Waterboarding is Drowning, Waterboarding is Torture

Posted November 27, 2007 | 11:14 PM (EST)



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Torture and waterboarding have become part of our national dialogue, with the recent confirmation hearings of Attorney General Michael Mukasey highlighting concerns that many Americans have about how our government treats detainees. While Mr. Mukasey's careful answers to questions about whether or not waterboarding is torture left many things unclear, one fact is not: Congress must act to ensure that our government's interrogation practices reflect American values of human dignity, fairness, and the rule of law.

That is why we introduced the "American Anti-Torture Act of 2007." Our bill ensures that when interrogating detainees, all agencies follow the standards of conduct contained in the Army Field Manual. The Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 -- also known as the "McCain Amendment" -- requires the Department of Defense to adhere to the Army Field Manual; our proposal merely extends this requirement to all other agencies, including the CIA.

We are deeply committed to making America safer and to locating and disrupting terrorist networks. These are bipartisan priorities. Contrary to the tenor of this debate, they are not within the exclusive domain of either party or the administration.

We understand the critical role that intelligence plays in helping us achieve these goals. But torture and cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment, besides being contrary to American values and traditions, have not proven to be effective in obtaining actionable intelligence. Current and former members of the military have made this clear. Indeed, General David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, recently wrote in an open letter to U.S. troops that the standards in the Army Field Manual, "work effectively and humanely in eliciting information from detainees." In the same letter, he stated that those that argue that torture would be more effective are "wrong."

Despite this, we often hear the argument that torture yields valuable information, and that this justifies its continued use. Ignored is the fact that we've also gotten and relied upon false information, with devastating consequences. In making the case to invade Iraq, for example, the administration relied upon the fabricated claim that Iraq trained al Qaeda members to use biochemical weapons. This claim was made after the detainee was subjected to two weeks of "enhanced" interrogation, and finally "broke" after being waterboarded and forced to stand naked in his cold cell overnight while being doused with cold water at regular intervals.

The Bush administration has long argued that it does not torture. But this is the same administration that requested and received secret legal opinions apparently concluding that techniques like waterboarding are not torture. Waterboarding is not "simulated drowning." It is drowning. It involves restraining a detainee -- usually by strapping him or her to a board -- with the head placed lower than the feet. The face or mouth is often covered or stuffed with rags and water is poured over the face to force inhalation. The victim's lungs fill with water until the procedure is stopped or the victim dies. Waterboarding has been considered torture -- even by our own government -- until recently. Indeed, we prosecuted Japanese officers for subjecting prisoners to waterboarding in World War II.

Torture is inconsistent with our democratic principles of freedom. It is un-American. And it places our service men and women, and our allies, at grave risk. We must accept that whatever we authorize and use against our enemies may be turned against us.

It is no wonder that countless current and former military officials have all called for the White House to renounce torture -- and not just through careful wordplay. It is time for Congress to clarify that waterboarding is torture and against the law. The "American Anti-Torture Act of 2007" accomplishes this by requiring adherence to the Army Field Manual, which expressly prohibits waterboarding. We were pleased when the House included our bill as part of the Orderly and Responsible Iraq Redeployment Appropriations Act, adopted on November 14, 2007. Now, it is time for the Senate to act, and join us in renouncing torture. Permitting the CIA and other government agencies to torture does not make us safer. It makes us less free.

Congressman Jerrold Nadler is the Chair of the Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties and Congressman Bill Delahunt is the Chair of the Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights and Oversight.

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Waterboarding is but the tip of the iceberg. Torture techniques have evolved far beyond waterboarding. It is torture, every nation on the planet would use torture if it felt it was necessary to pry information from a stubborn uncooperative prisioner of war. The Geneva convention becomes a worthless piece of paper, just like the constitution, a mere hinderence to getting the job done. The very fabric of civilised society is being eroded by these illegal and barbaric acts, those who are pledged to protect against these abuses are failing to do their duty, and in so doing, are bringing great shame and dishonour upon the fallen patriots who fought so courageously to safeguard all that we hold dear!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 12/02/2007

What is waterboarding? Waterboarding is a red herring. Waterboarding is what they WANT us to talk about. Waterboarding is the magician's sleigh of hand to direct your attention one way so you don't notice what he's doing with his other hand. How many people have been tortured to death at the hands of the U.S. government? How many people have been 'disappeared'? What was meant by that announcement several years ago that we were going to 'El Salvadorize' Iraq, said shortly before the first bodies began found floating down the Euphrates? Did WE start Iraq's spiral of sectarian violence? Waterbarding is the tip of the iceberg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 12/02/2007

Congressmen, thank you for your efforts. but how about challenging the Constitutionality of the ex-post-facto war-crimes pardons built into the Military Commissions Act also.
Otherwise, it seems like your just passing contradictory legislation and pushing the decision of legality further down the road to a time when the two Laws collide, anyway.

