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The Separation of Church and Hate

Posted: 07/05/11 07:00 PM ET

My hometown newspaper, the Abilene Reporter News, recently carried my new, all-time favorite political cartoon by Branch. It depicts Governor Rick Perry holding a newspaper with the headline, "Perry prayer event to be sponsored by prominent anti-gay group. Perry responds to the headline by saying, "Show me where in the Constitution it says anything about the separation of church and hate."

That says it all, doesn't it?

A few weeks ago, I promised readers a series on how we care for one another in America. This is the second installment. In the last article I expressed my concerns about the systematic dismantling of services for aging Americans by the radical right, many of whom profess that our churches and local communities can take over the responsibility for us when we no longer can care for ourselves.

I now have to ask: Which churches? The ones like the Church of God in Hemphill, Texas, which just put up a marquee saying, "Homosexuality is an abomination to Jesus and to our Country"?

Or, perhaps a church like the International House of Prayer in Kansas, led by Lou Engle. Engle's group is the organizer and lead sponsor of Governor Rick Perry's "The Response," scheduled in Houston on Aug. 6.

Pastor Engle's ministry, TheCall, openly supported the "Kill the Gays" bill in Uganda.

In February, I went with Soulforce and Human Rights Campaign volunteers to Engle's church and presented a petition of 70,000+ signatures asking him to cease and desist from inciting violence against gay people in Uganda.

We asked him to go back to Uganda and retract his support of David Bahati, the MP of Uganda, who proposed the bill that would (1) sanction extra judicial killings of gay people or (2) people who gave safe haven to gay people, and (3) allow vigilantes and police to kill people who just look like gay people.

Engle blew us off and sent his lieutenants Luis and Jill Cataldo to deal with us. We went to a church service with them. They received our petition. They promised that the church leadership would review it. Engle promised to meet with us face to face at a later time. We have followed up often with his office as has a reporter from The Associated Press. No response.

Understandable since Engle believes that the world would be a better place if lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people and their families and allies were dead. I am still waiting for his phone call so we can have a respectful conversation, pastor to pastor, about what Jesus really says about homosexuality.

I have to say that as a pastor and a lesbian who will soon have to refer to herself as eligible for Social Security, my confidence is pretty low regarding the Lou Engle-like churches' abilities and willingness to take on the task of providing care for my partner and me and my two gay children when we are in our most vulnerable years of life.

It sounds more like Engle and dominionist followers around the world plan to extinguish me before I am eligible for benefits.

Solves the fact that they find me unworthy of respect and life and saves money that would be frivolously spent -- always a core principle at the center of the ultra-radical right agenda.

Another of Governor Rick Perry's The Response endorsers is on record for blaming homosexuals for the Holocaust and for Hurricane Katrina. Engle is on record for suggesting that America needs to raise up a generation of people willing to be Christian martyrs so the scourges of homosexuality and abortion can be ended once and for all.

This rhetoric is all too familiar in our history. It's a Perry-Engle sanctioned ethnic cleansing campaign against those who are most obviously not like them. At minimum, it is a form of intentional inciting of people who will throw caution to the wind in attacking people who are non-gender role conforming and who choose to terminate pregnancies. Both are at high risk right here in America.

The Perry-Engle Partnership was not, I fear, made in heaven, but in a back room where the radical right is planning its win of the Presidency of the United States. They've lined up a row of ultra conservative dominionists (Palin, Bachmann and Perry), who have no discomfort calling other Americans names that incite violence against them and who apparently have no hesitation in suggesting that it is OK to exterminate those with whom you disagree about the interpretation of the Bible. They are smart, savvy, politically super-charged and capable of winning.

But in the final analysis, it doesn't matter if any of them really win. All they have to do is distract middle America and those who lean toward true democracy (the one that Gandhi reminds us is tolerant by its very nature). If they can stir the waters enough, they can ensure that fair-minded, true citizens of democracy will be worn down and worn out by the time people go to the voting box. And then, they can win. Or the person they were helping will win.

One way that we can care for one another in America is to just say no to the use of political office and power to systematically discriminate against any group of citizens in the United States, many of whom would have been considered abominations under the law of the land in Jesus' era: single women, people with life-threatening illnesses, unwed pregnant teenagers (like Mary, the Mother of Jesus), eunuchs and Samaritans.

Christ came to clarify what an abomination really is: the absence of love and the intent to harm. His life makes this very clear.

