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How You Can Tell When the Deficit Is a Problem

Posted: 06/08/2012 7:48 pm

A few days ago, I was stuck in the car for a long drive. Because of the complete absence of progressive talk from Orlando's airwaves, I had no real choice but to listen to the nasal maundering of Mark Levin on the radio. Levin was very upset about the federal deficit.

Interestingly, Levin was a high-level appointee in the Reagan Administration. Dick Cheney, who was Reagan's Defense Secretary and later the Vice President, said 10 years ago that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

I must concede that it is rather difficult to reconcile the conflicting statements of these two gentlemen, Messrs. Evidently, they believe deficits are a terrible tragedy when a Democrat is President, and a wonderful gift when a Republican is President.

There has got to be a more objective standard than that.

Here's one: the federal deficit is a problem when long-term interest rates are high, and not much of a problem when long-term interest rates are low. The Federal Reserve dictates short-term interest rates, but long-term rates still are, pretty much, set by the market, in its usual ruthless fashion. (Which is why James Carville said that after he dies, he "want[s] to come back as the bond market. You can intimidate everybody.")

When long-term interest rates are high, a federal deficit competes against and "crowds out" private borrowing and investment. When long-term interest rates are low, the federal deficit is not taking away from borrowing by the private sector. On the contrary, the federal deficit is acting as a needed boost to aggregate demand in the economy, an action also known as "fiscal policy." When the economy is slack, every dollar of reduction in federal spending takes three or four dollars off of our gross national product.

So, by that test, where are we? Well, as I explained last week, long-term U.S. interest rates are at their lowest in history. So what does that tell you about the deficit?

Sorry -- I didn't mention that there was going to be a quiz.

When Ronald Reagan was President, long-term interest rates sometimes exceeded 15 percent -- ten times as high as long-term interest rates today. The market was screaming at the top of its lungs that the Reagan deficit was too high. And today? Silence.

Look around the world. The 10-year note in Greece yields a little less than 30 percent. Pakistan, 13 percent. Portugal and Venezuela, 12 percent. In those countries, the bond market is shouting, "Cut that out!"

Not here.

Thanks to all the deficit-mongering by Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Fox "News," etc., a lot of Americans are scared by the federal deficit. The advice from Democratic pollsters is to go along with this hand-wringing. But there is an alternative: Explain to the American people when a federal deficit is bad, and when it is not.

Like I just did.

Courage,

Alan Grayson

 

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A few days ago, I was stuck in the car for a long drive. Because of the complete absence of progressive talk from Orlando's airwaves, I had no real choice but to listen to the nasal maundering of Mark...
A few days ago, I was stuck in the car for a long drive. Because of the complete absence of progressive talk from Orlando's airwaves, I had no real choice but to listen to the nasal maundering of Mark...
 
 
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12:46 PM on 07/18/2012
This is why deficits don't matter and why trillions missing from the Treasury http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o and no one is held accountable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbI_6m75wZU&feature=related
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FormerReaganite
Government Regulations Save Lives
08:19 PM on 06/11/2012
"Public sector jobs do not contribute to economic growth" (Rush Limbaugh)

Limbaugh is not thinking very deeply (does he ever?)

Economic growth is all about ADDED VALUE. The engine of economic growth is not just about building things and the manufacture of widgets. Education and public safety also generate economic growth, by adding VALUE, that is, an intangible that people WANT or NEED. Public sector employees provide much-needed services, therefore do indeed contribute to economic growth.

Take a course in ECON 101, Rush. Learn about goods and SERVICES and economic growth.
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efffox
The truth is NOT halfway between right and wrong
12:07 AM on 06/10/2012
Gawd I wish there were more Alan Grayson's in Congress - I guarantee the country would be far, far better off. People love progressive policies and will often run on them, but when they get the chance to implement those policies, they are weak and ineffective. They need to grow a spine like Alan Grayson!
05:55 PM on 06/10/2012
We need more Democrats like Alan Grayson.

