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Paul Ryan Choice Lifts Up Difficult Moral Questions

Posted: 08/11/2012 8:29 am

Paul Ryan once said: "Ayn Rand, more than anyone else, did a fantastic job of explaining the morality of capitalism." The Wisconsin congressman and GOP nominee for vice-president has been known to give copies of Rand's books for gifts and has told many he bases policy after Rand's views. What did Rand believe so strongly? "What I am fighting is the idea that charity is a moral duty," once said the philosopher, and perhaps that is why Ryan has fought to cut Medicare and lead a revolution in the U.S. House to gut social services.

Roman Catholics, evangelicals and mainline Christians are among the many faith voices in the U.S. that have condemned Ryan's efforts.

Faculty at Georgetown University wrote Ryan a letter last year that stated in part: "...your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Her call to selfishness and her antagonism toward religion are antithetical to the Gospel values of compassion and love."

Ryan's budget proposals affects the support of seniors, cut assistance to programs aimed at combating childhood hunger, and would leave people who have lost their jobs without heat during cold winter months. This isn't hyperbole but reasoned analysis of his budget goals from non-partisan groups like the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Ryan's plans would eventually end "everything from veterans' programs to medical and scientific research, highways, education, nearly all programs for low-income families," according to the CBPP.

At the same time, Ryan and his allies - including Mitt Romney - want to cut taxes for the wealthiest. That is why I joined over 60 religious leaders last week in writing to Congress that: "Favoring the wealthiest 2% over working families is irresponsible public policy that fails a basic moral test. We are not economists or tax experts. But this debate is about more than dry statistics or competing fiscal theories. Ultimately, these choices reflect our values and reveal our priorities as a nation. We urge Members of Congress to put families and workers before ideological agendas that favor the powerful."

Christians can come to different conclusions on difficult issues and there is no Christian ticket in this presidential election. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are both faithful people and we should assume the same of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

Yet President Obama - who fought to extend health care to all Americans - and Mitt Romney, who has promised to cut health benefits even to the elderly (as Paul Ryan has advanced) have certain moral differences in their platforms that should give all Americans regardless of faith background or ideology pause.

Are we our brother's keeper, our sister's keeper?

Or are we fighting the idea that taking care of one another is a moral responsibility?

This election will matter.

 

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08:47 PM on 08/13/2012
Ryan now says he does not support Ayn Rand. What a laugh! This year Ryan began hiding his admiration of Ayn Rand only because he figured out it was a political liability to show his true self. Ryan only started to disavow Ayn Rand this year. And saying he an Ayn Rand supporter only when he was young is a big fat lie because Paul Ryan did not (fake) withdraw support for Ayn Rand until this year and he is 42 now so he is hardly young.
His recent and phony conversion away from Ayn Rand is a phony scam to try to make his image more palatable to independents and moderates. He knows he needs moderates and independents because he has been contemplating higher political office since he was one of the people being talked about for a potential presidential run this year and he knew he was one of the guys being considered for VP this year. Paul Ryan figured out that he had to conceal his true Ayn Rand affinity and support of her philosophy in order to pursue higher political office. His new-found and fake disapproval of Ayn Rand is just a case of him hiding his true support of Ayn Rand.
And BTW Ayn Rand, the supposed rugged individualist, ended up leaning on the government for both social security and medicare so she turned out to be a big phony and a hypocrite.
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thorrsman
Why should I define myself by quoting others?
06:45 PM on 08/13/2012
"Are we our brother's keeper, our sister's keeper?"

Would not the better question be: Do we want to hold to our duty or shirk it and make government the keeper of our brothers, our sisters and ourselves?
09:10 AM on 08/13/2012
It is most appropriate that Romney picked an unashamed Ayn Rand fan for his running mate. The reason is that the movie "Atlas Shrugged" provides an illustration for the economic policies that the Republicans are pursuing. Whereas in the movie, the Rich physically separated themselves from the rest of humanity; the Republicans want the same separation by severing the economic obligations of the Rich to the rest of humanity. In the end, the Republicans obliterate any moral bottom line so as to solely focus on the financial one.

At this point, we would think that conservative Christians would object to the elimination of moral obligations but there are three factors that the Republicans can rely on to keep religiously conservative Christians loyal to their cause. First, the Conservative brand. Religiously conservative Christians can rarely distinguish between political conservatism and religious conservatism. Second, conservative Christians prefer to follow authority figures and that is conducive to both the business model and the Republican Party. And third, the abortion issue. These three factors prevent many conservative Christians from seeing the moral bankruptcy of the Republican Party's policies.
04:18 PM on 08/12/2012
What do Paul Pyan and Marie Antoinette have in common?
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thorrsman
Why should I define myself by quoting others?
06:43 PM on 08/13/2012
Nothing.

