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In the Tent, or Out: That is Still the J-Street Question

Posted: 05/29/11 01:07 PM ET

On May 3rd, Daniel Gordis addressed the "J-Street Leadership Mission to Israel and Palestine." The following column is based on his remarks that day.

Good morning and welcome to Jerusalem. It's a pleasure to meet with this Leadership Mission; I understand that there are some first time visitors to Israel among you, so a particular welcome to those of you who've never been here before.

Before we got seated, one member of your group conveyed a message from the Israeli Consul General in his home community. The message was that I shouldn't speak to you. As you can imagine, I received similar advice from a wide array of people after I received your invitation; but I've chosen to ignore it. As most of you know, I disagree strongly with much of what you do. But I think that we have an obligation to meet with people with whom we disagree. Given the extent of the forces aligned against Israel, seeking to delegitimize the very idea of a Jewish State, the pro-Israel camp needs a big tent. Neither Israel nor the Jewish People will survive if we work only with those with whom we agree. A big tent, by definition, means including people whom we disagree passionately, but who still share our basic goals.

Even a big tent, though, has its limits. There are things that one can say, or do, that place a person or an organization outside that tent. You know very well that there are many people who believe that J-Street is outside the tent, not in it. I'm not yet certain. That's why I'm here.

Let me begin with a basic assumption: I assume that we want the same thing. We seek two states in this region, one a thriving, Jewish, democratic Israel, and the other a thriving, non-Jewish, democratic Palestine. Of course, there are Israelis on both ends of the political spectrum who do not wish this. Some Israelis no longer believe in the importance of a Jewish State and would prefer a State "of all its citizens" between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. But as that would make Jews a minority in this country and thus end the Zionist project, I'm utterly opposed to that. There are also Israelis who still resist the idea of a Palestinian State and who would prefer to either exile millions of Palestinians or forever keep them under our thumb as non-citizens, either of which is morally obtuse. But the vast majority of Israelis, if presented with a genuine opportunity to live side by side a democratic, transparent, peaceful, de-militarized Palestine, would accept it.

So, assuming that that's what you also seek, I assume that our disagreement is about how to get there. You believe that people who are not willing to make major territorial concessions to the Palestinians right now are not serious about a two-state solution. You think that those of us who claim that we favor a two-state solution but who are not willing to give up the store at this moment are bluffing. Or we're liars. Or, at best, we're well-intentioned but misguided. But bottom line, if we're not willing now to make the concessions that you think are called for, then we're not really pursuing peace.

But that is arrogance of the worst sort. Does your distance from the conflict give you some moral clarity that we don't have? Are you smarter than we are? Are you less racist? Why do you assume with such certainty that you have a monopoly on the wisdom needed to get to the goal we both seek?

In preparing for this morning's session, I did a bit of reading of statements that you've issued on a whole array issues. One, just released, is a perfect example of the certainty and arrogance of which I'm speaking. Reacting to the most recent Fatah-Hamas agreement, this is what J-Street had to say:

"In fact, many who oppose a two-state deal have, in recent years, done so by arguing that divisions among the Palestinians make peace impossible. Obviously, reconciliation [between Fatah and Hamas] reduces that obstacle - but now skeptics of a two-state agreement have immediately stepped forward to say that a deal is impossible with a Palestinian unity government that includes Hamas."

"Obviously," you say, "reconciliation reduces the obstacle [to a peace treaty]." But I would caution you against ever using the word "obviously" when it comes to the Middle East. Nothing here is obvious. If you think that something is obvious, then you simply haven't thought enough. Why is it obvious that Fatah's signing a deal with Hamas, which rejects Israel's very right to exist, reduces obstacles to peace? Isn't it just as plausible that it makes peace impossible, or that signing a deal and returning large swathes of land to a group still sworn on our destruction would be suicidal? I suppose that reasonable minds could debate this matter, but how is it "obvious" that this is good news for peace?

