/2011
I don't think this 'outcry' against them actually exists. Certainly not enough of anything to say that "America hates Arcade Fire", what a silly statement. And yeah, they're technically Canadian, but Win and Will Butler were born in CA and spent most of their lives in TX. They're really only a little Canadian...
11:53 AM on 02/23/2011
I've listened to Arcade Fire ever since their first album and thought it was great for them to get recognition at the Grammys- great and totally unexpected, lol, since I pretty much figure the Grammys are just one giant marketing racket for major lables to decide which artists they want to back and feature and reward for good behavior and then they usually throw in a few lesser known performers to show how 'open' they are to different kinds of music. It SHOULD be one of those situations where just being nominated is an honor ( Bieber fans, I'm talking to you!) but it doesn't always mean the most famous person wins. Surprisingly, this actually was true this year.

That said, I am not a Kanye fan, but my husband was listening to My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy in the car the other day and I was blown away by its complexity and brilliance. Even if Kanya seems like kind of a jerk, I would totally be able to support that winning best album next year.
09:08 AM on 02/23/2011
Canada has been putting up with this kind of crap from the pinheads south of the border for decades.
Nothing new here!
11:49 AM on 02/23/2011
Exactly. Exhibit A: Rush.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
rickthaluddite
What noisy cats are we
11:12 PM on 02/23/2011
Exhibits B: and C: The Tragically Hip and Sloan
07:58 AM on 02/23/2011
No problem with their win. My problem with the Grammies has ALWAYS been, that most of the older Grmmy voters seem to not realize that there are newer groups out there....So we are continually subjected to U2, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen etc... every year. We get it, they were great when you were in High Schooll...now enough...Then of course you have the other side, when a no name got nominated and the Grammies trumped that fact...until it turned out she was the girlfriend of one of the judges. So frankly, I have no problem with some Canadian Group that I've never heard of if they legitimately put out a good CD, it would be a change.
11:56 AM on 02/23/2011
I agree- as they were going over the 'Best New Artist' nominees, my husband was looking them all up online and they had all been putting out albums since 2006 or 2007. Or 30 Seconds to Mars winning with a new 'live version' of an old and very popular song (can anyone say 'marketing ploy to regenerate interest in their career to coincide with new material coming out?) On the other hand it was great to hear bands like Mumford and Sons (a fave of mine!) get some attention and hopefully some new fans. And instead of whining and acting like psychopaths, maybe little Justin Beiber fans could be happy that such a talented young girl as Esperanza won and check out some jazz for a change? But that might be too much to ask for!
07:25 AM on 02/23/2011
Bought the CD this weekend. It's great. Thanks to the Grammy's for introducing me to someone worth listening to.
photo
thereisonlyoneparty
more amazing than you
09:30 AM on 02/23/2011
If you want to hear a better album check out the second release by the band entitled Neon Bible.  It is a much better album (which should have received recognition a few years back).  Even Funeral (the first album) is better than The Suburbs.
photo
HUFFPOST BLOGGER
Phil West
10:10 AM on 02/23/2011
Funeral's the best of them all, I think.
11:58 AM on 02/23/2011
I agree with Phil- Funeral is their best album :)
05:00 AM on 02/23/2011
Arcade Fire deserved to win.

Some of the furore over the award is laughable and wouldnt have happened in other countries.
04:09 AM on 02/23/2011
"For those alienated by the Arcade Fire's win, it strangely feels like last year's public outcry about Obamacare. The whole package was met with a wariness that this was somehow too big and too Canadian."

