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In Defense of Religious Moderates


Moderation seems to be under attack.

This attack is clear in the realm of politics, as each party flees to the ideological extremes, claiming that compromise with the other is a dereliction of duty and principle, and that moderation is a weak and indecisive position. A good case can also be made that the aversion to moderation was the basis for the recent financial collapse. The lure of the extremes is not a new phenomenon to be sure, but our economic and political systems have historically been self-correcting, ensuring that extremism does not take hold of us for long, and moderation usually prevails. This elasticity and natural balancing is the genius and gift of America.

The attack on moderation has also not spared religion. I've witnessed this first hand in many responses to my blogs, in which I usually attempt to portray faith in a way that is reconciled with science and reason. In response to my last blog, "Can the Existence of God Ever be Proven?" for example, one person wrote: "You religious moderates claim to stand for equality, but you really stand for nothing. At least the fundamentalists follow their actual religion and take its teachings seriously. A religious moderate makes no sense because all religions profess to contain absolute but conflicting truths. Moderates also tell us that no one can criticize their religion because, after all, it's a free choice, and none are better than the other."

This viewpoint sets up a no-win situation for religions, positing that one is either an authentic extremist or a phony moderate, while condemning religion because of its extremism. The only conclusion, then, is that religion must go. Of course, this writer's position itself is an extremist one, making no room whatsoever for compromise or moderation.

This attack on moderation is not surprising, really, because we do seem to like extremes. In them we can find clarity, strength, the sense of being right and righteous, a common community of those who agree with us and a common enemy who is absolutely wrong. Extremist positions are also attractive because they indulge our laziness; we don't need to critically examining our position or search for the higher ground that embraces and transcends both extremes. It is inevitable, then, that religious moderation would come under attack. Beyond the dangers in the rejection of moderation, though, this attack on religious moderates is factually wrong, and stems from shallow assumptions and a profound lack of knowledge about how religions actually operate. Of course there are positions in which moderation is impossible -- one can not be a moderate Nazi -- but is this really true of religion? Let's look at the popular attacks on religious moderates and examine the factual basis of each:

1. Moderates are not practicing their "true" faith.

Critics often state that religion is inherently extremist and dangerous because all religions make absolute truth claims based on the belief in literal infallible scriptures, whose texts contain blatant historical inaccuracies and demand fanatical actions -- like stoning wayward sons, burning witches and destroying the un-believer -- and that moderates either don't know or conveniently ignore these true doctrines of the faith. The truth that the critics of religion so often seem to miss is that even the most orthodox branches of religions are not (and can not) be based on the literal reading of ancient scriptures and never were, but that all religions are necessarily interpretive and layered. No Jew, for example, lives by the strict word of the Torah (and none could), but instead lives in accordance with the myriad interpretations and refinements that continue to this day. This is the process that underlies all religious understanding and practice. Religions, like all systems, evolve and expand with new insights, and to meet the changing needs of their followers. This is not a concession, but is the process itself, and stems from the investigations and debates of theology, much as technology advances through the progress of theoretical science.

As I was working on this blog I came across a very well written explanation of this process from a 1953 paper by Professor C.D. Broad (who was not a religious man) of Cambridge University. He wrote, "If the primitive witch-smeller is the spiritual progenitor of the Archbishop of Canterbury, the primitive rain-maker is equally the spiritual progenitor of the Cavendish Professor of Physics. There has obviously been a gradual refinement and purification of religious beliefs and concepts in the course of history just as there has been in the beliefs and concepts in science."

2. Moderates give "cover" to extremists by blunting the ability of outsiders to criticize their religion.

The claim here is that moderates create a smokescreen that both obscures and protects extremists. This too is not historically accurate. Religious moderates have actually been the loudest voices condemning extremism within their own religion. This began with the ancient Prophets, who railed against the empty ritualized practices of their day and urged their people instead toward compassion and charity. The critical voices of the Prophets are deliberately included in the Bible to continually remind us of this truth, and to be a moderating force against fundamentalism. For example, the Prophet Isaiah proclaimed, "Hear the word of God. What need do I have of your ritual sacrifices? I have no delight in lambs and goats that you bring before me. ... Cease to do wrong! Devote yourselves to social justice. Aid the wronged. Uphold the rights of the orphan. Defend the cause of the widow." This is a direct criticism of the extremism of the day, demanding change and moderation.