And then you go on to say that "skeptics of a two-state agreement have immediately stepped forward to say that a deal is impossible with a Palestinian unity government that includes Hamas." There you go again, telling us that if we don't agree with you, then we're not serious or honest. If we think that the Fatah-Hamas deal is terrible news for peace, then we're just "skeptics of a two-state agreement." In your worldview, there's no possibility that we're just a bit more nervous than you are, that we do not want to make a mistake that will turn our own homes into Sederot, that we are frightened of restoring the horror of 2000-2004 to our streets, buses and restaurants. No, that possibility doesn't exist, because anyone who doesn't agree with you is by definition a "skeptic of the two-state agreement." I'd suggest that if you want to convince those of us still deciding whether you're part of the big tent that you are "in," that you drop this sort of condescension. It's arrogant and intellectually shallow; it doesn't serve you well.

And if you want those of us who are still unsure to become convinced that you are part of the Big Tent, then I have another piece of advice for you - recognize that not everyone can be part of the tent. There are groups who are clearly opposed to Israel's existence as a Jewish state; they are our enemies. It doesn't matter if they are in Israel or outside, or if they are Jewish or not. If they are working to end Israel, or to end it as a Jewish and democratic state, then they are our enemies, plain and simple. There are enemies who cannot be loved or compromised into submission, and you need to recognize that. The BDS [Boycott, Divest and Sanction] movement is a case in point. No one in their right mind doubts that BDS is opposed to Israel's continued existence as a Jewish State. So why were they invited to your annual conference? There need to be limits to those whom you'd welcome into your tent. You need to show us that you care about Israel more than you care about dialogue with Israel's enemies.

I still remember the first time I was struck by this tendency of yours to assail Israel when you'd been silent about what Israel's enemies were doing. It was the first day of the Gaza War at the end of 2008. Sederot had been shelled intermittently for eight years, and relentlessly in the days prior to the beginning of the war. It was obvious that this couldn't go on, for the first obligation of states to their citizens is to protect them. For years, Israel had been failing the citizens of Sederot. But when Israel finally decided to do what any legitimate state would do, J-Street immediately called for a cessation of hostilities. The war was only hours old, nothing had been accomplished and the citizens of Sederot were still no safer than they had been. But J-Street had had enough. Why? Why had you said almost nothing for all the years that Sederot was being shelled, but within hours of the war's beginning were calling for it to end? What matters more to you - the safety of Israel's citizens, or advancing your own moral agenda in our region of the world?

If you want us to be convinced that you're in the Big Tent, show us. Show us that there are times that you will stand up for Israel, not her enemies. Explain why you lobbied Congress against a resolution condemning incitement in Palestinian schools. Explain why, when Israel is marginalized as never before (a recent poll showed that Europeans rank Israel and North Korea as the greatest threats to world peace!), you pressured the US not to veto a UN resolution on settlements, which the mainstream of American Jewry all thought need to be vetoed.

And ask yourselves this: if you were to take all the money you're spending in the United States and do your work here in Israel, trying to strengthen the political parties who are more inclined to do what you seek, how much traction would you get? We all know that you would get a pretty chilly reception. Ask yourself why that is. Is it that we Israelis really don't want to end this conflict? We enjoy sending our children off to war? We look forward to the next funeral at Mount Herzl? We're not aware that time is not on our side?

Or is it that we live here, and that even rank and file Israelis know a bit more about the complexity of this conflict than you give us credit for? Why would you assume that we're stupid, or immoral, or addicted to the conflict? Why do you insist that the Fatah-Hamas agreement is a good thing, or that it's best for Israel if the United States twists its arm even harder? At a time when Israel is so alone, can you see why it's hard for many of us to buy the argument that you're genuinely pro-Israel, or that you should be part of the Big Tent?

It's time for you to show us. Show us that you seek peace, that you care about the Palestinians, but that even more (yes, more, because that's what the particularism of peoplehood requires), that you care about us. It's one thing to put "pro-Israel" in your tag line, and another to be "pro-Israel." You certainly don't need to be a rubber stamp for Israeli policy - that's not what's at issue. Israel desperately needs critique, and Israelis issue it all the time. So, too, should Diaspora Jews.

No, what's at issue is for us to see you pressure someone, anytime, to be in Israel's camp on something. That's what we want to see. When we see that, more of us will believe that you're part of our tent, and then, even with all our disagreements, we'll be convinced that we could work together for a better future for all the peoples of this region.


