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Are You Loving Glee? How to Talk to Your Teens About the Hot New Show

Posted: 10/09/09 10:14 PM ET

I'm wild about Glee. It's inspirational television for teens, a beacon of hope that passion can trump status and music will bring us all together. I've got chills - they're multiplyin'.

As a bonus, the show offers a whole lot of conversation starters for teen viewers, and I'm listing mine below. I'm going to let you see my cards first: I think the show does a shoddy job with its female and minority characters, who bring to life damaging stereotypes. But this is also an opportunity to talk about stereotypes with kids, so let's use it. And there's plenty to be psyched about: straight talk about girls and sex, a moving coming out scene between father and son, men who hug and cry, and, hello, Jane Lynch!

I'll have more to come, I'm sure, but if I was teaching right now, here's what I'd be asking:

On Race
How does Mercedes manage and express her anger? How might her comments and behavior reinforce stereotypes about African-American women and girls? Is this a fair representation of an African-American girl?

What I think: African American women and girls are often pathologized and labeled "too loud" or aggressive. When Mercedes belts "Bust Your Windows," a song about her disappointment that Kurt will not reciprocate her crush, she becomes violent, smashing up a car. When she gets upset, she threatens to "cut" someone. Would Quinn or Rachel act this way? Mercedes is playing the "angry black woman" character. This is a gross, harmful generalization about African-American girls.

We hear almost nothing from Tina, the Asian-American character. How does her silence reinforce stereotypes about Asian-American girls? How does her style and personality undermine stereotypes about Asian-Americans?

What I think: Asian-Americans are often portrayed as quiet bookworms. Glee busts Tina out of the bookish part, but she says so little that she's gutted of personality. If this weren't such a hideous display of stereotyping, her lack of dialogue would be laughable.

On Gender
Do you think Rachel is a likable character? Why or why not?

What I think: Rachel is fundamentally unlikable by girls because she comes off as too conceited and arrogant. Can't a female character be ambitious without being obnoxious? Would it be possible to represent an aspirational girl without painting her as a know-it-all?

What did you think of Rachel's response to Finn's manipulative behavior when he tried to get her to rejoin Glee? Should she have forgiven him so quickly? What would you have done?

What I think: Finn sexually manipulated and lied to Rachel. Within minutes, she's singing and lovingly looking into his eyes. Did he even apologize? I think she looks like a doormat and shows none of the spunk she demonstrates in her professional projects - which further suggests she's a caricature of an unattractive, ambitious female.

On Sexuality
Why would Kurt, who is gay, say "that's so gay"? How might this be like other situations where you find yourself saying something that really degrades who you are? Think about girls who call each other "slut" and "ho" or who use fat talk ("I'm so fat").

Would it be harder for the show to have a gay character who looked and acted more like a "conventional" guy? Why does Kurt have to be, well, so gay?

On Status
Puck tells Finn that Kurt doesn't belong on the football team. What does Puck mean when he says, "I'm a stud. I can wear a dress to school and people think it's cool"?

What I think: The terms of status in school mean that justice is always unequal. If you're cool, you can get away with doing things other kids would get killed for. This is one of the foundations of bullying and aggression.

But let's end on a high note. On the bright side:

How does Glee club fight the rules of power and status at school? How does being in the Glee club allow members to break free of stereotypes about who's in and who's out?

What I think: Music levels the playing field. When the kids take the stage, passion smashes the hierarchy of high school to bits. And that's why I get chills when I watch. Hope springs eternal.

 

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I'm wild about Glee. It's inspirational television for teens, a beacon of hope that passion can trump status and music will bring us all together. I've got chills - they're multiplyin'. As a bonus, t...
I'm wild about Glee. It's inspirational television for teens, a beacon of hope that passion can trump status and music will bring us all together. I've got chills - they're multiplyin'. As a bonus, t...
 