Kicked out of Congress by the voters.
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george martini
I wasn't always this introverted.
10:21 PM on 06/09/2012
Thanks, that was a good explanation.
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10:10 PM on 06/09/2012
Interest Rates Change.
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ronkw
Molon labe
08:14 PM on 06/09/2012
RR had the economy growing, 4million jobs were created on his watch. Tax revenues FLOODED into the Treasury as a result
The deficit as a percent of GDP was much smaller then.

obama and the dems policies have created the inverse of RR,
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blinkthink
Bob Dole-Truthteller of the GOTP
09:21 PM on 06/09/2012
LOL-tax revenues come flooding in when RR raised taxes 11 times. Hey, maybe we should raise taxes now, like RR did.......especially on the corporate goombahs who are enjoying their record profits.
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littleolwinemakerme
Put A Cork In It!
11:53 PM on 06/09/2012
At least that's what Rush told me.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
07:32 PM on 06/09/2012
I think the story runs roughly thus: Government lies, books get cooked, details get obfuscated, public gets taken for ride, funds get mismanaged, some people get handsome retirements courtesy of the taxpayers, cycle repeats.
07:17 PM on 06/09/2012
As always, Mr. Grayson, a voice of progressive reason in a sea of right wing ignorance. Bravo.
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FormerReaganite
Government Regulations Save Lives
08:31 PM on 06/11/2012
That's why they want to do away with public school teachers, so they can indoctrinate kids in PRIVATE CORPORATE charter schools with rightwing capitalist ideals.
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
06:54 PM on 06/09/2012
I have all my fingers and toes crossed that Mr. Grayson will soon be an intelligent voice for Dems again this Nov. What I would like to see is a UNITED Dem party for once, standing together to do the things this country needs, and stop ceding ground to the crazies on the right. We see big money openly buying elections and lies being told over and over to people that aren't able to discern truth from fiction, for a variety of reasons. Keep up the good work Mr. Grayson, I sure wish you were from Tennessee!
Shiral
I'll take Hope over the GOP ANY day
07:49 PM on 06/09/2012
Oh man, ME TOO! We need more fighters like him!

Faved.
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FormerReaganite
Government Regulations Save Lives
08:44 PM on 06/11/2012
One problem: "uniting" Democrats is like trying to herd cats.
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06:26 PM on 06/09/2012
There is absolutely no way the massive National Debt can ever be paid off. The sum claimed is much greater because "Black Ops Budgets" are not disclosed to the public. If the taxpayer is expected to pay these deficits back, then to whom is the money owed - ourselves? IF China is financing the debt that keeps our government solvent, then in reality America is no longer a sovereign nation. If you are expected to obtain a college degree to succeed in life and you have to start out in such a deep financial hole upon graduation in a weak job market, how do governments realistically expect future generations to have discretionary income to stimulate the economy? Money is a fiat assigned a value, just like the money in the Monopoly Game till. Gold is no different and since it is bought and sold in dollars just as confidence based & technically worthless. Bailouts are Jubilees but the only entities receiving debt forgiveness are non-human such as Auto makers, banks, Insurance companies and European Union countries. Forgive consumer debt, offer free schooling and pass laws restricting inflation to 1% annually and the world economy will blast off.
11:18 PM on 06/09/2012
Sure, and let's pass a law capping gas at $1.00 a gallon, while we are creating our world of no supply.
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FormerReaganite
Government Regulations Save Lives
08:39 PM on 06/11/2012
You cannot restrict inflation by decree (Nixon tried this) but you CAN boost taxes on billionaires. This will "prime the pump" of economic growth, without increasing the national debt. The deficit takes care of itself, as people return to work, and resume paying taxes.