Postscript: in the Q&A session that followed, J-Street Founder Jeremy Ben Ami asked the first question. He said that he found it "astounding" that I had given an entire presentation "without mentioning the occupation of another people." But interestingly, in the May 12th issue of Globes, Vered Kellner, who traveled with the group and went with them from my session to their meeting with Salaam Fayyad, noted that Fayyad didn't mention the occupation either. "Is it possible that the occupation conversation simply doesn't interest anyone anymore?" she asked.

"True," Ben Ami answered, "neither Gordis nor Fayyad raised the occupation, but we're here to remind Israelis that you can't pretend that the occupation isn't part of reality."

So here's my final suggestion - if the way that you're framing the issues is no longer the way that Israelis and Palestinians are discussing them, is it possible that you are not even addressing the core issues that matter to the people actually in the conflict? Perhaps the time has come to ask yourselves what matters to you more: actually moving the policy needle, or assuaging your own discomfort with the undeniably painful complexities of this conflict. If what you want to do is to affect policy, how effective would you say you've been thus far?

 
 
 
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05:07 PM on 06/05/2011
A typically sanctimonious excoriation from Daniel Gordis. Gordis spends more time on ad hominem arguments than he does on the issues themselves. He would do better to illuminate the complexities of the Middle East by discussing them at length, rather than insisting on their existence ad nauseam. If J-Street has indeed ignored some fundamental facets of the conflict so be it. Gordis ought to persuade his audience with arguments instead of threatening it with ostracism. Perhaps offer an reason for the U.S.' UN Resolution veto instead of merely citing American Jewish support. Why was it imperative for Israel to invade Lebanon in this instance - surely this was not the first time Israeli citizens have been under fierce fire. And is there really no way in which the Palestinian unity government is historic for the prospects of negotiation? If not, why not? It is not Mr. Gordis' point of view with which I disagree so much as his rhetoric. His haze of self-righteous indignation obfuscates the issues more than it clarifies or unpacks them. Gordis accuses J-Street of arrogance, condescension and shallowness, I suggest he examine his own rhetorical tactics before casting the first stone.
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courtb
12:42 PM on 05/31/2011
I will admit, I'm guilty of the arrogance you talk about. I argue with my Israeli friends from the safety of my home in England (or California) about Bibi and their issues with Obama (whom I still maintain is extremely pro-Israel).

You do, however, highlight my reservations about J-Street. I want, so badly, to like them and respect them. For every step forward they take, they then take two steps back. But, they oftentimes are more concerned with being "leftist" than being pro-Israel. I remember my disappoint when they supported the play "7 Jewish Children" which I saw at Cambridge and found incredibly disturbing (although, the students who put it on in Cambridge approached the Jewish society and asked for input on what is offensive in it). They offer a much needed "liberal" voice to the pro-Israel community (AIPAC has become far too right leaning for my tastes) but they haven't yet found a balance between being liberal and being pro-Israel.
09:52 AM on 05/31/2011
Call me when there is an "A Street".
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lbsaltzman
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02:50 AM on 05/31/2011
This post disappeared, so I repeat it:
At least the Rabbi is talking to people on my side of the debate, so I can't be too critical. But I have to say one thing. It is Israel's fault that so many states and people are arrayed against Israel. Or more accurately most are arrayed against Israel's appalling policies towards the Palestinians.
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StCuthbert
Anytime the mods are ready...
02:27 PM on 05/31/2011
"It is Israel's fault that so many states and people are arrayed against Israel." Blaming the victim
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BcemXAHA
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02:29 PM on 05/31/2011
Say salty,

Can you think of ANYTHING at all that Israel isn't guilty of? anything?
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BcemXAHA
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08:16 PM on 05/30/2011
Rabbi Gordi,

Thank you for a powerful and spot on commentary. I have tweet it and published it on my FB.

Part of why I left J Street and stopped all support for it, is precisely because they kept their lips sealed when Israel was mercilessly terrorized for years. Yet shouting STOP! when Israel finally responded.

J Street is not a friend to Israel, as a result not a friend to the Palestinians. J Street in it's pursuit to gain the "moral" support has abandoned its core quest, which in my mind was always peace and two states.

