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Rev. Chuck Freeman

Rev. Chuck Freeman

Posted: October 29, 2010 01:21 PM

I have core differences of belief with the North Austin Muslim Community Center.

I disagree on a core level that submission is the primary path to holiness. I disagree on a core level that Prophet Mohammed is the final teacher from God. I disagree on a core level that their religion is the only true faith. I disagree on a core level that a theocracy is the ideal government.

I disagree on a core level that only men can be Imams. I disagree on a core level that men are front and center during the community prayers and that women must pray behind a partition out of sight. I disagree on a core level that women must have their heads covered at all times in public.

Why then did I encourage my church, Live Oak Unitarian Universalist Church to make a special offering to help NAMCC build their Mosque? Why am I pictured in this video proudly presenting a check to them?

Simply and clearly stated, there is a greater principle at stake.

In the "Preacher's line" after the church service where we gathered the contribution for the Mosque one of my members vigorously opposed our course of action. The parishioner asked, "Would you help build a Catholic or Mormon church? We should be tolerant of other religions but we should not be building their churches!"

My answer to her and you is this.

Normally I wouldn't be in favor of helping another religious group build a house of worship, especially one that I have such core differences with. But the Muslim religion is under siege in America. The overwhelming multitudes of their adherents are here seeking a life of opportunity and liberty in the "land of the free and the home of the brave."

They strive to be good citizens and make a positive contribution to their cities. They are seeking a place to peacefully practice their faith. The least we can do is live up to who we say we are. The fact that we have substantial core religious differences makes our reaching out in support even more profoundly principled.

I can easily cite the first amendment to our Constitution as the bedrock greater principle I am seeking fidelity to. But, I want to go back a few thousand years to a teaching of Rabbi Jesus who surely inspired Jefferson in crafting the cornerstone of our Bill of Rights.

Jefferson wrote that in the person of Jesus

"a system of morals is presented to us which is...the most perfect and sublime that has ever been taught my man."

This teaching of Jesus undergirds our inheritance of religious freedom.

"If you love only those who love you what reward can you expect? Surely the tax gatherers do as much as that. (They were vilified as traitors working for the Roman empire.) And if you greet only your brothers, what is there extraordinary about that? Even the heathen do as much. There must be no limit to your goodness, as your heavenly Father's goodness knows no bounds." *

* Matthew 5:46-48, The New English Bible

 
 
 
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Robert SF
08:44 PM on 10/31/2010
No, the Muslim religion is not "under siege" in America, though that is a convenient myth Muslim victimists have gladly encouraged. Despite what you would think, the crime statistics the FBI gathers show no remarkable number of hate crimes against them. If anything, hate crimes against Jews by Muslims are on the rise. Yes, here in America. Certainly, many people are not happy about the mosque at (or not at) Ground Zero, but other than express their personal opposition, nobody has seriously suggested that the government prevent the construction.

Far from being under siege, Islam seems to be the only religion that cannot be criticized without disapproval from, curiously, many of the same people who say the vilest things about Christianity. Islam is so protected, in fact, that an American on American soil was effectively prevented from exercising his First Amendment rights because his opinion did not meet with the approval of Muslims worldwide. That Florida preacher may have been hateful and wrong and everything you want, but he did have the legal right to burn the book of a religion he disagreed with. Except he was bullied into, well, submission.
01:16 PM on 10/30/2010
There is a group of us who are going to meet at the site on November 1st Monday morning at 9am. And we have all vowed to keep them from having a site worth building on. We don´t care what your reasons are for not wanting anything built but you better join us if you know what is good for us.

OUR MOTTO: ¨Non violence sometimes works but not in our neighborhood can you do that!¨
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Gennaphyr
Reformed and recovered Christian fundamentalist
06:04 PM on 10/30/2010
Doctor heal thyself
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Pamm Stadt
speak the truth slowly
06:20 PM on 10/30/2010
And this is the voice or a Christian? With a motto that encourages violence? Whew, sounds like the Old Testament God.
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Gennaphyr
Reformed and recovered Christian fundamentalist
09:47 PM on 10/29/2010
I'm an atheist, but had I been in your church that day I would have put a few dollars in your collection plate. Thank you Rev. Freeman, you and those in your congregation are a wonderful example of what a community church should be.
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Venicelady
Ignorance is NOT bliss.
03:14 PM on 10/30/2010
And, for expressing so eloquently that even though the Reverend disagrees with the tenets of some aspects of Islam, he is willing to rise above his feelings, and do the right thing as a Christian preacher.
05:42 PM on 10/29/2010
WWJD, collect offering to a foreign god, Allah? Here is what Jesus said about giving his word to unbelievers; "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." Would Jesus then teach, but it is good that we do a fundraiser for them. I think not.
With that said Rev. Chuck, I am not opposed to them building their temple, but use your Christian church collections and fundraisers to the glory of our God. Austin was my territory for several years, there are homeless, there are children and elderly in need. Get your priorities staight.
Dharma kate
Monty Python wrote my bio.
11:50 AM on 10/30/2010
First of all, it's not a different God. Either you believe in monotheism (one God) or you do not. Allah is the Arabic word for God. Same concept -- God of Abraham, Jews, Christians, Muslims.

Secondly, you may have been raised to think it's appropriate to call Muslims "dogs" and "pigs" which is what you did in your quotation, but it certainly now how decent people were raised. WWJD? I don't think so. I was raised to have some manners by a good Christian woman who would have washed my mouth out with soap if she heard me referring to Muslims as 'pigs' and 'dogs' and abusing Holy Scripture to do as much. Really, where's your head? Failing that, where's your manners? Did your momma raise you to be like that?
03:29 PM on 10/30/2010
I agree with you that the Muslim's are monotheistic, but Allah is not the same god as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Muhammad was a plagierist and took belief from many religion concepts including the pagan Meccans in which the name Allah was derived.

Decency is not the reference in which Jesus talks no more than pearls means pearls. The reference is testifying the truth of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to hardened unbelievers, people who have made the choice not to have their faith in Jesus as their Lord and Savior. These are Jesus' own words, are you also chastising Jesus?, and his mother Mary?

There are many good people who do not believe in Christ as their Lord and Savior, and I do respect them and their beliefs, but one does not get to the kingdom of God by his works, only through repentance and the belief in Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
My message to Rev. Chuck and all other Christians stand, put your priorities, your time and resources into ministering those in need of either food, clothes, shelter, and most important the inerrant word of the gospel so they may come to know Christ.
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TellMeSumn
A luta continua
12:18 PM on 10/30/2010
"Here is what Jesus said about giving his word to unbelievers..."

Unbelievers that he is god? Unbelievers that he is one of a trinity? Unbelievers that God would not punish one innocent man for the sins of all mankind? If so, we choose to remain unbelievers. It is good to see people like the Rev. who believe in coexistence, in spite of difference in understanding of the nature of God.
05:43 PM on 10/30/2010
Here is the true word of the gospel; "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"
02:28 PM on 10/29/2010
Well said! God Bless America.