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Chick-fil-A, Sex and 'Unprotexcted Texts'

Posted: 02/10/11 10:00 PM ET

One of the joys of returning to South Carolina for a visit (my home state) is a stop at Chick-fil-A. Their plain old chicken sandwich and a sweet tea can send me to heaven. I've always known they were owned by a Christian family and, frankly, I like that they close on Sundays. I'm old enough to remember when more stores did (of course, that often was enforced by law) and I think a voluntary day off from shopping and commercialism isn't too much to ask. But I was sad to hear the company recently donated food to an anti-gay marriage group. Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy said the contribution was made because the company believes in a "Biblical definition of marriage."

Mr. Cathy ought to read Unprotected Texts: The Bible's Surprising Contradictions About Sex and Desire, the new book from Boston University's Jennifer Wright Knust. This American Baptist pastor and scholar notes that: "When it comes to marriage, biblical laws are almost entirely contradictory." In short, the one "Biblical definition of marriage" that Chick-fil-A wants to promote doesn't exist.

As I've preached, how we read the Bible matters. It is not to be taken literally. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, argued that Christian faith required one to bring Scripture, reason, experience and tradition to the table when trying to discern the will of God. Chick-fil-A is offering fast-food theology to a world that needs more than a bumper sticker understanding of the divine.

In a recent post for The Washington Post's "On Faith" blog, Knust wrote:

If we do take the time to read the Bible, we are likely to discover that the biblical writers do not agree with us, whatever version of sexual morality we are seeking to promote. Written more than 2,000 years ago at a significant historical and cultural distance, the Bible gathers together a diverse collection of ancient books, edited over time, not a coherent, divinely inspired set of instructions that can easily be applied. Tracing even a few, limited topics from one biblical book to another can make the point: If one book forbids marriage between foreigners and Israelites, the next depicts such marriages as a source of blessing, not only to Israel but to all of humankind. If one insists that women are saved by childbearing, the next recommends that women avoid childbearing altogether in order to devote themselves more fully to God. If one suggests that sex with a relative, the wife of another man, or with a male lover will certainly lead to the nation's downfall, the next depicts heroic kings engaging in precisely these forms of sex. And these are just a few examples.

Knust offers the same argument in her book -- with more detail (including a series of charts that compare teachings on marriage and divorce in Mark, Matthew and Luke).

And if fundamentalist believers find themselves shocked to read what Knust writes about marriage ("Collected together, diverse sayings on divorce, remarriage, adultery, husbands, and wives in Mark, Matthew and Luke offer not one teaching but several"), they'll be even more shocked to learn that sex can be, well, fun and that it doesn't even need to be between two married people or even between people of the same gender (read the "love affair' of Ruth and Naomi) Yep, that's in Holy Scripture.

Knust notes the sexual imagery in the Song of Songs...

Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth! For your love is better than wine, your anointing oils are fragrant, your name is perfume poured out; therefore the maidens love you. -- Song of Songs 1:2-3 9NRSV

...and writes:

The Song of Songs is a poem, and, as such, interpretation is left open ... Nevertheless, both the poem's beauty and its force of depend upon sensual arousal and the awakening of erotic sentiments. And interestingly enough, once awakened, desire -- not marriage or childbearing -- remains the focus. Voluntary intimacy and pleasure are the goal of these lovers, and social norms appear to be irrelevant to the delight they intend to pursue.

Knust writes, "The Bible is complicated enough, ancient enough, and flexible enough to support an almost endless set of interpretive agendas." That may be true, in part. Taken as a whole, the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament offer (for me) a vision of covenant. My sense is that covenant includes within our relationships between one another and with God that we should, in Paul's words, be subject to one another out of love. That doesn't mean we have an anything-goes faith without rules or boundaries. In fact, the opposite is true. You cannot, for example, abandon your family and remain in covenant with God or your relatives. Justice and compassion are central to Christanity. Yet, not all teachings from scripture should be practiced today (if they were, we'd still own slaves, as sanctioned in the Bible).