For those who insist that we are and must be a Christian Nation, may I suggest that the current "Kill the Gays" strategy of Engle and his cohorts (sadly, even the Governor of the Great State of Texas) is not only flawed, it is anything but Christ-like.

 
 
 

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My hometown newspaper, the Abilene Reporter News, recently carried my new, all-time favorite political cartoon by Branch. It depicts Governor Rick Perry holding a newspaper with the headline, "Perry p...
My hometown newspaper, the Abilene Reporter News, recently carried my new, all-time favorite political cartoon by Branch. It depicts Governor Rick Perry holding a newspaper with the headline, "Perry p...
 
 
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08:38 PM on 07/17/2011
I read through all the comments and I'm just astounded how easily enlightened people destroy arguments from the anti-gay religious crowd. It was like watching a world-class high jumper clearing a picnic basket. I just have to admire the folks who make themselves available to defend others. I try to do the same on facebook and it is exhausting! It blows my mind the level of ignorance in our country.
09:58 AM on 07/15/2011
Preach it, Rev. Cindi! Peace!
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ZENNEPHI
05:36 PM on 07/07/2011
Out of the Bishop's Closet
[Anthony Feluz]
San Fransisco Press

Further Study and Review:
"The Lord is my Shepard, and He Knows I'm [Gay]
[The Reverent Troy Perry]
Keystone Pulishing
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Dragonmoose
Keeping it Non-fictitious
12:49 PM on 07/07/2011
"If it's not about Love it's not about God."

- my super smart awesome mother.
04:29 PM on 07/06/2011
I happened to be in the German city of Cologne a couple of weeks ago on Corpus Christi, an important holiday in the Catholic Church. There was a big procession of both clergy and laity, led by priests -- i.e. men in long dresses. There seemed to be thousands of people in the procession (a lot more men than women), singing, proclaiming, carrying crosses and other symbols and just marching, but I couldn't be sure because it seemed as though the procession crossed and recrossed the "Altmarkt" (the old town square) several times. What struck me more than anything else was the resemblance to a Gay Pride march; admittedly a bit more solemn and less fun, but basically a lot of cross-dressing men.
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Connie Brantley
Beware of false Presidents
05:05 AM on 07/07/2011
thanks for sharing that, that is funny, gave a laugh this morning
02:49 PM on 07/06/2011
The article should of been called "The Seperation of God and Hate" Once we seperate from the myth of religion only then we as humans can begin to accept others for who they are. "It has served us well this myth of Christ". Indeed it has.
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Connie Brantley
Beware of false Presidents
05:04 AM on 07/07/2011
Unfortunately, you will always have those who hate, but it is ashame that they use religion to hide behind, it makes the rest of us look bad. I accept people for who they are, but it does not mean I agree with everything they do.
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jolsen
07:12 AM on 07/07/2011
Bigots and fear-mongers will always find a way. Look at social darwinism, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Bosnia, Rwanda.
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Grada3784
God is a Parent, not an abuser.
04:57 PM on 07/07/2011
So I guess religious people who do the hate thing are no better than the ones you mentioned. Good to know.
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powercosmic
The Anti-Christ
02:46 PM on 07/06/2011
Well, ma'am, as you may well know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Unlike you, I don't believe that your brand of Chr.istianity is going to change anything, it won't.

When you have a problem that is caused by religion, the very last thing you need is MORE RELIGION.

Chr.istianity is like any other infection, it has a beginning, a middle, and an end. Any infection starts small then the infected cells multiply until the immune system either gains the upper hand and kills the infected cells or the infected host dies.

The infected host in this case is America, it has a bad case of "The Jeebus" and we have to choose which future we will live in. On one hand we can continue down the road we are on and end up with sectarian violence and hate during a time when our economy will be in decline.

Or we can leave Chri.stianity behind and look to education and the individuality of Americans to pursue Freedom and economic stability.

Drop the religious aspects of what you are doing and I think we'll all be better off.
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Connie Brantley
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05:25 AM on 07/07/2011
We are who we are and being a Christian is an individual choice, just as being an atheist, a dancer, a preacher, a priest or gay. That is part of being free. The only hate I see here is me being hated because I voiced my opinion. Leaving religion behind will solve nothing, you will always have those who hate. The infected cell you speak of is the "Hate Mongers". I hate no one, I may not agree with what they do, but hate and violence never solved anything.
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jolsen
07:16 AM on 07/07/2011
Being gay isn't a choice. You don't wake up in the morning and put your gay or straight hat on. It's who you are.
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mrkurtzhedead
I'll be back, when it's dark!
09:31 AM on 07/07/2011
So if you were left on a desert island as an infant, you would have a choice of being a Christian---never having heard about it?