All the great spiritual leaders, from Buddha to Jesus, Philo, Maimonides, Thomas Aquinas, Francis of Assisi, Moses Mendelssohn, Karl Barth and Teilhard de Chardin, were moderates and reformers who criticized their own faiths. Instead of deflecting criticism, these moderates in fact welcomed and encouraged others to help their religion grow. Though some were condemned by the religious establishment of the day, their prophetic messages later became incorporated in to their faith.

3. Moderates are uninformed about the teachings and scriptures of their own religion.

People are often moderates because they did read the material, and know that there is a wide range of nuance and subtlety, that the core teachings of their faith are not literal, and that the deepest religious insights are in no way at odds with reason and science, or often with the deepest insights of other faiths. Although I do not have any hard statistics to back up this claim, anecdotal experience has shown me that the most informed members of a religion are not the fundamentalists, who may simply know what their fanatical or charismatic leader has told them -- who may actually discourage his followers from exploring the teachings on their own for fear they will discover that they are being misled. And, as mentioned earlier, the great religious reformers, who were the moderates of their day, were usually the most knowledgeable about their faith. (Yes, I did see the study which showed that atheists know more about religion that most religious folks. Perhaps this a topic for a future blog.)

One of the most eminent modern scholars of Judaism, Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik, noted, "All extremism, fanaticism and obscurantism come from a lack of security," concluding simply: "A person who is secure cannot be an extremist." Soloveitchik was deeply knowledgeable about his religion, and he was a moderate. He knew that one with a secure base of knowledge would never be an extremist and that extremism stems from incomplete or distorted information.

Like our political system, religion is also elastic and naturally balancing and seeks the middle path. Right in the very middle of the Five Books of Moses can be found this imperative: "Love your neighbor as yourself." It is not a coincidence that it is the middle, because the core teachings of all great religions is the middle path, drawing us to humility and telling us that what matters most is not how well we follow any specific doctrine or scripture but how we treat each other. Religious moderates represent this middle path between literal interpretation of scripture and arrogant or ignorant dismissal, between absolute truth claims and the dead-end of complete subjectivity, between blind adherence to tradition and uncritical adoption of transient fashion, and between the erroneous either/or choice of faith or reason. In this way, moderation is the true religious stance, and extremism, as a rejection of moderation, is a distortion.

 
 
 
 
 
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04:45 AM on 01/08/2011
Golden Mean Fallacy, Fallacy of Moderation

If one position is argued to be superior solely because it is in the middle then this is the logical fallacy of Argument to Moderation.

Thanks to Caru for url:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoldenMeanFallacy
04:19 PM on 01/05/2011
I personally believe we need some stories in the Huffington religious section that shares the reality that often "Chrisitan radicals" are very far away from the teachings of Love your neighbor, love your enemy, minister to the poor and widows that Jesus himself professed...who by the way was an immigrant in Egypt for a period of time.

Just whose teachings do these "Right-wing Christian radicals" REALLY follow? I want to know.
08:03 PM on 01/04/2011
As a devoutly Roman Catholic moderate, I think this is a brilliant post. I am tired of people telling me I don't know my religion, because I don't act like a radical fundamentalist.

As a Catholic, it is perfectly acceptable (and better) for me;
to believe in Evolution
be against abortion and the death penalty
understand that the bible is not to be taken literally
disagree with gay people's lifestyle choices, but still love them and treat them as anyone else
understand that homosexuality is not a choice
be against fornication because I understand the consequences
not condemn others for their choices
choose not to use artificial means of birth control, but not condemn others for it
encourage others in their faith, even if it is not the same as mine

I could go no, but I'm running low on characters. Basically, my point is, I'm not crazy, I don't hate people, and try to emulate Christ. We are all called to be saints. I truly take to heart Gandhi's quote "...you Christians are so unlike your Christ" as a sentiment I must change
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Dan Jighter
05:41 AM on 01/06/2011
Your a moderate?! Oh you may not read the Bible literally and you may accept Evolution, but you are still an extremist. You "disagree with gay people's lifestyle choices"?! I'm sorry, that's bigotry and hatred, not love. Your opposition to "gay people's lifestyle choices", "fornicatio­n", personal use of "artificial means of birth control" and such is itself extreme. When I talk about religious moderates, I don't mean someone with your radical ideas about human sexuality. I mean my friends and family who are accepting of homosexuality (or at least try very hard to be) and use contraception and insist I do the same.