This insane tax-cutting and austerity is just driving the economy right off of the cliff. The more taxes are cut, the weaker the economy gets. Why don't people see this fact?
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09:46 PM on 06/12/2012
Creating class warfare contributes to the problem. Every single tax dollar already goes to paying the interest on the National Debt and there aren't that many billionaires out there. The entire GNP cannot pay the interest on the National Debt, so how do people think it will ever be paid back by raising taxes? If you put the business owners out of business then how do you create jobs? Consumer spending is what stimulates the economy and taxing any economic sector reduces discretionary spending. No matter how arrogant some wealthy people are they still should not be punished for being successful. The government does not need to collect any taxes because they print the money and assign its value; all they have to do is print what they need to operate. The only thing that backs U.S. currency is the confidence of the people, other than that the only other thing it is good for is wiping your butt. If you want to reduce spending, go to a paperless & coinless electronic transactions. The purpose of government is to serve its citizenry. You can decree anything you want! If the majority demands it they dang better do it or they are re-called or voted out in the next election. The problem is there is no united voice because of voter loyalty to two political parties diametrically opposed. They prop each other up and keep the current system from changing.
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tnkeating
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06:21 PM on 06/09/2012
Perhaps deficits don't matter to you Alan or Dick, but it seems the people you propose to work for, it does matter. It really doesn't matter what you think, you are beholding to your constituents and their wishes, not the lobbyist, or super pacs, or even the DNC. You do remember them right, you out spent your opponent by 5 times and they still booted you out after one term. Isn't that a fundamentally historical event?
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kjohney
trust me... I'm liberal.
07:35 PM on 06/09/2012
I'm sure tnkeating was raging against the Republican debt machine all through the Reagan/Bush years too. Not just since Obama came to town. Of course Reagan doubled the national deficit to remedy a mild recession. Bush I nearly doubled Reagan's deficit to remedy.... well, something. And Bush II nearly doubled that deficit to fund a couple of super-necessary wars while cutting taxes for those who needed it most: the uber-wealthy.
While Obama hasn't come close to doubling the deficit, other than staving off total economic collapse, what excuse does he have?
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Dan Masters
06:02 PM on 06/09/2012
Nixon taught them how to lie and steal, Reagan taught them how to get away with it, Rove taught them how to blame their crimes on the Democrats, and half of America believes the Bible says its true.
07:18 PM on 06/09/2012
#7.
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want some Ayn Rand with those fries?
07:29 PM on 06/09/2012
Fanned!
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fanofariana
Rooting for Obama
04:49 PM on 06/09/2012
In fact, the cost of just the Bush tax cuts ($1.8 trillion) exceeds the costs of all spending under Obama ($1.4 trillion).

The final tally--$5.07 trillion of spending under Bush, $1.44 trillion under Obama. By the way, those figures for Obama are projections from 2009 to 2017. In other words, both presidents are being judged in eight-year time frames. And Bush "wins" the spending contest in a runaway.

If my math is correct, spending under Bush was more than three times greater than that under Obama. Yet we still get bilge like this from the blog of U.S. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA): "President Obama Refuses To Acknowledge That His Out Of Control Spending Sparked A Debt Crisis."
http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2011/07/bush-vs-obama-on-spending-its-no.html
05:48 PM on 06/09/2012
What was the cost of the Obama tax cuts? Or did you want us to believe there were no such thing?
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angry in ct
You can't fight in here, this is the war room
07:20 PM on 06/09/2012
You mean the Bush tax cuts that President Obama had to extend in order to stop the neobaggerpublicans from whining about how we shouldn't tax the "job creators"?

Not to mention continuing unemployment benefits for those who aren't in the 1%.
07:33 PM on 06/09/2012
obama agreed to the extension in '10 there really is no comparison
06:14 PM on 06/09/2012
Spending is $3.82 trillion this year, 10 years ago is was $1.9 trillion.

Play with the numbers all you want but the fact is we have DOUBLED SPENDING in the past decade and people like Grayson claim it's just a revenue problem.