 
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10:59 PM on 10/12/2009
We work with the Rape Treatment Center. The director told us of a middle school game, scooping, where the kids grab each other genitals. The next time we saw Glee, one character was telling another that she should "scoop that"....meaning the boy in the group she liked. I think it is a cute show, but it is a little too suggestive for younger kids. Scooping should not be re-enforced by a "cute show" and make it seem more the norm. Kids are bombarded with sex way too early.
01:04 AM on 10/15/2009
I just watched the latest episode which reminded me that the character of the student jouranlist, Jacob Ben Isreal, is one step, if that many, away from sexually blackmailing the Rachel character. That is the single thread in the show that really makes my skin crawl--because it is not being addressed by the creators; by doing so add they simply to the normativity of sexual expoitation. What the male character is doing, getting "sexual favors" ( minor though they may appear) to withhold information is certainly questionable. On the flip side it makes me think about the shop scene in 16 Candles, and how that didn't bother me. I can only suppose that the happenings haven't changed, but I have.
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03:45 PM on 10/12/2009
Hmm, I'm both a mom and a teacher. And I love Glee. I think it is intentionally stereotypical. Who are these people under their stereotypes? Rachel is conceited, yes...but doesn't she show weakness by wanting so badly to be loved? Quinn - the popular girl who makes life hell for others ends up making her own life hell by getting pregnant?

Have any of you been in a high school lately? There are all kinds of kids just like the Glee kids. Like it or not, there are cliques, there are divisions, and this show is realistic in that way.

But in the end, I think this show is for enjoyment - the kookyness of show choir, the escapades of kids and teachers, it all makes me laugh. Some of it is dead on, some of it is unbelievable. It's a TV show, after all....
02:31 PM on 10/12/2009
Agreed.
My wife and I are *huge* SYTYCD fans and have been a part of the music/ dance scene for years between ourselves and the kids...so I had great hopes for the show.
When I saw the preview I subscribed on TiVo, but after barely 20 minutes of the premier episode we had to turn it off.
It was embarrassingly awful!
I deleted the subscription.
Glad someone is finding something in it that resonates, but we sure didn't.
12:45 PM on 10/12/2009
The fact that this is such a bubble-gum show is what makes it fresh and fun. Most of the time, the dialog and storyline seems to be written just to set up the next song. This is meant to be entertainment, set in a relevant high school setting - THAT'S ALL! It's not supposed to be a deep, intellectual drama!!

That said, I am enjoying the show immensely, and applaud the visuals of the jocks and musician types crossing boundaries to work together and enjoy themselves (sometimes) :--)
01:15 PM on 10/11/2009
Whoa, and how about Mr. Shuester's wife? Can we talk about gender stereotypes there? As in, her only goal in life seems to be to get pregnant, or at least get a baby, which in her mind will ensure that her husband never leaves her. She has gotten so much screen time and yet her character is still utterly flat and two-dimensional. Yuck.
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11:17 PM on 10/10/2009
I think the reason that the Tina character doesn't speak is because she has a stutter. She has been speaking a bit more in recent episodes. I think that her success in the Glee Club is supposed to be giving her the strength and/or self-esteem to conquer her stutter.
09:56 PM on 10/10/2009
Well, I can't comment from a parent angle but I love the escapist attitude of Glee. It reminds me of one of my fave shows from the early 1990s "Parker Lewis Can't Lose". It just has such a fun quality without being mindless and continually makes me laugh out loud. Appreciate the analysis you gave and it certainly does raise some interesting points.
09:40 PM on 10/09/2009
YES!!! This 47 year old mom loves GLEE for all of these things and more. Right now, my son is 12, and the pregnant cheerleader story line has been a great starting point for talking about sex. One reason I think it's great for my situation is that it is my SON IS ASKING THE QUESTIONS! I could lecture until I'm purple-faced, and he would turn a deaf ear. But, when he is the one asking me for my answers and opinions, he then listens, evaluates, and sometimes even gives his thoughts. Glee is the right show at the right time in our relationship (OMG, middle school sucks--and that's just MY opinion!)
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10:52 PM on 10/09/2009
Glad you are happy, but we find the show ill written and badly acted. We had hoped for better.
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09:12 PM on 10/11/2009
Co-signed! I watched the pilot episode because they hyped it so much and I enoy musicals so I figured I would give it a chance. I was literally laughing out loud, but not at the parts they wanted me to laugh at. When the jock kid defends his wheelchair friend by breathlessly pleading, "Aren't we ALL losers?", I literally spit out my root beer I was laughing so hard! The writing was abysmal, the acting is over-the-top, and it doesn't play much better than a mediocre episode of Saved By the Bell! It's just horrible!