I think not.
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StevenM
Chess Coach
06:33 PM on 07/25/2011
Re: " I don't believe that your brand of Chr.istian­ity is going to change anything, it won't."

Compared to what? Most mainstream Churches now welcome homosexuals, and indeed more and more of them are ordaining those in same-sex relationships for the ministry. It is definately changing some people's attitudes. Christianity has been around for 2,000 years, and over the years it has evolved, changed and adapted to new situations. I know of no good reason why it won't continue to do so.
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Connie Brantley
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01:08 PM on 07/06/2011
I do not hate anyone, I do not want anyone killed because of their lifestyle, I would like to know if you know something I do not about what Jesus said about homosexuals, I do know He said "Hate the sin,
Love the sinner." This is indeed a delicate subject, but I do not want to bandy words, I do not read anywhere where Jesus blessed the union of a same sex couple, quite the opposite. You have the right to choose your lifestyle and live in peace, as we do, as long as you do not make laws that make us go against our beliefs, such as making a preacher marry a same sex couple if it goes against his/her beliefs. I lost a very good friend because of my beliefs, he is gay, I refused to go to court to help him and his partner gain custody of his son. But I stood up for what I believe in, as you do, and I am not sorry, I am sorry I lost his friendship, but not sorry for doing what I believe is right. He knew where I stood on the subject of gay couples, and challenged our friendship to get me to do as he ask. You may live as you choose, we could be friends, but do not make the mistake that people like me or God sanctions a same sex union. Please I challenge you to show me where the Bible sanctions homosexuals.
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buggeroffyou666
Hierophant of the Crawling Chaos
02:46 PM on 07/06/2011
It doesn't really matter what the Christian myth sanctions. Marriage by many deferent names and types existed before the Abrahamic religions hijacked it and as god is not real the people who lie in his name have no good case.
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Connie Brantley
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04:38 AM on 07/07/2011
Everyone to his own opinion
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Rachelvis
There is a difference between "your" and "you're".
03:04 PM on 07/06/2011
Your "friend" is better off without the likes of you as a friend.
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Connie Brantley
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05:38 AM on 07/07/2011
Maybe I am better off without him, it was not an easy decision, I fought with myself, a true friend does not put love on the line to get what they want. Love is unconditional, you may not like what a person does or believes, but you still love that person, and in the end you must follow your heart and your conscience.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
12:41 PM on 07/06/2011
As long as I can vote and have a say in this country, I'm going to stand up for the Truth. This country was founded by Christians and will always have the Christian slant to it. No, this country is not a Theocracy because it is based on men and women doing right by each other with a strong connection to God. Its plain as day that in the Declaration of Independence, the inalienable Rights granted to all "created" men" (mankind) was Supernatural in inspiration. Said another way, it wasn't a secular inspiration that gave the rights to mankind. So, no, it wasn't the "celebrity" "Founding Fathers" that granted the Rights to all "created men" and the concept of seperating Chuch from State did not mean that the Colonits wanted to be seperate from God...Jesus in Particuliar. What is sad is that these phony "ministers" and "pastors" ( including the one who created this blog 1 John 4:1) preach compromising "social gospels" that promote liberalism, secularism, moral realitavism and (what many cannot see) totalitarianism. What these phony ministers are doing is really "assisted suicide" since they are rejecting the requirements for salvation. SALVATION is CONDITIONAL. God will ot be mocked. These beguiling social gospels tell the rebellious ones that "love is the answer". Wrong! REPENT is the answer. Ironically, ocial gospels teach hate...hate of Jesus becsue they distort the truth about Him and the Bible.
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r henry
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02:31 PM on 07/06/2011
The problem is that you should NEVER be allowed to vote on issues of civil rights, gay marriage being one of them. Civil rights issues should not be determined by anyone's religious codes. Civil rights should not be determined by your perceived Christian "slant". I am not a Christian and I should never be expected to live according to your beliefs. This has nothing to do with your Bible. The "majority" should never be allowed to impose their beliefs onto a minority. This stands against the very essence of what civil rights are about.
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Connie Brantley
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04:47 AM on 07/07/2011
Have you considered that it is not just Christians who are against gay marriages? I know atheists who are against it. Wow so much anger, I am not trying to impose my beliefs on you, you will do as you please. But like you, I also have a right to my opinion
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buggeroffyou666
Hierophant of the Crawling Chaos
02:49 PM on 07/06/2011
This country was founded as a secular representative republic by a coalition of Christians (of multiple denominations that did not like each other) deist and atheist in part to protect it from people like you. Why is it when people like you talk about truth none actually comes from you?
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Connie Brantley
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06:38 AM on 07/07/2011
WOW, what did I say that made you so angry? I, like many others, do not believe that the gay lifestyle is right, but I do not hate them, and I do not wish them any harm, people will do as they please. I just do not believe that the laws should push others to do what goes against their beliefs,for example, if gays want to marry fine and dandy, but do not make a preacher marry a gay couple if it goes against his belief. You have a right to your belief, and we have a right to ours, and at times it is best to agree to disagree. Have a great day!!
12:12 PM on 07/06/2011
Its a shame there are so few comments here. Well put Rev. Love.
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Misterioso Adversario
THE THIRST MUTILATOR!
11:27 AM on 07/06/2011
The sad thing is that many people will hide behind the bible and say "Its not me that hates gay people, I am just doing what god said!"

