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When You Shouldn't Say What You Really Think About Other Faith Traditions

Posted: 07/25/2012 7:00 am

Some recent, angry exchanges between leaders of different religious traditions have led me to consider the principles that should guide us when reacting to disagreements with other faith groups.

If I strongly disagree with a Christian or Muslim, I am free to say what I wish, of course, and there is an argument to be made that I should always say what I think. As a believing and practicing Jew, I do not hesitate to comment on, praise, criticize or analyze statements by any Jewish leader or Jewish group. Should I not be true to myself and my beliefs whenever someone representing a non-Jewish tradition says things that are contrary to my deepest moral convictions?

Well, actually, no. I suggest that there are important distinctions to be kept in mind. Specifically, I think that there are two rules to follow when deciding what is appropriate to say -- and what is not -- when commenting on the positions of other religious groups.

Rule No. 1: When a religious leader or group speaks on a matter of public policy that impacts all Americans, those who have different views and who represent other religious traditions can and should speak out.

For example, if an evangelical Protestant leaders calls for a law banning abortions, such a law will limit the rights of all. In this case, I feel free and indeed obligated to express my belief, rooted in my own religious teachings, that abortion is a difficult matter but that every woman, after prayerful consideration, should be able to make this determination for herself, without interference from the state.

Rule No. 2: When a religious leader or group speaks on an internal religious matter directly affecting only adherents of his or her faith, those representing other religious traditions should remain silent (with two exceptions noted below).

For example, if the Catholic Church announces that it is placing restrictions on politically active nuns or if a Protestant denomination announces that it refuses to ordain gay clergy, only the members of these religious communities are affected. As a religious liberal favoring equality for women and gays in both the religious and secular realms, I may find these rulings to be troubling, but I also recognize that they are not ultimately my affair.

The reason for this is that while I am an aggressive advocate for my values in the public arena, I know that voluntary religious associations are free to set the rules for their own members and to determine those rules according to their own religious standards. And I have no place in these discussions. And even when I think I may know what is right, I remind myself that humility is in order in such cases. After all, while public policy should be set by drawing on the historical, legal and cultural values of the American experience, religious policy for private groupings depends on such things as faith, interpretation of sacred texts, and the workings of religious hierarchy -- none of which I can speak to in traditions other than my own.

In addition, voluntary religious associations in a pluralistic democracy are just that: voluntary. An American Catholic, Protestant, Jew or Muslim who does not like what his religious denomination is doing is free to walk away and, if he or she is so inclined, create a competing religious body.

Whenever I am tempted to disregard my own advice here and express an opinion on what is best for Catholics or Protestants, I remind myself how uncomfortable I am when Christians speak to internal Jewish concerns. No less than others, the Jewish world is struggling mightily with issues related to the position of women and gays, but the outcome will be determined by what we Jews decide about what Torah teaches us. Christians have no more role in this debate than I have in any of theirs.

There are, it seems to me, two exceptions to this second rule. While they should be construed fairly narrowly, they are exceedingly important.

The first is that when the internal religious policies of one religious group have a direct and immediate impact on another religious group, those impacted are entitled to express their views.

Thus, while generally speaking the Catholic Church alone should determine what will be released from the Vatican archives, the Jewish community can reasonably assert that the monumental importance of the Holocaust to Jews entitles it to ask for and receive documents related to the slaughter.

The second exception to the "non-interference" rule is that if, in its internal policies, a religious group permits or mandates the violation of the fundamental human rights of its adherents, including the infliction of irreversible physical harm, then others have the obligation to protest. An example would be a religious group that sanctioned for its members the practice of female circumcision or polygamy.

This approach -- both the rules and the exceptions -- hardly solves all problems that arise. Different groups may accept the approach but define their terms in different way, and serious disagreements will remain. Nonetheless, I believe that it offers us as religious believers a framework to do what is required in interfaith relations: Be true to our principles while at the same time demonstrating humility and restraint and respecting the beliefs and values of other religious Americans.

 
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AndrewHall
I blog atheist comedy at Laughing in Purgatory
07:20 AM on 07/27/2012
"Whenever I am tempted to disregard my own advice here and express an opinion on what is best for Catholics or Protestants," That's funny, as an atheist when I express concern for a person it is irrelevant whether that person is a Catholic, Protestant, or Jew.
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01:58 AM on 07/27/2012
YOU want to make "rules" for everyone? Power hungry much?

Religion is a man-made power tool fueled by fear and need and greed.