J Street has become what the rest of the world has been and continues to be. Just another entity using the Palestinians to advance their agenda.
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
10:56 AM on 05/31/2011
I agree with Rabbi Gordis and you that Sderot was put under undue pressure due to the rockets (as an aside and an example of how unconventional responses can be effective, the first time I thought of the people of Sderot is when I saw a TV report on them firing vegetables at Gaza, I remember being struck by the humour being used to make a very valid point). However, I disagree that the Israeli response should have been to continue stonewalling Hamas and Gaza and then unleashing Cast Lead. In other words, I think the Israel cabinet has some answering to do.
01:46 PM on 05/31/2011
Bcem - - Good grief. J Street is a front for the Palestinians?
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Carly13
There is no inconsistency between loyalty to Ameri
02:00 PM on 05/31/2011
Dude, you need reading comprehension lessons, in the worse way!
08:52 AM on 05/30/2011
This article gave me a greater appreciation of what J Street apparently has to deal with on a regular basis. I was pretty fed up with them for urging the President to veto the U.N. (and U.S. policy supported) resolution on Israeli settlements but evidently they are already so far outside the right-wing anti-Palestinian camp that maybe they've already gone as pro-peace as they feasibly can.

"But that is arrogance of the worst sort. Does your distance from the conflict give you some moral clarity that we don't have? Are you smarter than we are? Are you less racist? Why do you assume with such certainty that you have a monopoly on the wisdom needed to get to the goal we both seek?"

Likudniks and Republican Congressmen spend the bulk of their time related to this issue trying to convince the entire rest of the planet that they are wrong about their views and only they (Likud and American Republicans) see the light clearly and can properly solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Any "arrogance" you see in J Street is a fledgling bird with clipped wings in comparison and it's ironic you'd even seek to comment on it.
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01:40 PM on 05/30/2011
I hope the MJ Rosenbergs and Robert Naimans of the world are listening, but I doubt it.
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thinkingwomanmillstone
great, green, globs of greasy grimey GOPerspeak.
07:46 PM on 05/29/2011
The basic premise that Israel is a democracy is false. It is a theocracy that denies the majority equal status based on their ethnicity and religion. Once again it is a call to the US to solve its problems rather than solving their own by recognizing their own actions that have brought them to this point. I don't discount or approve of the actions of Hamas but the actions of the long-time and brutally oppressed are to be expected never condoned. Are they to just accept the governmental discrimination that is pervasive in Israel. There was another totally disingenuous remark that within the US, critics only criticize Israel and not its enemies. I believe that we are at war on two fronts with two countries that traditionally are anti-Israel. We've supported popular uprisings in several other countries that do not support Israel. We support Israel with massive aid. This is insulting to the US. I find that Israel has suffered little official sanctions for any of its actions even the killing of unarmed US citizens.
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02:21 PM on 05/30/2011
Israel is a democracy. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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thinkingwomanmillstone
great, green, globs of greasy grimey GOPerspeak.
02:39 PM on 05/30/2011
ask the resident majority how their votes are counted.
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courtb
12:43 PM on 05/31/2011
Huh, I had no idea that a country could be a theocracy without an official state religion (ironic, isn't it?).
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thinkingwomanmillstone
great, green, globs of greasy grimey GOPerspeak.
02:24 PM on 05/31/2011
Critics of Israel are always branded anti semitic. The bylaws of Israel call it a representative democracy and a Jewish state. The ultra orthodox rabbis have tremendous influence in policy and practice within the state. How a state operates is much more important than how their laws are written. There are elections in Iran and no one would consider it a democracy. When a large percentage of citizens are demonized, repressed and not granted the same civil liberties based on their ethnicity and religion as the ruling religion the state is ipso facto a theocracy.
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gibranII
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04:47 PM on 05/29/2011
Jstreet must be doing something right as well as the peace camps.. I would think that with a vision of tough love for a tough peace we can get past the few in both camps that want a greater version of their traditional homelands.. peace is coming in the way of Jstreet as well as the more liberal views of Israel.. this with us or against us failes to understand we see the conflcit for the harm it has provided for all people involved we undersatdn the threats..but we also recognize that if we do not change the paradigm it wil continue to grow into a misery that will cuase all involved to lose their souls while basking in the sun and sitting by their comfortable pools.
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04:08 PM on 05/29/2011
isreal intransigence is annoying. Time to get with the program and recognize palestine. The rest of the world woke up and more and more of us in the US are no longer willing to support the zionist push. god forbid you should express an opinion on this political hornets nest, here in NYC you will be shouted down. I didn't use to feel so strongly, but the more I learn about the sneaky b's the more po'ed I get. Our ranks are growing
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GZLives
08:46 PM on 05/30/2011
"Time to get with the program and recognize palestine"