I have to wonder even about your belief in Evolution, one of the very few sensible things you listed - do you accept the scientific version or the Christian version where God was somehow involved? The scientific theory of evolution makes no mention of gods and a personal god's involvement in evolution is contrary to the evidence.
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JustMeinNJ
12:45 AM on 02/17/2011
I don't think it's extreme. I am a "bad" Catholic myself - who believes a woman has the right to choose, pre-marital sex, gay marriage, birth control.
He accepts and loves the people. We are all God's children. That's why he is not extreme. He is opposed to certain actions - not people. Nothing radical.
01:22 AM on 02/17/2011
Sorry I'm getting back to this late, but this is not extreme, what's extreme, is your reaction to my mere disapproval of such actions. I have every right to do so and will not be guided by your insistence that my decision to stick to the centuries old morality of my faith, that has been backed up by MODERN psychology and science. Listen, sex BEFORE making a commitment is a bad idea, because of the many hormones that release that essential bind you to the other person. Sex has a tendency to blind you to the many flaws of the other person. It is often when you cut out the sex that you will see them for what they truly are, and if they love you, they'll be willing to wait anyway. Homosexual actions are wrong, because we all know that certain body parts, as well as objects, aren't meant to go certain places. Lets be real about this, common sense says that a certain male part is supposed to go into a certain female part, and to do otherwise would pervert the act to some degree. I think the Church is a little harsh on birth control, but understand that it is because the act should be unbroken if you will. My ideas are not at all radical in the course of human history, your ideas are. There is a reason the whole free love movement failed.

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10:10 AM on 01/04/2011
Religious moderates sowed the wind. Now they're reaping the whirlwind. Far too often moderate religious leaders have chosen to be silent while extremists did their dirty work. On issues such as abortion and "creation science", moderate church leaders stood silent while fundamentalists took over one school board after another and forced antiscient­ific nonsense into school books, and when they camped outside abortion clinics and intimidate­d women seeking this legal procedure. When evangelist­s spread anti-condo­m messages in AIDS-torn Africa, the moderates did nothing. How many moderate Imams have made a big deal about their faith being one of peace, but allowed hatemonger­s to preach sermons advocating violence in their mosques, or been conspicuou­sly silent in the wake of terrorist attacks on women and children? Rabbi Lurie even has to admit that many of the great religious figures were condemned by religious moderates of the day.

I have yet to hear loud, unrelentin­g condemnati­on of fundamenta­lism by religious moderates, nor have I seen measures to de-fund and ostracize extremists­. Until I see tangible efforts in that direction, I'm going to assume moderates are still letting violent extremists serve as shock troops to further what they see as common goals­. I think most of them would be quite comfortabl­e with a theocracy, assuming their flavour of foolishnes­s was the one in charge.
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09:25 AM on 01/03/2011
"-- one can not be a moderate Nazi --"

I think most NAZIs followed the herd, or what they perceived as the prevailing order. Same with most "moderate religious". The majority don't think very deeply about it; they just fit in.
08:14 AM on 01/03/2011
"All things in moderation," including moderation.
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08:40 PM on 01/02/2011
Good article ... People demonize Christianity on this site. I've strayed from the institute of religion and developed my own relationship with God. I understand why atheist demonize Christianity but i argue that their perspective is very flawed. They say that we should rid the world of religion but they refuse to acknowledge that religion is not man's problem. Man's problem is something that he is born with. Man is greedy and narcissistic. He is the aforementioned in the secular world and the none-secular world. Greed is the rot that ruins every good principle and ideology. I have not the slightest problem with Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or Buddhism. They have their flaws but i blame the falter of these religions on man and not the religion. If science was the leading word on everyone's life I GUARANTEE you that it would be abused such as religion. I think we turn a blind eye to this.
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12:02 AM on 01/03/2011
I enjoyed reading your comment!
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CodyGirl
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11:52 AM on 01/03/2011
Thanks for your intelligent words.
08:21 PM on 01/01/2011
"Religious moderates represent this middle path between literal interpretation of scripture and arrogant or ignorant dismissal, between absolute truth claims and the dead-end of complete subjectivity..."

What about informed educated dismissal?

