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President Had Time to Consult with International Community, Not Congress?

Posted: 03/29/11 12:38 PM ET

Last night the President said it took one month to put together a response to the situation in Libya. During that time the President consulted with 28 member nations of NATO, 22 member nations of the Arab league and 15 members of the UN Security Council, ten of whom approved the resolution. There was also time for extensive coordination with France and Great Britain. The President had time to consult with the international community, but had no time to come to the United States Congress?

There is no question that the administration should have followed the Constitution and received the approval of Congress before starting a war. Consulting with a few members is not the same thing as following the Constitutional requirements of Article 1, Section 8.

Further complicating the administration's failure to come to Congress prior to ordering an attack is the fact that our primary partners in the war against Libya, France and Great Britain, had, according to a French military website, planned certain war games which now may have significance.

On November 2, 2010 France and Great Britain signed a mutual defense treaty, which paved the way for joint participation in a military exercise called 'Southern Mistral'. While war games are not uncommon, the similarities between 'Southern Mistral' and 'Operation Odyssey Dawn' highlight just how many unanswered questions remain regarding our own military planning for Libya.

The 'Southern Mistral' war games called for Great Britain-French air strikes against an unnamed dictator of a fictional country, "Southland." The pretend attack was authorized by a pretend United Nations Security Council Resolution. The 'Southern Mistral' war games were set for March 21-25, 2011.

On March 19, 2011, the United States joined France and Great Britain in an air attack against Muammar Gaddafi's Libya pursuant to UN Security Council Resolution 1973.

Scheduling a joint military exercise that ends up resembling real military action could be seen as remarkable planning by the French and British, but it also highlights questions regarding the United States' role in planning for the war. We don't know how long the attack on Libya has been in preparation, but Congress must find out. We don't know who the rebels really represent and how they became armed, but Congress must find out.

With so many unknowns, Congress' only path to protect both the Constitution and the institution of government of the people is to cut off funds for the war in Libya. A cutoff of funds would require the president to follow the Constitutional process with respect to going to war. He would have to seek Congressional approval.

Otherwise, we will have given our tacit consent to a policy that undercuts Congress' constitutionally-mandated role as a coequal branch of government. Moreover, since the Founders established Congress under Article 1 and the Executive under Article 2, Congress is first among equals, unless we refuse to be.

That is why I will propose an amendment to the next continuing resolution or omnibus appropriations bill that would prevent any U.S. funds from being used for the war in Libya.

 

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12:58 PM on 03/30/2011
I'm writing in your name for President in 2012. Obama is as much a war criminal as Bush is.
12:38 PM on 03/30/2011
Rep. Kucinich, please do feel free to inform us - did the House ever even briefly consider the idea of *not* taking their monthly, week long vacation when they knew that the US was on the brink of military action in Libya? Was that somehow not important enough to stay in town for a vote? Perhaps the Libyans should have suspended their civil war long enough for you all to get back from the beach? If Congress needs to vote on this, then Congress should get off their padded rear ends and vote - If they can't or won't, that is not technically the CinC's problem under War Powers.

And suggesting that Southern Mistral was somehow a dress rehearsal for no-fly zone operations is egregiously misleading. Southern Mistral was planned as a single long-range strike operation, not a long-term interdiction. The minor similarities are not nearly as important as the gigantic glaring difference.
12:22 PM on 03/30/2011
I don't know about the House, but the Senate addressed it.
Senate Resolution 85 on Mar. 1 (reported by Lawrence O'Donnell)
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Drew Sargent
Born-again human here
11:54 AM on 03/30/2011
The U.S. Security Council are a group of rational people Dennis. To politically fight Congress on this life-saving issue would have cost the lives of many innocent people. Look in the mirror!
09:14 AM on 03/30/2011
I want Barack Obama to succeed.

Not because he's a democrat.

Not because he's the coolest MF on the planet.

But because he's right and he's MY President. He's MY country !

I'm not a blind supporter. But some things are NOT up for political debate. Some things have no political texture or place. They simply demand leadership beyond politics.

JFK learned the hard way about the level of leadership the job requires. He got lucky and he traded key missle sites and military position in Turkey to prevent wholescale war with Russia but he never backed down.

Diplomacy combined with strength and righteousness is what America brings to the table in this situation. Thank God we elected Barack Obama. Thank 51% of the American citizens who elected this man and his family to lead the free world. We got it right this time.

Dennis YOU should be helping make this a proud moment for Americans and for our President in his time of need. Instead of firing political shots at him while the fascist GOP spam the media with any king of monkey feces they can sling hoping it will stick on the man's resume.

We need you Mr. Kucinich. Please help us build America back from the disgusting place GW Bush took us.

We need you.

God bless Barack Obama.
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Osmona
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09:58 AM on 03/30/2011
EXCELLENT!!! I truly agree with YOU. Thank you

Fanned & Faved
02:11 PM on 03/30/2011
" want Barack Obama to succeed.

Not because he's a democrat.

Not because he's the coolest MF on the planet.

But because he's right and he's MY President. He's MY country ! "

You're not a blind supporter? ROFL! If you were any more in love with obama they would have to surgically attach those kneepads!

We didn't elect his family to anything.

I hope you retain this level of patriotism for the republican who beats obama in 2012.
02:27 PM on 03/30/2011
My level of patriotism isn't contingent upon who is president.

The Presidency is a package deal. If you don't realize that then go back in history and extract the First Lady from any decision or discussion or involvement in affairs of state and see the horrific changes that occurr our country.

I take issue with you and your alias. Truth is for God and small children. There is only perception and everyone has one. A wise adult would have thought this through more clearly.

