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What Would a Chernobyl or Fukushima Disaster at Indian Point Mean?

Posted: 04/26/11 04:48 PM ET

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Twenty-five years ago the Chernobyl nuclear power plant exploded, sending plumes of radiation around the planet and devastating the area surrounding the plant to this day. The world learned firsthand then about the dangers of nuclear power. Today, the ongoing nuclear disaster at Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant is a tragic reminder of the threat that nuclear plants pose to nearby communities and the environment. Yet many in Washington appear so captured by the nuclear industry that they are still seeking to run old nuclear reactors longer and harder than ever before, and still trying to subsidize the nuclear industry so it can build new reactors. Will it take a Chernobyl or a Fukushima on US soil before our lawmakers understand that nuclear power is unnecessary, dangerous and expensive?

Despite the spin from the nuclear industry, the truth is that every nuclear reactor has the potential for a Chernobyl-scale release of radiation. Can we imagine what a catastrophe would look like at one of the 104 nuclear reactors in the United States? 1 in 3 Americans live within 50 miles of a nuclear plant, and many plants threaten major cities. More than 17 million people live within 50 miles of New York's Indian Point, an old nuclear plant in an active seismic zone north of New York City. What would happen in New York City if an earthquake, terrorist attack, or accident led to a catastrophic release of radiation?


We don't have to live with this threat. Instead of allowing these old reactors to run decades beyond their licensed life spans, we should be shutting them down. Instead of wasting taxpayer dollars to subsidize the construction of new nuclear reactors, we should be investing in safe solutions like renewable energy and energy efficiency. These technologies are ready now - in the last four years, 30,000 megawatts of wind and solar power have been built in the United States, and 0 megawatts of new nuclear power. Our global energy scenario shows that we truly can meet our energy needs and phase out nuclear and coal power. Let's take the lessons from Chernobyl and Fukushima to heart, and phase out nuclear power before the next catastrophe.

 

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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Malcolm Hensley
Last of the Reagan Republicans
12:11 PM on 04/28/2011
That's what we need more NIMBY greens!

Don't know if you noticed but by 2030 there will be more nuclear power plants in fast developing nations than in industrial nations!

But the industrial nations have not set standards for disposal of nuclear waste because of the Greens objection to any disposable methods!

The Greens are willing to force us all over the edge to prove a point!

Being right is more important to you guys than the environment!
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
11:17 PM on 04/29/2011
You are blaming, claiming that just because they don't your waste and contamination near them they are "greens"

You are hating Americans.  And it is posters like you, specifically, why I have become intensely anti-nuclear.
AllAmericanAmericanBoy
Fate is a cruel snake with bitter herbs and spices
02:16 AM on 04/30/2011
I'd be perfectly willing to let them store it all in your back yard, and if they need more space, I'd volunteer your front yard too. By that time, I'm sure they would have evacuated your neighborhood, so there's the basement and your neighbors yards for expansion. Your socialist vision so easily realized.
12:57 PM on 04/27/2011
Suggestion: Liability Lawsuits against original manufacturers of Nuclear Plant equipment to pay for decomissioning nuclear plants built with their equipment. And might as well include companies that ran or are running nuclear plants.

Perhaps one reason why there is no rush to close plants....?
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
11:57 PM on 04/29/2011
When the plants were built they were supposed to escrow money into a sinking fund so that when the reactor pressure vessel expired, the sinking fund would have all the cash required to decommission the plant.

And the pressure vessel does expire.  The steel used in the construction of the pressure vessel and the plumbing attached to it suffers impact damage from the neutron radiation produced in the fuel rods.  This radiation damage causes "embrittlement", the steel loses flexibility and temper.  It gets brittle and cracking related to this is a problem, even before reactors reach their expiration date. Depending on the type of reactor, thickness of steel, etc... The engineers determined how long a plant could meet the designed risk (they are not safe) specifications in operation.

And once they get there, they are even riskier to operate.  A sudden change in temperature, pressure, or a physical shock from an earthquake, etc... Can cause the pressure vessel and/or connected plumbing to fail.

Back to the sinking fund...  Costs of operation were higher than expected, cost of decommissioning is higher than expected, and not all plant operators made the payments they were supposed to... If you asked them to show the money, most will come up far short of reality.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
12:12 AM on 04/30/2011
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0107/odette-0107.html

Excellent technical paper on reactor pressure vessel embrittlement.  The NRC had an even better one but it was pulled from their site shortly after Fukushima exploded... . .
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Sock De Jour
Democracy is an illusion
11:48 AM on 04/27/2011
Huge solar storms are predicted next year from NASA and NOAA. They can wipe out entire power grids. As soon as the generators fail, it's all over.
http://www.space.com/10906-space-storms-threat.html
http://www.solar-storm-warning.com/

Do you think the back-up generators are going to save you? Think again.
http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-info-on-japan-nuclearobama-invites-tokyo-electric-to-build-us-nukes-with-taxpayer-funds/

Politicians and industry are putting people's lives at risk because they don't care. They have a "stick your head in the sand" attitude, and time and time again they refuse to factor in or anticipate any type of malfunction or disaster. Every man made disaster, even ones that stem from natural disasters preceding them, can and should be predicted. It's only prudent when you're dealing with such a deadly and long lasting force as radioactive matter from fission products.

Taxpayers should not be forced via government to fund and insure these plants, and then take all the risk when something goes wrong. It's outrageous that this has been accepted and is still being accepted by the population at large.

The nuclear overseers are fake agencies funded and controlled by nuclear power industry.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/04/nuclear-regulators-are-fake-agencies.html

There is no safe level of exposure to radionuclides from fission products. None.
http://www.nirs.org/press/06-30-2005/1
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rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
11:37 PM on 04/29/2011
Do you think the back-up generators are going to save you? Think again.

From your link:


Back in the day, when we checked the emergency back-up diesels in America, a mind-blowing number flunked.  At the New York nuke, for example, the builders swore under oath that their three diesel engines were ready for an emergency. They'd been tested.  The tests were faked, the diesels run for just a short time at low speed.  When the diesels were put through a real test under emergency-like conditions, the crankshaft on the first one snapped in about an hour, then the second and third.  We nicknamed the diesels, "Snap, Crackle and Pop."
12:22 AM on 04/27/2011
How is it Japan manages to contaminate its own country and likely many countries in the Northern Hemisphere or Sony unsecurely stores 77 million peoples information that gets hacked...and no one goes to jail? The hacker would go to jail. Dirty bombers would go to jail. Or U.S. banks commit vast mortgage and derivatives fraud and no one goes to jail. How does that happen?
12:17 AM on 04/27/2011
TO the very southern tip of Manhattan is what would happen...ecompassed in the inner circle of a CHernobyl contamination map.

Not new news.

No one cares enough to do anything. You will all die...sooner or later.