HA!
03:26 AM on 02/23/2011
America doesn't hate Arcade Fire. America is discovering Arcade Fire. WOW. Palladia's past Friday night loop of the Spain and Ireland shows said it all. I burned my brother's The Suburbs CD a few months ago after reading a review of the band. It lingered in the car CD player. . . la-dee-da. . .a little Rush, a little My Morning Jacket, a little Arcade Fire. . . and, like so many classic CDs do, it GREW like a vine around my brain. I love this band. From a long-standing guitar-player's perspective, let me repeat: I love this band. They pulled it all together, with passion and melody and guts, on The Suburbs, better than any band has in a single CD for a LONG ASS TIME. Eminem. Lady Gaga (who has a wonderful voice, don't get me wrong). Katy Perry. Lady Gaga. . .oops Antellbellum. Give me a break. THIS BAND deserved THAT AWARD. PS Healthcare had nothing to do with it. And yeah, Metallica got screwed in '89. And I have ordered a T-shirt, and the original CD, to pay the band their due.
11:59 AM on 02/23/2011
I think the healthcare thing was just a self-deprecating Canada joke, Russnet ;)
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
NonCon
Musician and gonzo coder
03:13 AM on 02/23/2011
Arcade Fire deserved the Grammy. Their music is interesting and eminently listenable. Nothing wrong with that choice. Anything that expands our boundaries is good! HipHop is all good and makes people dance, but doesn't make them think so much anymore, Arcade Fire fills that niche very well.
08:10 AM on 02/23/2011
Couldn't have said that better myself. Arcade Fire earned the Grammy, which is a rare event these days. With so few bands out there that actually produce material with quality and depth, the people would be foolish not to support groups like these.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
guitarguy22
02:18 AM on 02/23/2011
Very good article. The point Stoute makes is even more ironic because for the first time in maybe 10 years, The Grammys actually did recognize excellence in music by awarding Arcade Fire album of the year. Because like you said, they CLEARLY deserved it. Eminem is a bankable name, but Recovery wasn't his best album to date. Lady Antebellum doesn't have as much mainstream popularity to be a serious contender, and Lady Gaga and Katy Perry's albums might as well have been the same album. AF were clearly the best in 2010.
photo
thereisonlyoneparty
more amazing than you
09:35 AM on 02/23/2011
It clearly does not matter if it is the artist's best album.  The Suburbs is not great by Arcade Fire standards, but it managed to win.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
guitarguy22
03:01 PM on 02/23/2011
I know it doesn't matter if the album was the artists' best. However I'm wondering how Eminem or Katy Perry even got considered in the first place. There are artists within their genres that made much better music in 2010 than they did...they're just the most recognizable names within the genres. I'm not pretending that The Suburbs was AF's best album, but it's certainly their biggest one with a focus. While most everyone else were just putting out tracks to fill a record, AF produced an album that was truly ARTISTIC.
photo
thereisonlyoneparty
more amazing than you
02:04 AM on 02/23/2011
I do not hate the band.  I actually really like Arcade Fire.  I have liked them since just after Funeral.

The problem is that The Suburbs was not better than GaGa's The Fame Monster.  It was better than Recovery.  I am not sure about the other albums.

That was the problem.  Yeah, it is nice for Arcade Fire to get recognition.  But their worst album is not better than GaGa's better album.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
guitarguy22
02:24 AM on 02/23/2011
I'm not so sure. Stylistically and lyrically, GaGa didn't change too much from her first album. Wasn't much growth there. Plus it was only 8 songs...Arcade Fire wrote a semi-concept album that was epic in scope and intimate in sound. As far as overall albums go, I think AF deservedly won this battle. GaGa had some radio-friendly singles, but on the whole her album wasn't amazing. Basically more of the same.
photo
thereisonlyoneparty
more amazing than you
09:33 AM on 02/23/2011
So was The Suburbs.  Only it was less.

It is nice to have more Arcade Fire, but GaGa does more and did more on her album.  Had Funeral or Neon Bible won best album I would not complain as much, but The Suburbs was not the album of the year.
01:14 AM on 02/23/2011
For once a real band who can write their own songs and play actual instruments deservedl
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
guitarguy22
02:15 AM on 02/23/2011
fanned and faved
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Cole 33
If someone asks if you're a God, you, say, YES!
11:57 PM on 02/22/2011
The Letter from Stoute is a perfect example of why the music industry has become an assembly line of Mcdonalds cheese-burger music, it's quick, it's easy, it's not very good but does a great job of faking out your taste buds. Thanks for the article Mr. West, and for pointing me to Stoutes eye opening letter

When i read this

"How is it possible that in 2001 The Marshall Mathers LP -- an album by Eminem that ushered in the Bob Dylan of our time"

Now that has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard about music. The fact that he would put Eminem in the same musical or cultural galaxy as Bob Dylan really tells you everything you need to know about the state of the music industry.

Stoute goes on to state that money, sales as his main reason for why others shod have won, but we have that awards show, isn't it called the Billboard awards? i always thought the Grammys were SUPPOSED to be about music, composition, artistry.....

I have listened to arcade fire for years, and they deserve the win, because they really do arrange and compose music, like Esperanza Spalding, what ti looks like, how it markets, how it sells isn't in the equation when they are making music, and with there company music is an after thought to the marketing.

MTV killed music, it made it more important to look good than to sound good.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
guitarguy22
02:19 AM on 02/23/2011
Cole 33, you might be my new best friend. Agreed with everything here.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Parade Keegan
I Can Hear You
07:44 AM on 02/23/2011
I love Arcade Fire, who's Justin Beiber!
photo
dmgoss
Sapere Aude
09:41 PM on 02/22/2011
Every time I hear Arcade Fire I get distracted trying to locate the Pixies song they're mining.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
cameron d
Don't blame me, I voted Smitherman.
10:57 PM on 02/22/2011
Wow, way off. If you were going to claim that Arcade Fire was borrowing from a group it would be one like The Pogues or Neutral Milk Hotel. It's not like Win screams like Black Francis or they use the quiet/LOUD/quiet structure that The Pixies perfected.

Nice try though.
11:33 PM on 02/22/2011
I'm going to go ahead and assume you've only heard the only song they've got that sounds like the Pixies.