DanJ is correct; before discussing the merits of the number of angels on a pin-head, perhaps a more pertinent starting point is to ask if angels even exist.

Baring the discovery of stone or gold tablets written by god's finger, magical glasses, burning bushes, or the flying zombie (good one JohnFromCen), then ALL that Abrahamic religions can offer are obvious patently false "absolute truth claims AND the dead-end of complete subjectivity," the epistemology of received knowledge.

There is nothing to show that the bible/torah was written other than by, or contains knowledge that exceeds the technology of 1st century desert goat herders.

Recognizing this, the value of historical moralism as a valuable topic of discourse is debatable.
04:31 PM on 01/03/2011
ToniQ, Angels exist. They are 'messengers', so we both have 'heard' them whisper or stimulate us to hunches. They are 'pure' and have not yet entered the cycle of human bodies, but some day they must. The angels which are called 'devas' have their own hierarchy, from gnomes, elves, sprites, the equivalent of humans, greater than humans, etc. They handle energy-force and have no 'heart'. 'Anger, Madness, and the Daimonic, Diamond,' is about 'angels' in literature and 'in' people, making them manic, etc. He gives the example of Capt. Ahab, who was 'possessed' by a driving 'force' to kill Moby Dick--he went after it with no 'heart' at all, resulting in the death of all. The Whale is our inner 'animal', which is what is nurtured by devas-angels. Can't safely contact devas until the third eye is developed.
04:34 PM on 01/03/2011
re Torah is much more than 1st century goat herders. The masters of wisdom settled around Bokhara 6000 BC, and their oral teachings were written down about 600 BC. See the books by Suares, I'll get the reference. He found a code, long before computers. He even makes sense of the Song of Songs. Basically, religion is for the masses; the Torah says the real job is raising the failed 'Alephs' left behind by long-dead folks who failed to grow their soul. The Jews got many of their ideas from the Egyptians. The same concept in found in Lemesurier, The Great Pyramid--the Sub. Chamber is a sea, and on the floor of the sea are 'stones' (‘fires’, Alephs, Tarot Key 0) that have 'drowned' (in angels-devas, 'water', by the way), which must be 'lifted up' by those who have grown their souls. These aren't living people, but the original sparks, Alephs, that people failed to use. The same teaching is found in Gurdjieff, and is taught esoterically by the Sufis of the Middle East—we are animals, like sheep, that exist to be ‘sheared’. If you 'pay your debt' by age 28, then you are free to try to grow your soul. See, in Lemesurier, Your Personal Guide, age 28 is entrance to the Great Gallery expansion.
03:04 AM on 01/04/2011
Prior, the inner whisperings were believed to be direct messages from god, god whispering apparently has devolved to angel whispering, today we call this thought, and some have taken a little step further and observed thoughts think us, and just a little bit step further, thoughts don't have to CONTROL us.

Thank you for the brief history lesson, I'm sure xians will appreciate that you pointed out their sacred whale/angel stories originate in ancient Egyptian mythological periods.

Enûma Eliš is also very interesting for its practically word for word plagiarism by Genesis authorS, but the topic of this article is the defensibility of the duplet "Religious Moderate."

If you were addressing the topic of this thread, perhaps you could decode the Egyptian/Tarot/Sufis/Gurdjieff?
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04:25 PM on 01/01/2011
The word "moderate" implies lukewarm or impartial. Perhaps a better word would be "inclusive" which implies being secure. "Moderate" to me sounds like "whatever"...which really isn't what he is trying to say.
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Dan Jighter
05:14 PM on 01/01/2011
"Moderate" often means in the middle of two extreme positions. As in taking a middle ground. One could take a middle ground position with conviction and not be lukewarm or impartial. As far as I can tell, anti-theists use the term "religious moderate" primarily to distinguish from Fundies. In any case, I think the notion is more like Fundamentalists vs other religious folk. (Strictly Christians are Fundamentalists, not Muslims, but something like this is the right term.) The issue is the literal interpretation vs other interpretations, not exclusive vs inclusive.
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05:27 PM on 01/01/2011
I think 'tolerant' describes it but is no better than "inclusive".
If Intolerant and biggoted describes "Right Wing" Chrisians, and Moderate describes 'inclusive , tolerant'Christians. IF 'moderate' denotes middle of the road. Who are 'Left Wing' Christians ?
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merrymay
08:08 AM on 01/02/2011
People like me with a desire to see America be one nation rallying around all, instead of twenty cultures, suspicious and scowling at each other.
03:27 PM on 01/01/2011
This article attempts to replace the term "religious belief" with the word "moderate," implying that this new "moderate position" ipso facto is reasonable and rational.