And DON'T bring up that old propaganda from the revolution that murdered her about "Let them eat cake". That lie was proven long ago.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
03:25 PM on 08/12/2012
President Obama believes we are all our brother's keeper. Gov. Romney believes we are our brother's oppressor. People can argue in both directions, but we do have a very clear choice. We also have the very devout Joe Biden and the Roman Catholic Paul Ryan, a man who has been strongly criticized for following Ayn Rand more than he follows Jesus.
06:12 PM on 08/13/2012
I would correct your initial statement. President Obama believes that the government is our brother's keeper, using our money. He has proposed (multiple times) to reduce tax deductions on charitable giving, which some would argue would further shift giving from private hands to governmental ones. A look at the charitable giving of each of these men also helps to clarify their beliefs, when it comes to their own checkbooks.
de-meme-ing
Buying USA Feeds USA, Supports/Preserves USA
02:03 PM on 08/12/2012
"We urge Members of Congress to put families and workers before ideological agendas that favor the powerful."

Um, no "We urge Members of Congress to put CITIZENS FAMILIES AND WORKERS OF THE USA before ideological agendas that favor the powerful."

We demand that Congress return from their treasonous ways and become once again Patriots of the USA.

Outsourcing jobs, and importing more immigrants will not support America, it will cause and is causing it's collapse. How much debt does Congress think our children can bear?

"it's aint heavy, their my brother?" Outrageous!!

Trillions of dollars are being poured into countries that do not support Human Rights, the money being lost to corruption, and jobs are being sent to countries that do not support Human Rights but support corruption and terrible human abuses, and crimes against humanity.

Social engineering scientists "claim" that this is to prevent an environmental and human catastrope in developing nations but the facts don't add up. Check the facts folks!!

The rich are simply getting richer, developing countries are producing even worse pollution then the west, are refusing reasonable environemtal guidelines, and their people are being enslaved.
02:06 AM on 08/12/2012
I live in WI I don't know wether to laugh or cry that you've been inflicted with Paul Ryan and is so Compassionate view of budget fixes. They are some what similar to what was given to us, here in WI by his follower and fellow Republican Walker, has done in WI. Yes, they seem to work in the beginning, but I'll tell what they've meant to me as a disabled person who can't work. I can't stand for more than 1hour, sit for 2-3 hours, and frankly I haven't been able to find a job that would support me that fits my disability. My benefits have been cut, I no longer have access to pain relieving therapies, I can't get rides to Dr. Appt. when I can't drive due to medication reactions. Yeah, this budget type has really improved my life. (Sarcasism) I figure with Paul Ryan's Budget Plan based on my experience with Walker's, I'll be homeless and problely dead shortly after that. As I am diabetic too. I'll try to do it in front of the Whitehouse.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
03:32 PM on 08/12/2012
Fanned for doing your best. I can only offer you my best and hope that things go better for you.
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thecross719
09:55 PM on 08/12/2012
Really? You can't do any better than that? And after all your criticism of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for their selfishness.

Ironic, would be putting in nicely.
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thecross719
02:01 AM on 08/12/2012
Interesting the way this "Christian" moralist overlooks the fact that his lifestyle, like the IPad or laptop that he uses to type out his ever so clever and pious musings, is supported by the wealth that a totalitarian government forcibly extracts from its people.

China is a government that uses military force to maintain control over hundreds of millions that live in conditions of economic deprivation beyond our American understanding. And their poverty supports the benefits that this bloviator thinks every American must have.

Try this, Rev. Currie, after the next time you criticize a politician that sincerely desires for us to live within our means. Go to the wall where you have your favorite clever little self righteous saying posted and turn it over. What does that sticker on the back say...?

It was provided to you by the poverty of hundreds of millions. Are you your brother's keeper?
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62WildEagle
GM IS ALIVE-BIN-LADEN IS DEAD
11:25 PM on 08/11/2012
Heres the funny thing I will say here. When Religion wants harder laws dealing with gays, abortion, birth control or any issue giving woman a right to choose the Republicans jump right up. When Religion wanted more action from the government in the Terry Schavio case- Republicans jumped. When Religion was outspoken about the Ryan budget the Republicans told Religion to back off, Guess What Religion backed off. Religion cares only about harder laws on women and gays-if you really cared about all other issues Republicans wouldnt have shut you down. Stop belly aching. As long as Republicans give you your Big Issues Thats All U Religious People care about. Boo Whoo
10:55 PM on 08/11/2012
Ryan's conflicted allegiances show how much traction Ayn Rand's alternative humanism has gotten in American culture despite such unpromising beginnings. And this happened spontaneously, without any central planning, despite the long-standing, built-in advantages both the Catholic Church and political progressives enjoy in the U.S. People keep trying to dismiss Rand as a sociopath, a kook and an ignoramus, yet she managed to bypass both the Magisterium's indoctrination system and the left's propaganda channels in education, academia and government by taking her radical view of a proper society straight to the market, and finding enthusiastic customers. She must have gotten quite a few things right to have pulled that off.
10:19 AM on 08/12/2012
No, only selfish people who agree with her selfishness. Not hard to figure out.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
03:37 PM on 08/12/2012
One wonders if the selfish and secretive Romney was totally sane when he chose a member of Congress who worships the selfish Ayn Rand. Are the Republicans trying to seem as miserly as it is possible to be?
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10:04 PM on 08/11/2012
Wow. Conservatives will be very surprised to find out they have no religious support.