What else ya got ?
09:01 AM on 03/30/2011
Dennis -

1. Gaddafi's regime horde would have overwhelmed the rebel defense forces in two weeks or less.
2. We obviously had sufficient accurate intelligence to see this coming months ago.
3. There are significant energy resources in Libya that are 'at risk' which if destroyed could present a grave threat to U.S. interests.
4. If the President waited for Congress to agree he would have single handedly failed the American people in protecting our interests abroad along with our allies, and the rebel forces who are willing to and are dying for a democratic change to a dictatorship ruled by a creature of horror.
5. We did not violate the War Powers Act of 1973. Go back and read it again. It's not a black and white document devoid of Executive discretion as Commander in Chief.

If this military action is successful in assisting the rebel forces we can say Barack Obama did the following:

1. Acted with Presidential wisdom, speed and acuity under the worst duress.
2. Prevented wholescale genocide in Libya.
3. Took the first step in building a democratic ally with rebel factions in Libya.
4. Secured our energy interest both physical and financial
5. Upheld the greatest assets of America : Freedom and Democracy.
6. Helped remove a dictator from further atrocities against the world. He's a terrorist supporter.
7. Helped support the Nato alliance, and diplomacy worldwide acting as the Leader of Democracy in the world.

I want him to succeed. He's MY Country.
11:15 AM on 03/30/2011
what if Bush had done in in 2008? Would you be saying the same?

Somehow I doubt it.
12:23 PM on 03/30/2011
If Bush had gone inwith the those same reasons, yes. But he didn't. He went in on the sole premiss "that they might have bombs".
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cabinetmaniac
Think for yourself. Question authority.
07:30 AM on 03/30/2011
Good job Dennis.

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Gray Mouser
Former Republican
04:43 AM on 03/30/2011
We are not at war. Ipso facto, no need to consult congress.
06:08 AM on 03/30/2011
War Powers Act of 1973 specifies that approval by congress must be met for aggressive military action. Besides which, if lobbing over 100 cruise missiles at a sovereign nation does not constitute war, but rather 'peace keeping' in your book the 2+2 must really equal 5. Comments such as yours are to be expected of corporate bought politicians, but for a ordinary citizen to parrot it is just plain sad.
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cabinetmaniac
Think for yourself. Question authority.
07:33 AM on 03/30/2011
"We are not at war."

Minipax has spoken.

08:43 AM on 03/30/2011
Gray Mouser is correct. We are not "at war", the President is protecting the foreign interests of America and has no plans to be incountry with forces for an extended period of time.

I served and I can attest to the power of The Commander in Chief. Civilians tend to not fully grasp the full capacity of what it means to be "Commander" of the entire U.S. Armed Forces and leader of the free world.

War Powers was drafted to preclude extended conflict or combat involving whole countries assets not just a regime change that takes about 30 days.

I understand your concern. Everyone is sensitive about military commitment since the Bush years of committing treasonous acts against the country and violating international laws with beligerant disregard but Barack is not doing that and he's not GW Bush & Co.
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cabinetmaniac
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07:31 AM on 03/30/2011
Nothing to see here,

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Not at war?

Did I warp over to the comedy section?

11:16 AM on 03/30/2011
It must be a man made disaster or one of those overseas contingency operations.
02:46 AM on 03/30/2011
Yeah well, maybe that was because the International community actually has a clue --whether the intervention is right or not, they use their brains.

Which is more than can be said for the current Congress of cretins.
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glddraco
02:43 AM on 03/30/2011
Kucinich are you truly so blind as not to realize that your beloved congress is filled with the party of No? They would have bickered back and forth with the democrats and thus two weeks to a month would have passed, perhaps longer before anything would happen.
06:16 AM on 03/30/2011
Great argument, 'We know they'd disagree so we just won't let them vote." Classic. Like civics class in the gulag.
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Michael Ives
10:31 PM on 03/29/2011
US Constitution Article 1, Section 8: Powers Of Congress: "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning
Captures on Land and Water;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress
Insurrections and repel Invasions;
12:26 PM on 03/30/2011
Well, since we are not doing any of those things, no problem then.
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iwinagin
10:20 PM on 03/29/2011
I'm sure he would have consulted with congress if time wasn't so pressing. I mean really the guy only has about 40 more years to live. It takes congress longer than that to decide if they should adjourn for lunch. Even then they send it to a committee who puts it in an omnibus spending bill in order to gaurantee that the issue will never be debated.
10:06 PM on 03/29/2011
Our representatives in Congress have the duty and the responsibility to have the President, not consult, but ask the Congress', and therefore the people's, permission to go to war.

Enough of this imperial Presidency, which the founders did not intent.

The Congress is not only the 1st branch among equals but is the preeminent branch.

It's time to remind the President and his ignorant and un-American supporters.
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Gray Mouser
Former Republican
04:45 AM on 03/30/2011
We are not at war.

Nothing different than what your hero bush would have done, eh?
06:21 AM on 03/30/2011
Oh yes, we are at peace. How utterly presumptuous of you to assume Bush is Poboy's hero. Many THINKING people in this country opposed Bush's Iraq invasion (based upon its illegality) AND oppose Obama's invasion (based upon its illegality). Rule of law is the foundation of our society, and no man, hero or not, is above it.
10:05 PM on 03/29/2011
Greetings Honorable Kucinich,

I whole heartily disagree with your observation that the President had time to consult Congress about his decision to participate in a international effort on Libya. Quit frankly between his busy schedule preparing for his next election to his trip to South America, not to mention having to keep up with his NCAA tournament bracket, there was no time for him to perform his duty under the War Powers Act-that is why he sent you a letter after the fact...

Warm regards,

Michael Winters

Warm regards,

Michael Winters
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11:56 PM on 03/29/2011
Oh, man, and here I thought you guys were done with the "brackets" meme.
09:29 PM on 03/29/2011
As usual, Dennis is right.