Knust encourages interpretation:

Nowadays, the sense that reading scripture is a creative, imaginative act has too often been lost, despite the creativity it took for New Testament writers and early Christians to claim that the law and the prophets are, when read correctly, all about Jesus Christ. Paul, Matthew, Inenaeus, and Origen came to the Bible with convictions about what should be found in its pages and, employing a variety of interpretative methods, they found what they wanted. But, unlike many contemporary readers, they did not attempt to hide their interpretative work. ... They did not assume that quoting a few choice verse out of context could serve as sufficient proof of what the entire Bible says and therefore of what God says as well.

There is so much to learn still from God and Scripture. What is frightening are those voices who claim that all answers have been given, that truth never changes and that they are not interpreting the word of God but simply reporting it. Nothing could be less accurate. But those voices and their churches help set public policy around sex education and marriage, for example, that hurt rather than help and, I believe, strike at the heart of the Greatest Commandment: "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: "You shall love your neighbour as yourself" (Matthew 22 NRSV), which should guide all our debates, decisions and personal interactions.

We can all benefit from having our assumptions challenged once and awhile. Chick-fil-A's Dan Cathy ought to read this book. Not because he should agree with it all but because it might help challenge his assumptions about the Bible and marriage and offer him and his company a better understanding of why so many are offended by those who use the Bible to promote legal discrimination against others who may differ from us.

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Bill J4321
01:54 PM on 02/14/2011
Yikes.

People discussing a book of fables from the Bronze Age as if there is anything relevant about it in today's world. Scary.

But even scarier?

A discussion about that very book and whether or not we can continue to use that book to justify the mass-abuse of the citizens we do not like.

I'd laugh, but in reality ~ it ain't so funny.
01:38 PM on 02/12/2011
Yet another so-called Reverend engaging in a feel-good form of tolerance than actually teaching the scriptures according to the texts and in light of tradition. Currie cites Knust to give credibility to his position of confusing an ideal (marriage between men and women) with the culture/societal norms in which the original texts were communicated. Just because a man married the wife of his dead brother, or a man had a wife and concubines doesn't disprove the ideal or lead to contradiction. A man has sex prior to marriage or Paul encourages people to stay unmarried, again, doesn't disprove the ideal of a man and woman being married.

For a Reverend and a so-called "scholar" not being able to recognize both scriptural and cultural context to justify their (personal) beliefs in a contemporary situation is scary.
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Roy E Pearson
A man in search of the right questions.
02:12 AM on 02/14/2011
What is wrong with a "feel-good form of tolerance", what do you offer, a feel-bad form of intolerance.

I do not think that either Currie or Knust were trying to disprove the ideal of a man and woman being married. Not only is that an ideal is happens to be the norm. I think the thrust of their argument is that same gender sexual activity in a committed relationship is not a sin.
02:40 PM on 02/16/2011
As a man married to a woman, my intention was never to disapprove to goodness of marriage between men and women and I have a hard time understanding why anyone would think that. But I do not believe same sex relationships are sinful and I look forward to the day when our gay and lesbian friends have the same legal rights that my wife and I do.
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Bill J4321
01:56 PM on 02/14/2011
Judge not lest ye be judged? Ever hear that one, DJ?