ALL religions.
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ILoveTheUSofA
BREAKING NEWS: There is no God.
04:48 PM on 07/26/2012
Usually a gifted Muhammadolater takes the prize for "Posilutely Absotively The Very Worst Essay." Not this time. Congratulations, Rabbi!
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ILoveTheUSofA
BREAKING NEWS: There is no God.
04:04 PM on 07/26/2012
Congratulations Rabbi Yoffie! You take the prize for Most Ludicrously Thoughtless, Foolish, And Indefensible Essay Ever, Ever Written - Ever This Week, Anyway!
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Karl Wilder
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02:15 PM on 07/26/2012
I think everyone should speak out about all religion. It might lead to rational thought and that could lead to the end of superstition ruining the lives of people who 'believe'.
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Dan Jighter
08:37 AM on 07/26/2012
It just occurred to me that by Rule 2 he probably means to include criticism of male circumcision. He's basically telling us, amongst other things, that we are not to tell him not to cut off body parts from a baby. Again, I don't care if you view this as between you and a young member of your faith, I regard religious circumcision as I do any other health and cutting body parts off issue and your religion is not to be privileged to be treated differently and with less criticism. Especially when I don't entirely agree that babies are members of any religion.
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Dan Jighter
08:30 AM on 07/26/2012
"Rule No. 2: When a religious leader or group speaks on an internal religious matter directly affecting only adherents of his or her faith, those representing other religious traditions should remain silent (with two exceptions noted below)."

Um, no more so that when a leader or group within any other group or organization (social organization, business, professional community, etc) speaks on an internal matter those of us outside of the group or organization must remain silent. Religions should not be privileged in this regard. Especial not when the internal affairs of a religion are a reflection of the ideas and character of that religion, which should be open to discussion and criticism the same as any other ideas or anyone else's character.

Why does this blog seem to be a request for religious privilege?
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Dan Jighter
08:30 AM on 07/26/2012
"Rule No. 1: When a religious leader or group speaks on a matter of public policy that impacts all Americans, those who have different views and who represent other religious traditions can and should speak out."

Um, okay. Fair enough, I guess. But who honestly cares what your religious tradition says about anything? Why should your religious tradition be privileged as an important or valid view on par with secular considerations (public health, the economy, scientific facts, etc)? Why should I even care what your religious tradition has to say in the first place? And suppose that a member of a different religious tradition than you does not wish to live and be governed as your religious tradition dictates and people of your particular religious perspective have enough political power to make the views of your tradition law, then what about the 1st Amendment rights of that people of a different religious tradition from you? I think those are very serious and real questions that should be answered before your religious tradition's views are accepted into public policy discussions.
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08:13 PM on 07/25/2012
"Rule No. 2: When a religious leader or group speaks on an internal religious matter directly affecting only adherents of his or her faith, those representing other religious traditions should remain silent (with two exceptions noted below)."

With two exceptions noted below? This is a sadly funny article. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. He should be consistent when applying his own principles.
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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
08:00 PM on 07/25/2012
It's a well reasoned piece, Rabbi, but I think it's needlessly complex. I have a simpler rule: it's my right to disagree with anything stated in a public forum.

Consider your example for rule #2: "if a Protestant denomination announces that it refuses to ordain gay clergy, ... [it is] not ultimately my affair."

That church made it your affair by *announcing* this. If it's just internal business they could distribute the news through internal channels; then, I agree, it's none of your business. But by announcing this in public the church is doing more than distributing internal policy: it's advertising itself and lending its name to (in this case) the stigmatization of gays.

Suppose the Chick-Fil-A restaurant chain bought a Superbowl ad stating, "At Chick-Fil-A we oppose gay marriage." And suppose you're neither a customer, investor, nor employee of theirs. Because it's just an announcement of their internal policy, is this none of your business?

I don't think there are any "safe zones" in public speech. Anything said in public is fair game for criticism. I understand why clergy would want to carve out a special realm of public speech where they're free to state their beliefs without having to defend them. You're free to treat each other this way as a professional courtesy, but I don't honor that deal.
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Dan Jighter
08:51 AM on 07/26/2012
"I have a simpler rule: it's my right to disagree with anything stated in a public forum."

I like that rule. That's my rule too.