WE HAVE laws that were broken NOW, war crimes that were committed NOW, they just need to be investigated and prosecuted. I'm given to understand WE even, as a nation, EXECUTED Japanese soldiers and officers FOR TORTURE.

WHY is new law needed that will ONLY prosecute people guilty of this capital crime from this point forward? To help let the already guilty off the hook just like the MCA does?

Don't get me wrong, Congressmen, it's good to make it known what is to be defined as criminal, but I think it FAR BETTER to investigate and prosecute what is ALREADY CRIMINAL! It was NEVER really about what the Army did or their manual says, it's REALLY ABOUT what all those 'other agents' of OUR Government, particularly civilian types, have done in OUR name.

And. I'm also pretty sure having another country do your torture for you is STILL COMMITTING A CRIME too, not to mention as underhandedly chickenshnitz as it gets.

Food for thought, gentlemen...
I'll give the benefit of doubt and suppose you're doing what you can. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 12/02/2007

I thank you both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 12/02/2007

We didn't win WWII by rounding up and gassing Jews. We won't win this thing with torture. I used to think that the fact that we didn't torture and they did was one of the reasons we will eventually prevail in this, um, struggle. Ditto treatment of gang rape victims, ditto the freedom to name teddy bears whatever. Now, however, I'm not so sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 AM on 12/02/2007

I am astonished that we're even having this 'debate'. And I am sickened that a candidate for President of the United States would -- instead of standing firmly against torture -- say "I don't think it's wise for us to describe specifically which measures we would and would not use."

Can anyone tell me what this country stands for anymore?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 11/29/2007

Yes, whatever dubious, albeit immediate, information we gain from torture, we lose in our humanity and moral standing in the world. Too fight such a fight must we become like our enemies? If so, we have already lost. Let's not shed our democratic principles for anyone- not even George Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 11/28/2007

This is a crisis, and the immediate focus must be on stopping further use of torture by the United States. If passage of a law like the American Anti-Torture Act will help to accomplish that, then so be it. Punishment of those who have violated our laws will, I believe, come. But in the meantime, we have to take all possible steps to stop further offenses. It is as if one came upon an arsonist setting a house on fire. The first priority is preventing injury or death to those in the house. Then you chase the arsonist.
In addition, it would seem simple to place saving language in the bill specifically stating that its passage is consistent with existing law prohibiting torture, and that it may not be cited to support any claim that torture has ever been lawful under the laws or Constitution of the United States.
From the posts, it appears that many people are gravely concerned about this issue, but feel absolutely powerless to affect change. One way is to let our elected officials and the candidates know that we will not support, and will actively work against, any individual who does not take the necessary steps to stop the use of torture by the United States. Not a cent to any of them.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 11/28/2007

This despicable administration is hiding behind a veil of secrecy the likes of which we've never seen, which simply means, none of the protections your bill "provides" are verifiable. The CIA operates in the shadows as well, and thus the same is true there...there is no verifiable way to enforce this bill. This bill however, is not intended to stop anything. It's intended to meet political goals only, not humanitarian goals. It's about looking good, not doing good. It's far too little, far too late. Torture is going on in our name right now...and it NEEDS TO STOP!!!

There's no need for further legislation. The law is clear, torture is illegal, immoral, unethical and perverse. Writing method specific legislation regarding torture is equivalent to making stabbing to death or shooting to death, illegal, rather than just making murder illegal. The laws against the general crime of murder are more than sufficient to cover every method, as are the laws against the general crime of torture. If we allow this pack of lying murderers to lead us along this path, there will be no end to further elaboration of laws against this or that method of torture. This is not only not necessary, it is counterproductive to the issue of stopping torture now.

Playing nice with torturers is the path to hell. This administration long since embraced torture as a standard tool of state sponsored terrorism, that also, on the plus side for them, satisfied their deep sadism, and they won't stop until they are stopped. And this stupid legislation does nothing whatsoever to stop them. It just enables them further. They are relentless criminals, and this lame attempt at placation is reminiscent of Neville Chamberlain and Adolf Hitler. Placating tyrants does not work. The only thing that stops them is direct action, with the goal of physically restraining them from further torture, mayhem and murder. More words will not only do nothing, they'll embolden the criminals to carry out further atrocities against humanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 11/28/2007

it's ok if the great lordly duhbyuh breaks HUGE WORLD IMPACTING laws... as long as there's no evidence he broke his marriage vows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 11/28/2007
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