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Ending Bad Teaching: Releasing Teachers' Test Scores Is a Red Herring

Posted: 02/26/2012 4:44 pm

Mrs. Jones* missed 100 school days two years in a row. She was a good teacher when she was there, but she had a second job. Ms. Marcus had no classroom management, and her students ran around the room and did no work. A social studies teacher, Mr. Cali took over when Mr. Stevens, the math teacher, went out on extended sick leave.

During my six years of teaching middle school in a major urban school system, I never worked with a consistent team of teachers that provided high quality instruction all year long. I watched as teachers missed extended periods of instruction, untrained substitutes took over their classrooms, and students fell permanently behind in core content areas. None of the tenured teachers was ever released or fired. When a principal would decide to remove a teacher, that teacher would get reassigned to another school. Only provisional (new teachers) could be released. So the dance of the lemons continued for thousands of teachers.

Releasing Test Scores Shames the Wrong People

New York City yesterday released test scores of thousands of teachers, following the lead of Los Angeles, where the test scores of teachers were released in the newspaper last spring. Both efforts are narrowed-minded and leading us in the wrong direction. Last week, Bill Gates wrote a powerful piece, "Shame Is Not the Solution," and I agree that we don't need to shame teachers by publishing their test scores. Education is too complex for that one measure. The public does not understand that these scores do not reveal enough.

Instead, we need to shame the people who allow teachers who by all standards are not competent to stay in their classrooms, our classrooms.

Multiple Factors Affect Student Performance

Releasing test scores alone will not reveal enough about teacher quality. So many factors affect students test scores: the teachers the students had before, their socioeconomic status, their access to effective instruction materials and other academic programs, the levels of the other students in their classes, the type of tests given, the method of test analysis, and so much more. Of course, teacher quality matters. Many teachers can improve. Others can't and won't.

If you had looked at my test scores my first year, you would have not have seen how weak I was, because my sixth graders had another amazing reading teacher on the team whose skills almost counteracted my lack of teaching knowledge and experience. During my sixth year of teaching, when I was much better trained and competent, my test scores were lower, because my students' skills were far below grade level. Yet, from the beginning to the end of the year, their gains were substantial because of the multiple ways we worked on their literacy skills. We had set them on the path to great gains.

Now as I train and coach middle and high school teachers, I push them to see themselves as agents of change. I teach them that they have the moral, professional, and legal obligation to provide their students with the highest quality instruction possible. I help them see themselves as just beginning their path to great teaching. I encourage them to view themselves as lifelong learners and how complex their work truly is. I know that teaching is one of the hardest jobs imaginable, especially in urban school systems, beset with limited resources, overwhelmed families, and students with little external motivation. Nonetheless, I have faith in my new teachers' abilities to become truly amazing teachers.

Over the past 10 years, I have watched most of my teachers develop into extraordinary teachers. I have also tried counseled others out of the profession, while their administrators haven't.

There Is Hope

As federal, state, and local leaders continue to look for ways to reform schools, there is hope. There are more teachers than positions. We can be picky. We can be selective. We cannot just use seniority. We must gain the collective will to remove teachers who do not put their students first.

Gates is correct that we need a systematic approach to evaluating teachers. We need to develop a more effective way of measuring teachers. As I evaluate my student teachers now, I look for multiple measures of their success from observations, student work, service, to student feedback. Professionalism should and must be one major measure.

The Need for Streamlined Removal Processes

I am not a union buster. I am here today because my teacher's union helped me throughout my development into an activist teacher. However, we have to develop a much faster way to remove incompetent teachers. Removing incompetent teachers will not weaken efforts to protect others. Our students cannot wait; just look at the mess in Los Angeles as teachers who clearly should have been removed from their classrooms were allowed to keep their jobs and their credentials.

As I continue to train urban teachers, I now also teach remedial college freshmen. These are the urban students who make it to college, but are so woefully under-prepared that they require at least a year of remediation. Many of these freshmen are extraordinary, but many read and write at middle school levels. They tell me about years of mediocre education, and how many of their teachers had no classroom management and low expectations. They also tell me of the 30 to 50 percent percent of their peers who dropped out before making it to college. Just think how many of them we could have reached with effective teachers in all of their classrooms.

Stop the Dance of the Lemons

Together, we beg educational and political leaders to stop the dance of the lemons. We beg them to implement a much more streamlined, yet complex method of teacher evaluation. We need a commitment now to stop the madness and to educate every student with a high quality teacher.