BTW, the Bush Tax Cuts are also the Obama Tax Cuts. He extended them and if you want to compare Barack Obama to George Bush on fiscal issues . . . we know he isn't doing very well because Bush may be the most fiscally irresponsible President ever. Being slightly better than Bush is not a plus, it's a travesty.
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06:23 PM on 06/09/2012
Oh, I'm so glad to see someone giving Obama credit for a cut in taxes. That's nice.
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fanofariana
Rooting for Obama
06:53 PM on 06/09/2012
Well I gave you the link......It's not MY numbers.
04:49 PM on 06/09/2012
Well, there is truth to that. There is a factor unconsidered Alan. When the government is up to "several" Quantitative Squeezings, flooding the economy with cheaper and cheaper dollars while interest rates are kept artificially low for extended periods of time, doesn't that invite inflation and hyperinflation? Once hyperinflation kicks in what's a government to do but raise interest rates dramatically and quickly? Then, you factor in that even the staunchest budget hawks are not offering real cuts, but fake ones that marginally stiffle the built-in growth of baseline budgeting, and they cannot get even those passed. When they try the moaning and whining are palatable.

No, deficits are a problem when the government has squandered completely the trust of people. That explains the longterm trends in the gold and dollar markets, respectively. No trust, no history of doing what's right.
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Gudrun
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06:25 PM on 06/09/2012
People have been warning of hyperinflation since Obama's first day in office. Why don't we have it, I wonder?
11:31 PM on 06/09/2012
That's really a good question. it would be the Fed's fault, not Obama's, since they are the ones printing money around the clock. Where are all those Trillions of dollars from TARP, and QE1 and QE2? Let's hope they don't start showing up all at once. if they do, inflation will kick in, interest rates will have to go up, and the national debt will become a huge problem as interest payments start to crowd out all other spending.
01:50 PM on 06/10/2012
It's coming unless we quit printing and borrowing. It's inevitable, but I never try and time a market.
11:21 PM on 06/10/2012
Have you ever heard of the Great Depresson? Or read about it? I laugh when I hear people like you talk about inflation. How do you hold inflation "artificially low" while at the same time flooding cheap dollars into the economies. Once HPER-INFLATION kicks in.....ha ha ha. You have no idea what's going on right now in the economy and neither do the people too whom you are listening. Many do and you should listen to them or do some research.

The dollar is rising and gold is now at 1594 but was at 2000. Does that sound like inflation.
http://www.kitco.com/market/

I know it is hard to listen to FAUX and FAUX bidness channel and then try looking at real facts. "Thinking is hard work" ...Bush.
10:11 AM on 06/11/2012
You didn't read my comment very well. Guess you were laughing too hard.

You should stop the condescension. It's gonna bite you in the butt one day.
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
02:39 PM on 06/09/2012
If President Obama hid the both wars and the Bush tax cuts plus the HCR out of the national debt the president would be in  the black, but some how President Obama wants to do the responsible thing and pay for the national debt  and not burden the next President coming into the White House!
02:47 PM on 06/09/2012
"but some how President Obama wants to do the responsible thing and pay for the national debt"

How is President Obama paying for the national debt again?

He has yet to have a deficit under $1 trillion.
03:27 PM on 06/09/2012
Operative phrasing: "WANTS to do." But the fact is that the President doesn't write the budget; he offers his suggestions, and CONGRESS creates the budget and votes on it. So if there are deficits, look to Congress. And if you want to reduce the deficit, call for tax increases on those whose tax rates are at an historic low. Rule #1 for reducing debt: increase revenue.
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BlueKoi
You can’t teach an old dogma new tricks.
06:24 PM on 06/09/2012
Really? And what was the debt that Bush left officce with? Remember to factor in the 2 wars Bush kept off the books and that Obama put on the books. Also, right before Obama took office and the months after the election the GOP started piling up massive debt that it could blame Obama for when he took office. It was the GOPs "Poison Pill"