Someone said that. It was either Soupy Sales or Jesus.
09:30 PM on 02/11/2011
While the Bible uses poetry, prophetic symbols and different forms of speech, there is a lot of text that is meant to be taken literally. I think it is our responsibility as Christians to figure out how to study the Bible and study how to understand it and apply it. Frankly the frequent excuses made by some of my fellow Christians on this site to dismiss the Bible's teachings on sexual matters deserves the same criticisms that are often leveled at Christians who dismiss the Bible's teachings on caring for the poor. I know that some scripture is not as clear as others, but many are clear enough and further understanding can be gained with some effort. I have found that most "apparent" contradictions aren't really contradictions at all and can be reconciled rationally. I'll try to check out the author's book if it comes to the library, but frankly her use of the example of Ruth to substantiate her belief that the Bible endorses premarital sex gives me little confidence in how she will handle other verses in her book.
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04:18 AM on 02/12/2011
There is no pre-marital sex in the book of Ruth,
Chuck seems to mention in the article that a love affair was between Naomi and Ruth? There is more direct facts about chicken than the bible.
02:14 PM on 02/12/2011
I agree. Is chicken even mentioned in the Bible? :)
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gal416
is a Bible verse † † †
09:28 PM on 02/11/2011
Knust ought to read Dr. J. Vernon McGee's "Thru The Bible" series. It would change her mind.
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Roy E Pearson
A man in search of the right questions.
02:27 AM on 02/14/2011
Why? Do you believe that people do not all agree just because some of them just don't have the correct information?
03:19 AM on 03/26/2011
I would seriously doubt it. I'm not one to lend any credibility to a book with a title spelt like it's a fast food religion for people too busy to stop and get out of their car to pay attention to the Lord. It's not that difficult to spell "Through", and it looks less stupid.
08:26 PM on 02/11/2011
Each person may support the causes they prefer.
08:22 PM on 02/11/2011
The Bible does not promote gay intercourse or gay marriage.
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Roy E Pearson
A man in search of the right questions.
02:31 AM on 02/14/2011
I don't think the Bible promotes a lot of things that are perfectly OK to do. What is your point. Neither Knust or Currie say the Bible promotes Gay sex or gay marriage. I think they are promoting tolerance among peoples. It is not like being gay is something that one can be talked into.
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Bill J4321
02:00 PM on 02/14/2011
Nor does it promote any of the 'sins' that Nathaneal Green participates in daily.

But I don't hear Nathaneal Green advocating for his own limited freedoms because of what appears in the bible about the sins Nathaneal Green commits daily.

And there's the rub, Nathaneal Green.

When one uses the bible to condemn another, one is actually condemning himself.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
08:16 PM on 02/11/2011
Chic fil a needs to decide if it is a church, or a place of buisness. I like their food, but their buisness practices are really crappy.
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Ytrus
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01:27 PM on 02/11/2011
Religion and prejudice go together hand in hand. When you're willing to believe things simply because your parents believed them, and not because of what the evidence says, then this is the natural result.
05:31 PM on 02/11/2011
You do realize that your comment itself amounts to religious bigotry, right? Religion and prejudice do not go hand in hand. For Christians, Jesus was a figure who broke down barriers and welcomed all to the table.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
08:19 PM on 02/11/2011
Oh youre one of those Look to Jesus not the people christians. Let me tell you something, I dont see Jesus. JESUS JESUS COME OUT COME OUT WHEREEVER YOU ARE! No, I just see a bunch of christians acting any way they see fit on his (if he ever existed) behalf. I cant stand it when christians give that cop out line, cause its cowardly.

As far as prejudiced goes, segregation was thanks to christians. So are anti gay laws and women repression before the sufferage movement, which happened IN SPITE OF AND NOT BECAUSE OF CHRISTIANS.
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Ytrus
''it's a map''
10:11 PM on 02/11/2011
I don't believe it is bigotry. That word gets thrown around a bit too much without people knowing what it means.
01:13 PM on 02/11/2011
Goodness, Knust's book is such poor scholarship! I think the part about marriage being where husband and wife leave mother and father and cleave to one another IS actually in the bible. Pretty sure. And the group Chick-fil-a gave the meals to is not an "anti-gay"group but one that is merely trying to strengthen marriages according to Scripture. And the group told me they have actually had some same-sex couples register, and if they want to come learn how husbands and wives should love each other well, they are most welcome to come.
01:47 PM on 02/11/2011
You've read the book and come to the conclusion that the scholarship is poor? Tell us more.
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04:29 AM on 02/12/2011
Knust has some things of interest, but she is wrong about the book of Ruth, as the excerpts from the other article "Sex In The Bible: An Interview with the author of unprotected texts" state her view.