Who writes such nonssense? Have you ever, I don't know, watched 5 minutes of fox news?
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
03:38 PM on 08/12/2012
I have never watched five minutes of Fox News. That is why my IQ remains in triple figures.
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anon004
Yes, it's true -- reality has a liberal bias
09:00 PM on 08/11/2012
"Paul Ryan once said: "Ayn Rand, more than anyone else, did a fantastic job of explaining the morality of capitalism."

Did Ryan say how well she explained the reconcilation of her free-market, anti-government philosphy with how she wound up in the last years of her life on the goverment dole under an assumed name?
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LunaPark
Don't believe it until it's officially denied
10:02 PM on 08/11/2012
She did not end up on the government dole. According to the New York times, her estate was valued at a half million. If you are talking about her taking Social Security, well you tell us, is it welfare or is an investment in retirement BS that Roosevelt sold the public? Because if it was a forced government retirement program, then what is the problem with Rand taking it? It's her money right? If SS is welfare, then I see your point.
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anon004
Yes, it's true -- reality has a liberal bias
01:20 AM on 08/12/2012
SS is mostly welfare, seeing as how you use up what you contributed in less than two years, on average. (The senior Tea Bagger contingent -- keep the government out of my Medicare: -- wouldn't want to hear that, but it's true.) Having said that, I don't have a problem with paying for SS -- those people have earned the right to end their days with at least the illusion of a little independence and dignity. I also don't mind helping children with things like food stamps and CHIP. These kids are born poor and have no say in their circumstances and no way to improve it while they are children -- pseudo janitor jobs or other ridiculous fake child labor "opportunities" proposed by Newt nothwithstanding. Everyone, including Ayn Rand, takes goodies from the government. I have never met anyone anywhere who turned anything down. Mitt "saved" the SLC Olympics with large federal government subsidies. And conservative Congresspeople take gold-plated taxpayer-funded health care all the while railing against it
08:54 PM on 08/11/2012
The bible says you dont work you dont eat, work with your own hands so you can give to those in need. To show that you have humility with your money and free yourself of greed.
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froggythegremlin
I'll never do it again, I promise.
11:25 AM on 08/12/2012
Sorry Brody, but Romney is a poster boy for greed. And you appear to be a poster boy for lack of compassion.
04:35 PM on 08/12/2012
even poor people can be greedy, Ask not what your country can do for but what you can do for your country.HaHaHa
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CateManhattan
Common sense is way too uncommon.
07:33 PM on 08/12/2012
Read what Brody said again. You missed it by a mile.
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thecross719
01:11 PM on 08/12/2012
Well said.
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CateManhattan
Common sense is way too uncommon.
07:35 PM on 08/12/2012
Marked as fav by accident -- you misread Brody. You are a total greedy sob in other comments. You have a lot of work to do before you come back as a human.
08:29 PM on 08/11/2012
The words of the Good Book are so true:

Jesus looked at him and said: “How difficult a thing it will be for those having money to make their way into the kingdom of God!  It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of God.” -Luke 18:24, 25
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Woden
Atheist, skeptic, and proud of it.
06:24 AM on 08/12/2012
People like Romney make the meaning of the passage abundantly clear, too:

The rich tend to have gotten rich as a result of how uncharitable they are towards their fellow man. While there are exceptions, it is the case often enough to prompt things such as that passage.
09:09 PM on 08/13/2012
the arches in the cities were called needles. you added the word sewing. it was hard for camels to get through the needles but not impossible. put some context in before you go off talking ignorantly :)
02:35 AM on 08/14/2012
And a certain ruler questioned him, saying: “Good Teacher, by doing what shall I inherit everlasting life?” 19 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God. 20 You know the commandments, ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’” 21 Then he said: “All these I have kept from youth on.” 22 After hearing that, Jesus said to him: “There is yet one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute to poor people, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” 23 When he heard this, he became deeply grieved, for he was very rich.
24 Jesus looked at him and said: “How difficult a thing it will be for those having money to make their way into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of God.” 26 Those who heard this said: “Who possibly can be saved?” 27 He said: “The things impossible with men are possible with God.” 28 But Peter said: “Look! We have left our own things and followed you.” 29 He said to them: “Truly I say to YOU, There is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 who will not in any way get many
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08:26 PM on 08/11/2012
It the government has to mandate it, it's not charity and it's not meeting one's moral responsibility to others (which I agree we have).
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thecross719
01:13 PM on 08/12/2012
Keeping what you have earned is not greed. Taking from others to give to someone else is not charity.
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Jude Nagurney Camwell
Progressive blogger/writer
04:25 PM on 08/12/2012
If Congress passes a law that benefits and protects the most truly vulnerable in our society, it is not - and should never be - considered to be "charity." Our moral responsibilities to others in our society aren't based upon charity alone. We've long tempered justice with mercy in this country. Take a look at the Supreme Court building in Washington, D.C. and see three great law makers, Moses, Confucius, and Solon - each from different world cultures, yet each with common moral values upon which we've based our law since the Founding.
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thecross719
09:48 PM on 08/12/2012
Nice speech. Almost all of it, however, misses the point.