All this asking for a special realm of public speech to spout off their beliefs without having to defend them is is yet another example of religious privilege and the demand for such privilege.
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dschiff
Always learning
06:24 PM on 07/25/2012
Be careful with your moral relativism and non-interference policy, Rabbi. I appreciate where you're coming from, but such a policy is dangerous. You might end up with people having their rights removed.
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Publius67
05:32 PM on 07/25/2012
It may also be well to consider that as a common off-shoot with the Christian Sects of Temple-Era Judaism, you might have useful insights that another branch has not yet considered
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OtayPanky
You're welcome
03:04 PM on 07/25/2012
This is a false argument if ever there was one.

The "internal" stance of the three Abrahamic religions concerning LGTB people has a direct effect on societies: both secular, pluralistic societies such as the USA, and explicitly religious ones like Pakistan.

Those who believe such stances are examples of institutionalized religious evil have both the right and the obligation to speak out, regardless of whether they are members of that faith tradition, some other faith tradition, or no faith tradition at all.

I'm not an abrahamist of any sort. And I feel it is absolutely appropriate for me (and others) to call out the abrahamists for their internal prejudices, whether against women, LGTB's, those who choose to leave the faith, and others.

If my criticism makes religionists like the Rabbi "uncomfortable", tough. The religionists are making life much, much tougher for those they treat so damn poorly.
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see-ellen2001
02:14 PM on 07/25/2012
This is so true! Very well said. Sometimes it seems human nature for everyone to want to get their oar in. It reminds me of my earlier vegetarian years, when it was far less common. People would get irate even hostile about my not eating meat, somehow thinking it had something to do with them.
04:08 PM on 07/25/2012
The reverse is also true. I really dislike it when I'm eating with a vegetarian who keeps acting like my eating habits are repulsive and that their diet is obviously morally superior.
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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
08:25 PM on 07/25/2012
I think you've both put your finger on the core of religious strife. When we see people who behave different from us, it triggers our self doubt. Are we making a mistake? Missing out on something good?

(I think this reaction is rooted in the "keep up with the Joneses" instinct that makes us want a new car because our neighbors bought one. I think evolution gave us that instinct to keep our complacence from killing us. "My neighbor has stored a lot more food for winter than I have. I thought I have enough but I can't be sure. Maybe he knows something I don't. I guess I should store more.")

When we see people acting differently it worries us. We can end the worries by doing what they do, but if that's too much effort or just not possible, we can also stop fretting by deciding they're wrong. Obviously wrong -- it's obvious to us, right? And what kind of person does something that's obviously wrong? A BAD person. If you can't join 'em, hate 'em.

I think this is why religions can't co-exist or tolerate atheists, why some straight people can't abide the existence of gays, why Democrats and Republicans can't get along, why capitalists and communists fight... it may even be the root of sexism and racism.
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Dan Jighter
08:48 AM on 07/26/2012
I've never met an actual vegetarian who acted morally superior because I eat meat. In fact, every vegetarian I've ever met was fine with me eating meat, often steak. Moreover, a number of them aren't vegetarian primarily for moral reasons, many of them genuinely don't like the taste of meat, especially after having lived as a vegetarian for some time.
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Dan Jighter
08:46 AM on 07/26/2012
Well, you being vegetarian does have something to do with them. I know a number of vegetarians as friends, roommates, dates, etc. Now we would never get irate with each other and often would bend over backwards to make allowances to make sure the other is happy. I on principle do not want to be enjoying a great meal while someone else I care about is just eating a salad. However, when you are eating with vegetarians in a group, making sure everyone has something good to eat does have something to do with the group and thus with me. I'm happy to be a gentleman about the situation, it takes very little effort on my part, but it is the reality. That's the problem with this whole American attitude with individualism and with this attitude of "It's none of your business.". You live in a society and do things in various social groups, you can't just pretend like your personal choices have nothing to do with anyone else, that's just absurd. You have to respect the fact that you are part of a larger group, even if that means you chose to be vegetarian and the rest of the group supports your decision.
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see-ellen2001
08:53 PM on 07/26/2012
Dan: sitting around the lunchroom at work when someone launches into someone bcs they not eat the same kind of food does warrant a 'none of your business' thought, absolutely bcs it is none of their business. I was not talking about friends, bcs my friends do not treat me that way, nor do them that way. I suppose one could obsess that every single aspect of one's life has to be examined for the impact it has on society at large but truly, if I choose not to eat meat and make no bones about people who do (pun intended) I do not think i am exhibiting a me, me, me attitude.
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ga4ry
Born atheist
01:13 PM on 07/25/2012
Female circumcision, truly an assault on the person of a female child, and what of male circumcision, is this not just as much an act of violence upon an infant?