Shaming teachers by publishing their test scores won't work. Holding their administrators and district leaders accountable will. They need to remove the truly ineffective teachers with much more effective evaluation and removal methods.

*No real names were used in this piece except for mine.

 

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Mrs. Jones* missed 100 school days two years in a row. She was a good teacher when she was there, but she had a second job. Ms. Marcus had no classroom management, and her students ran around the room...
Mrs. Jones* missed 100 school days two years in a row. She was a good teacher when she was there, but she had a second job. Ms. Marcus had no classroom management, and her students ran around the room...
 
 
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11:52 PM on 03/10/2012
In a democracy, the government should not be allowed to hide information from the public (except for reasons of national security). If the value-scores are meaningless, then value-added scores should not be calculated. If they are calculated, they should be released to the public. Transparency of governement institutions is the only way to guarantee accountability.
09:16 PM on 03/10/2012
I am a certified teacher. I have removed my children from the public schools due to bad teachers; I now homeschool them. I am tired of teachers complaining of unfair teacher bashing and acting like there are no bad teachers. I am glad this author recognizes the need to evaluate teachers and get rid of the bad ones. All good educators to need come together to get rid of the bad teachers.
Chigirl60
You Get What You Tolerate
03:47 PM on 03/01/2012
Remove tenure at the elementary, jr high, and high school level if you want to make it easier to remove poorly performing teachers. Tenure does not belong outside of a university setting.
03:55 PM on 02/28/2012
Thank you! Some one had to say it, and I'm glad it was a teacher with real experience in an urban setting to set the tone.
01:31 PM on 02/28/2012
I've always crushed tests of any kind. Even though I personally love tests I think they are used incorrectly. This love of tests is basically a form of laziness and a way to pass blame. Some people do not test well but are still good at what they do. Ultimately management responsibility is what is important. If you are a manager and someone is doing a poor job retrain them or fire them take some responsibility for the situation. If your school is failing and you are the principal then you are failing.

I've had plenty of teachers that were dumber then me that were still good teachers. Testing is a way for the managers to say look they can't pass the tests it's not my fault the school is failing.

A good manager sees a person's weaknesses and helps them improve or finds a way to fill the gap. Most people can be useful in an organization if the tasks they are given are tasks they can succeed at. The American way has become fit in this box or you are useless and that is utter nonsense that is hurting American productivity.
11:56 AM on 02/28/2012
Whenever I read the the phrase "you just don't understand" as in the quote from this article's author as follows:"The public does not understand that these scores do not reveal enough. " then I know I am dealing with an elitist who is both arrogant and worthless. First of all, it is the parents who "hire" these teachers with their taxes and they have every right and even a duty to decide what is best. If shaming bad teachers is the only way to break the union's stranglehold on Chicago education, then let's shame them all. And shame them over and over again. Nothing will get better until the power of the union to keep bad teachers on the payroll is completely and irrevocably broken.
08:09 AM on 02/28/2012
Why doesn't CA and other union states do what SC does? SC is non-union, and yes the rural areas still need money and help, but when you compare the metropolitan areas in SC you will find that we can compete with the best in the US. That is because when a teacher is bad they are fired. Teachers that are good, especially the Nationally Board Certified, are compensated. Of course we don't get as many perks as the union, but the schools I have worked in have been staffed by 100% excellent teaching staff
09:32 PM on 03/10/2012
100% excellent teaching staff? I am a certified teacher, and I don't know how you are coming to that conclusion. Most teachers are too busy with their own classes to have any idea how other teachers are doing.Do you look over their assignments? Are most of their assignments made up of a few multiple choice questions? Do they give out questions that require students to think deeply and write answers in paragraph form? Do they assign plenty of essays and research papers? Do they give out assignments that require higher levels of thinking or just rote memorization? Do they always just use the worksheets that came with the textbook? Do they give out word finds and other busy work? If students ask for help with something they don't understand, do the teachers help the students? How often do the teachers yell at the students? How often do the teachers call a student stupid or some other derogatory term? Do the teachers always treat students with respect? If a student tells the teachers that he or she is bullied, what do the teachers do about it? Do they respond within 24 hours to parent phone messages and e-mails? I think most teachers have no clue whether the other teachers at their school are good teachers are not. Teachers just know which other teachers they like and which they don't.
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bielymedved
Primum non nocere
01:08 AM on 02/28/2012
Yet another article that puts no onus on administrators anywhere in the process except as in the Trump "You're fired' role. Great, now you've gotten rid of the lemons. Who is replacing them? Is there some pool of world class teachers who somehow don't have jobs? Is there that ample a supply of new grads chomping at the bit to change the world and that have the energy of a 23 year old and the skills of a 43 year old 20 years in? Or do we realize the best teachers are home school moms, who can develop our workforce by teaching about Moses getting dinosaurs on the ark by only taking the baby T-Rex's?
11:58 AM on 02/28/2012
Those home school moms, whom you disparage, created 4% of the incoming freshman in the Illinois University system with less than 1% of the total student body. Home schooling isn't perfect, but it is clearly better than what we have in the city schools right now.
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bielymedved
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01:29 PM on 02/28/2012
Get a grip. My wife and I are both teachers - she elementary and me college - and if you think the typical uncertified mom can do better than a professional if given the same conditions, well... Some Home Schooling is fine, and if the family has one income that is sufficient and an educated 2nd parent who can dedicate to this I am ALL FOR IT (they have to remedy issues of socialization and extra curriculars, but that can be done.)