I address the mistake there in my comments, oh, here's my comment section:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/P3?page=2&action=comments&display=all&sort=newest
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:38 PM on 02/14/2011
The problem is that you just don't want to "strengthen marriage" within your religion. You want to define it for all 300-million-plus people in this country. You and all the "scriptural marriage" fanatics would do far better to work on yourselves instead of backing legislation that keeps loving couples from marriage...just because YOU think marriage=1 man and 1 woman.
01:03 PM on 02/11/2011
I'm not sure, but isnt in the Bible that Jesus and the disciples ate at Chick-fil-A in Bethlehem on occasion? Ah, now it all makes sense... (Or maybe that was KFC?)
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Bill J4321
02:05 PM on 02/14/2011
I think you have that confused for 'The Last McSupper,' where the McRib (naturally!) and the Filet-O-Jesus Fish were enjoyed liberally.
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John Camp
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12:53 PM on 02/11/2011
Knust is a political NT professor at a 3rd tier secular divinity school. She really ought to stay away from Hebrew exegesis.
09:20 PM on 02/11/2011
Boston University's School of Theology is a third tier "secular" divinity school? What does that even mean? You don't like their baseball team or something?
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John Camp
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09:36 PM on 02/11/2011
Secular Divinity School -- no binding statement of faith.
First Tier U of Chicago, Harvard, Yale etc -- very selective, home to serious scholars doing innovative work in the languages and using primary sources.
Baylor, Claremont, Duke etc -- Selective, not cutting edge scholarship usually, Best work tend to be secondary source work i.e. history, canonicicity etc.
Third tier -- essentially take all comers who are interested in the subject had a 3.2 gpa as as an undergrad and didn't completely gak the GRE.
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thinkingwomanmillstone
My life is microbiodegradable.
08:13 AM on 02/11/2011
The people who point to the Bible as a justification for denying others the right to their own beliefs and control of their own bodies are always picking and choosing the passages that fit their arguments while ignoring others that don't as either taken out of context or outdated. This is what happens when you refer to a book whose newest passages are 2000 years old and whose older passages predate that. I doubt I'd build a house to the standards of 2,000 years ago, I appreciate modern plumbing and electricity too much.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
06:02 PM on 02/13/2011
WIsh I could fan you again, but will fave. Precisely!
07:40 AM on 02/11/2011
Chick-fil-A's Dan Cathy ought to read this book.

There are problems with assumptions like this. One, it assumes they haven't read books that argue from another point of view. Two, the same could be said back, since there are obviously books that disagree with many of Knust's assumptions and premises behind her conclusions. After all, it isn't as if Knust is the first to say this, or now that Knust has said it, the case is closed. Like most things in our age of punditry, folks probably already have made up their minds long before they read a book like Knust's, or a book that disagrees. And there we are, back to square one.
01:52 PM on 02/11/2011
I read new works from people I might disagree with all the time. Such works helps shape my opinions and sometimes makes me change my mind. Even God changed positions when confronted with good arguments. Think about how Moses helped shape God's views about killing off the people as they faltered in faith as they fled Eygpt.
03:04 PM on 02/11/2011
That's the way it should be. My point was, we shouldn't act as if, simply by nature of a position, that one hasn't read this or that book. And of course, we have to always keep in mind that most such works are from a series of different points of view. That's one of the things with many of our 'hot button issues'. They exist, founded on a series of assumptions and beliefs about a great many things, not just the issue at hand. How one thinks about, say, homosexuality says as much about how one sees a host of topics as it does about how one thinks about homosexuality.
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Douglas Campbell
01:57 AM on 02/11/2011
Oh, this article ought to stir the crazy AFA , NOM and FOF supporters.
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Craig 212
Tide goes in, tide goes out.
01:48 AM on 02/11/2011
One of the owners actually spoke at the small local church my father attends, so I've been aware of their religious stance for a while.

I might not share their beliefs, but that's not going to keep me from enjoying their food. Chick-fil-A is the best fast food chicken restaurant I've come across. I wish they'd open one in my town.
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Bill J4321
02:07 PM on 02/14/2011
It can be nice NOT to have convictions, too.

But hey!!! Yummy sandwiches!!!
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:41 PM on 02/14/2011
Nothing like feeding your face while not caring that people like Cathy want to keep loving couples, who have never harmed anyone, from marrying because he thinks his sky-pixie wants him to do so.