Claiming to be a religious moderate does not contradict the fact that religious belief is irrational by definition.
04:51 PM on 01/03/2011
ToniQ, I've worked with irrational folks for 40 years, and perhaps I've been 'infected', but schizophrenics have 'seen' something the rational moderates deny. We are in the majority, so 'they' are labeled 'crazy'. Hopefully, as you age gracefully, you won't be so afraid of being 'eccentric', as the English label their happy, irrational folks.
03:19 AM on 01/04/2011
gcarl - "Hopefully, as you age gracefully­, you won't be so afraid of being 'eccentric..."

Was that meant an insult? Ouch! :(

You've labeled me rightly, and i embrace my eccentricity proudly. When i mentioned my concern, my mentor said to me, "It's ok for the schizofrits to go crazy."
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ascanius002
01:50 PM on 01/01/2011
God is man's greatest foolishness.
05:48 PM on 01/01/2011
It's a tie between that, war, and debt based economy.
02:13 AM on 01/03/2011
And Keanu Reeves, Jean-Claude Van Damme, and the people responsible for "Scary Movie" and all of its progreny still having careers.
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Dan Jighter
12:45 PM on 01/01/2011
The ugliest part of this blog of Alan Lurie is that it framed things as moderate vs extremist. As if I judge people purely for being a moderate. I don't, I really don't. I judge the merits of your view and its support. I would appreciate it if likewise Lurie and his fellow moderates would judge me and my fellow "extremists" not purely for being extreme, but on the content of our views.
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Dan Jighter
02:44 PM on 01/01/2011
CodyGirl, my point in accepting the charge of "extremist" is to point out that you shouldn't criticizes me on the ad hominem of being "extreme" but on the merits of my view. I wouldn't treat you any different.

I suppose what makes me "extreme" is the very fact that I'm an atheist. Atheism is outside the mainstream of society, is it not? I guess all atheism is extreme. Though, being outspoken about atheism and critical of theism is taken as more extreme than being sort of quietly about one's atheist. That said, I don't think my disbelief in God is any more extreme than any other atheist's.

Like with gay marriage, I am extreme there too. I think gay marriage should be legal, end of story. But I am not an extremist relative to moderate supporters of gay marriage. Rather I am extreme opposed to those supporting gay marriage.

Why should I not be noisy and advocate my position? Why should I seek "higher ground" and consensus? Sometimes moderation is good, sometimes it isn't and sticking by an extreme position is better. I have no problem with moderation, though I strongly disdain the view that moderation is necessarily more virtuous than extremism.
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CodyGirl
Truth is worth pursuing.
03:09 PM on 01/01/2011
I think that you have misunderstood the meaning of an ad hominem argument. It means an attack on the person's character, etc. rather than addressing their arguments. My understanding of Rabbi Lurie's intent in this blog is to explain what religious moderates think & believe to counter the straw man arguments of many atheists who attack literalism & literal interpretations of scripture as if they are representative of "religion" when they do not. What I don't understand is what you mean by being "critical of theism" without making an ad hominem argument that believers are "illogical" or "irrational" or "deluded." This is the "noise" I am talking about. I wonder if it is possible to have a conservation as peers, meaning that we don't attribute insanity or evil motives to each other as a way of trying to make a point. Let me give an example. You & other atheists make the claim that "There is no evidence that God exists." This is an ideological assertion, not a fact. You then take the argument to the next step: "So, if you believe there is a God, you are illogical, irrational & delusional." I would like to see atheists have the honesty say this: "There is no evidence of God that I find convincing." This I can accept & it can become a point of departure for a dialogue among peers.
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CodyGirl
Truth is worth pursuing.
03:23 PM on 01/02/2011
Dan, you claim that you do not approve of ad hominem arguments, yet your last post to me of 13:57 was full of ad hominem attacks. I have sincerely tried to conduct a discussion based on the type of "moderation" that R. Lurie calls for in his blog. For me, a moderate view or discussion of "evidence" of God's existence requires rejecting an absolute statement about what is or is not evidence. I thought that you had done this & in fact, objected to the term absolutism to characterize your position. Let's try this another way: I looked up a dictionary definition of evidence: 1. "a ground for belief; that which tends to prove or disprove something: proof. ...3. Law: data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue & which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents or objects; information furnished in a legal investigation to a contention." The dictionary says that "proof is evidence that is so complete & convincing as to put a conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt." I have said repeatedly that I cannot prove God's existence but there is ample evidence of God's existence. What evidence that I have presented does not meet these definitions of the term? If you don't like this dictionary definition, give me one of your own.
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Dan Jighter
02:52 PM on 01/01/2011
Also to CodyGirl: "Belief in scripture & in religion is not just a "view" as you say but an intricate system of beliefs based on logic & reason as well as on faith in the unknowable mysteries of the natural world & the human soul."