But this is not a solution for a nation of 300+ million or a modern society. Anecdotal sufficiency of HomeS doesn't create a model that is replicable. Your stats, for example are problematic, as you compare self-selected home schooled students to the general population. Compare instead like to like - ie, to non HomeS students with the same level of parent involvement and level of education, same socio-economic status, (same teacher-student ratio?) etc.
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bielymedved
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01:29 PM on 02/28/2012
My snide comment about dinosaurs refers to the insidious groups who use this as a wedge to destroy public schools and promote religious ideas from the 16th century - the same types that Roger Williams fought. I see it when former HomeS students recommend texts by people like David Barton or use fabricated Founders quotes . You may not like diversity, but once kids leave the cocoon that is the reality of the world. For many, it is dangerous to wait until they are 18 for that exposure as it tends to produce destructively parochial minds. My experience is that some are excellent (aqnd those kids would have excelled anywhere), but many, while they are good enough to be admitted, aren't ready to be there.
09:03 PM on 02/27/2012
Teacher: Who likes bonus questions on tests?
Students: Meee!
06:04 PM on 02/27/2012
All Huffpost readers who don't live in California should read the following articles from the LA Times. Be sure to click on the link in the first article that is about dismissing tenured teachers. You'll see what happens when a very powerful teachers union runs amok and prevents efforts to reform a widely acknowledged educational fiasco in Los Angeles.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-teachers3-2009may03,0,679507.story

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1205-teachers-seniority-20101204,0,4822071.story
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11:19 AM on 02/28/2012
Just based on the story at the start, I already think its a problem.
05:50 PM on 02/27/2012
What you suggest is fair and reasonable. But, despite your years in the California educational establishment, you still don't understand it. California teachers unions essentially prevent meaningful appraisals and have established teacher removal procedures that are almost impossible to follow. Google the series the LA Times did a few years ago and find the one with the flow chart of what is required to terminate a teacher. Their series concluded that it is very difficult to terminate a teacher who commits criminal acts, and it has virtually never happened for reasons related to teaching quality.

Unions protect those that need protecting -- the retired on the job, the slow, the ineffective, the attitude cases -- and they foster a sense of job entitlement, of being protected no matter what.