They already recognized the PLO in the Oslo Agreement but the UN recognition will throw that down the toilet

"The accord in fact consisted of two parts, both of which were the product of secret diplomacy in the Norwegian capital. The first part consisted of mutual recognition between Israel and the PLO. It took the form of two letters, on plain paper and without letterheads, dated 9 September but signed by Chairman Arafat and prime minister Rabin respectively on 9 and 10 September. Nearly all the publicity focused on the signing of the Declaration of Principles, but without the prior agreement on mutual recognition there could have been no meaningful agreement on Palestinian self-government."

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ssfc0005/The Oslo Accord.html

And the PLO as Abbas keeps saying IS Palestine
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
10:59 AM on 05/31/2011
"They already recognized the PLO in the Oslo Agreement but the UN recognitio­n will throw that down the toilet "

Why? I see more settlements are being authorised this week. Are these not "unilateral actions"? I have yet to see a reason for not recognising Palestine in September that is not down to politicking.
01:48 PM on 05/31/2011
GZLives - - An individual is not a country.
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Cynthia Rays
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03:01 PM on 05/29/2011
The author states," We seek two states in this region, one a thriving, Jewish, democratic Israel, and the other a thriving, non-Jewish, democratic Palestine."
" 1.2 million Palestinians are citizens of Israel and subject to more than 30 laws which discriminate against them solely based on their ethnicity, rendering them second or third-class citizens in their own homeland. From 1948 to 1966, those Palestinians who remained in what became Israel after the ethnic cleansing of the vast majority of the Palestinians from their homeland were governed by Israeli military rule (not unlike what exists in the Occupied Territories today). Thus for the entirety of its 63-year existence, there has been a period of only about one year, between the lifting of martial law in 1966 and the occupation which began in 1967, that Israel did not rule over large numbers of Palestinians to whom it granted no political or human rights."

http://imeu.net/news/article0020963.shtml
03:55 PM on 05/29/2011
What laws, for example?
02:25 PM on 05/29/2011
Yes, most Israelis would prefer an end to the Israel/Palestine problem. And there will be no end, without minimum justice for the Palestinians. This means Israel must accept the 2002 Saudi peace plan, with revisions re: right of return. Possible swaps of territory could be explored after Palestine is recognised as independent. And Israel must accept that Hamas is a fact on the political ground.
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03:12 PM on 05/29/2011
Among other problems with it the Saudi Peace plan places way too much into one basket. Israel will also have to reach a peace deal with Syria giving back the Golan Heights.
On top of that the offer seems to be non negotiable. Israel should try and reach understandings with Palestinians if other Arab states wishes to normalize relations with Israel after before or during the process they are welcomed to.
06:02 PM on 05/29/2011
Israel will never be able to give up the Golan Heights as its economy has become somewhat Dependant on its fertile lands. Much of its produce and wine is grown in the area. In addition Israel requires this land as it hold a large percent of water in for an already water deprived country
07:20 PM on 05/29/2011
Kramer - - The Saudi offer most definitely is not a "non-negotiable" proposal. It calls for recognition of Israel within 1967 borders (thus, Israel would get out of Golan Heights).
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Json
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02:58 PM on 05/31/2011
"Israel must accept the 2002 Saudi peace plan"
"Israel must accept that Hamas is a fact on the political ground"

Eh. They MUST find a reasonable solution in conjunction with the palestinians. Any other absolutism is silly posturing.
05:43 PM on 05/31/2011
Json - - What do you consider a "reasonable solution"?