Me thinks you are hiding irrationality (in particular faith) behind intricacy and mixing it with logic & reason. If you are talking about "faith in the unknowable mysteries", this is not logic nor reason. Also, we don't move on to discussing the intricacies and logic of Christianity if God does not exist and Jesus is not my Savior. We only move onto the fine details if it's true and justified.

"If you wish to debate the "merits" of religious teachings & theology..."
I don't. The merits of the religion itself is undermined by the lack of evidence for God. There is no need to move onto religious teachings and theology. The religion is baseless and irrational, end of story.

"...but it is not for you to judge the "merits" of someone else's beliefs."
Why not? If I believed the Earth was flat and Elvis lives, you'd judge that. Why does your religion get a special pass? This is just special pleading and originates in the Protestant doctrines, I don't necessarily need to follow such non-judgment. In fact, I think I should judge the merits of others' beliefs.
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CodyGirl
Truth is worth pursuing.
03:22 PM on 01/01/2011
Are you judging the "merit of others' beliefs" or the merit of what you believe to be the reasoning behind another person's beliefs? To me, to judge the merits of someone's belief requires a knowledge & understanding of how that person acts on their beliefs since it is impossible for me to see into someone's head & heart to know how they arrived at their beliefs (or non-beliefs, which are really beliefs). Does the person act rationally, morally, lovingly, intelligently, cooperatively in a community based on their beliefs? Does s/he live a life that is enriched & enhanced by or diminished or harmed by his/her beliefs? Have you ever heard the phrase "stinkin' thinkin' for example? It refers to a belief system that gets someone into a lot of trouble in their lives because it is full of rationalization & denial of the cause & effect relationships between what one does & the consequences. My Christianity greatly enriches & enhances my life. I do not accept anyone else's judgment of its "merit" either for me or for those who strive to live up to its teachings.
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Dan Jighter
04:04 PM on 01/01/2011
To CodyGirl: "Are you judging the "merit of others' beliefs" or the merit of what you believe to be the reasoning behind another person's beliefs?"
This in a sense is a distinction without a difference. I am only interested in whether a belief is true, not whether it is beneficial or nice to have. You might do great deed and have a good heart on a false belief, the belief is still without merit. So to me the merit of a belief lies in the support (i.e. evidence and logic) that justifies the belief.

"My Christianity greatly enriches & enhances my life."
I don't care. I only care if Christianity is true.

I hope you see that the truth of a belief is the only thing I am interested in.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
09:43 AM on 01/01/2011
Moderation is a deceptive term when used together with truth. You don't want moderate truth. You want all the truth you can get. Something that is only partially true is not true at all and it is entirely deceptive.

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09:35 AM on 01/01/2011
There is no such thing as a religious moderate. That's the biggest problem in the world.
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01:42 PM on 01/01/2011
Wouldn't anyone of any religion who believes (as in US Constitution) that everyone if free to practice and believe as they want to as long as no one is harmed. And insist on the seperation of "their " religion and "our" Government be a moderate. I believe we have many right here on HuffPo.
10:40 PM on 12/31/2010
"These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth." (Rev 3: 15)

"These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules." (Matthew 15: 8-9)

"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ." (Col. 2: 8)

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. " ( 2 Tim. 4: 3-4)
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10:26 AM on 01/01/2011
Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. (2 Peter 3)
06:05 PM on 01/01/2011
Jesus is a myth, and the Goddess is getting tiered of being left out of the picture.