Until unions that think and operate like California's are broken, we will never see obvious changes like you suggest.
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nypoet22
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04:42 PM on 02/27/2012
in most districts, effective methods for removing poor teachers already exist. every good administrator i know has dismissed a poor teacher at one time another. we don't need a better evaluation system, we need a better system for choosing and training the people who do the evaluation.
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Rodger leMonde
I call them as I see them.
02:35 PM on 02/27/2012
The core problem of "shaming " teachers is that it feeds into the lack of respect for education.
The array of elements against good teaching is legion. Any group as large as the teaching force in a nation will have a spectrum of capability.
Governments seek to improve education by reducing funding. Parents treat teachers like baby sitters. We have lost respect for education as an investment in the future. Those teachers who perform poorly and remain despite their failure are a symptom of this same lack of respect.
12:01 PM on 02/28/2012
Education is only an "investment" in the future if children are taught facts, skills, and information that actually have value to society, especially to employers. If they are merely indoctrinated, they are worthless and the contempt heaped on schools and teachers is justified.
03:35 PM on 02/29/2012
Try teaching facts, skills and information to 25 children when even just 5 of them -on a daily basis- steal 10-20 minutes of learning time (per subject!) from all the students because they won't sit still, be quiet, listen or obey their teacher. You think it's hard to fire a (presumably) "bad" teacher? You should see all the paperwork and documentation a teacher has to do simply to get a disruptive student disciplined. And even then, teachers often have to sit in the office and listen to that child's parents attack THEM as the problem while justifying and rationalizing their child's behavior?
Try teaching facts, skills and information to 25 children, 10 of whom don't do their homework or study, and whose parents only 'involvement' in their children's education is when they look at their report card.
Then, finally, listen to ignorant people call you worthless and heap contempt on you and your profession when the 'bad' students' test scores bring your overall test scores down to the point that you're ridiculed/let go, because you're considered a 'mediocre' teacher?
Please leave the discussion, sir. You are detriment to this discussion; you seem more interested in simply arguing, than fixing the problem. Your focus is on blame, not resolution; and even then, your focus is on symptoms, not the problem itself. That being the case, you are just bogging down those of us who care about out great country's children and their education, and are seeking to make improvements.
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01:24 PM on 02/27/2012
Incompetent teachers should go, but... It is much easier to teach in a school district where students come from homes that value education, are reading when they start kindergarten, and have been adequately nourished, both emotionally and physically. A classful of students with developmental disabilities caused by parents' drug use or lack of intellectual stimulation is almost impossible to bring up to grade level (though there are exceptions) in the typical overcrowded poor school district with ancient textbooks and non-existent technology. I am a retired urban middle school teacher and am currently trying to help one of my ex-students who is now 27 and overwhelmed. She had a baby when she was twelve (so her mother could get more money from the state) that her mother (a truly lousy parent) has custody of, dropped out of school at 14, and is now trying to raise two daughters, ages 3 and 7. She lives in a vermin-infested apartment that she keeps spotless, has no transportation, no computer, no parenting skills, and no clue as to how to get out of her situation. I took her and her seven-year-old daughter to a bookstore - it was the first time either of them had been to one. I am hoping to break the cycle for her daughters, but it takes so much more than good teaching to undo the damage that this culture of poverty does to its children.
02:47 PM on 02/27/2012
So true,and good luck.
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ms eve
02:57 PM on 02/27/2012
Thank you!!
Allthosewhowander
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03:18 PM on 02/27/2012
When I read examples like yours, it supports my firm belief that there is more to teaching than test scores. I teach in a similar neighborhood environment to what you described, and am very involved in the community, because I believe in my role as a teacher, mentor, coach, and community organizer. Teachers add an extraordinary amount of value to students and families, that isn't just quantifiable data. You are doing a very positive thing for your former student.
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acumenguy
It could be carried by an African swallow
12:38 PM on 02/27/2012
"the teachers the students had before, their socioeconomic status, their access to effective instruction materials and other academic programs, the levels of the other students in their classes, the type of tests given, the method of test analysis, and so much more. Of course, teacher quality matters."

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE is afraid to include "you-know-who" in the equation.

PARENTS.
What is it about including PARENTS in the evaluation process that scares the crap out of unions, other teachers, proncipals, BLOGGERS, city administrators?
Is it beccause PARENTS have voting cards? Are gang connected? (don't want to anger THEM) Might go "Jerry Springer on our a***s?

Why are we so afraid to call out these unemployed, uneducated, unmmotivated, watching t.v. all day, lazy bones, blunt smoking, beer swilling, non-standard-English-speaking, never take their kids to the library (or liBerry depending on which neighborhood you live in), cursing at their kids, pregnant at 17, welfare existing, "I was born in de' ghetto imo die in the ghetto" parents ... and insist that they grow up and ACT like a parent? Then, maybe their kids might ACT like students are expected to act. (Dangerous word=expectation)
Just wondering.
03:18 PM on 02/27/2012
We are afraid because we would be considered elite snobs. Did anyone ever hear the expression "acting white" for students of African-American decendents? By the way I am quoteing President Teddy Roosevelts speech". Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Children learn what they see.
holdthesetruths
Stop blaming GWB
06:54 AM on 02/28/2012
Its not a race issue, its a loser issue.
11:24 PM on 03/10/2012
Hey! You don't like people bashing teachers. Why don't you stop bashing parents? Most parents are not like you say. No wonder parents don't like you when you have so little respect for parents.