The bible is a great tool for deflecting blame and criticism about ones own prejudices and bigotry, its much easier to take a hateful stance on issues when you can just lay all criticism at the feet of an invisible man in the sky.

Perhaps the biggest irony is that many of these people consider themselves claim to be highly religious. Well, if thats the case, what happened to loving your fellow man? Judge not lest ye be judged? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone? Its so amazingly hypocritical that it almost gives me a stroke.

Perhaps the even further irony is that many of these so called Christians are some of the most vile and hate filled people I have ever seen, yet they will unironically claim that the only way to lead a moral life is to believe in god and jesus. I find it especially ironic that I myself, who doesn't believe in god, have more compassion for my fellow man in the tip of my little finger, than most of these people do in their entire body.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
12:53 PM on 07/06/2011
What don't you stop BSing yourself! If you don't beleive in God, then stay the hell off these posts. Who do you think you're trying to convert? Truth is that you're in conflict over your lifestyle and you're desperately seeking comfort in ANYTHING that opposes the Truth about the reality of God, Jesus, the Bible and the negative responses that Christian will give to defiant displays of perversions.

You want to quote the Bible to make a point then turn around and say you don't belive in God. You're confused. That is not surprising since denial and anger are the classic symtoms of a person that doesn't want to come to grips with reality about the being of something. Yes, Christians are hypocritical. Thery are also world class sinners. Tell us somethig that we don't know. In reality, it si teh gays that are projecting that "hate" nonsense. Its your own conflict that you must transfer onto others to ease your own convictions.That fact that you constantly rely upon slander proves that you're in denial and conflict. Well, you just keep whining about the "mean old Christians" and maybe you'll find a few converts.
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way2sunny
01:44 PM on 07/06/2011
You sound a little more defensive than is called for.
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ExiledMan
I have no need for religion, I have a conscience.
01:52 PM on 07/06/2011
Who do you think you are to dictate where and when people should post. The last time I looked we still had free speech in this country unless you fundamentalists have cornered that market too. And what gives you the moral high ground because you believe in a 2,000 year old book of myths and fables?
I suggest you take a look at your own lifestyle and this feeling that you have some kind of superiority just beacuse you have a need to believe in your imaginary friend.
If you want to follow the words of this archaic and disgusting book, why not go the whole hog and murder your children the next time they talk back to you, or how about killing all these people who work on the sabbath? No more waltzing down to Wal-Mart or filling up with gas for you!
If you didn't know, this is the 21st century and it's sad that people like you still follow the words of semi nomadic goatherders and hang onto every word as if they were relevant in today's society.
I also suggest working on your posting, spell check is your friend!
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Connie Brantley
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01:47 PM on 07/06/2011
God does not hate anyone...God hates the sin...not the sinner, these people you speak of have not taken their Bible to heart. Jesus said, and I paraphrase, "Hate the sin, Love the sinner." I do understand why you feel the way you do, these people give Christians a bad name. We accomplish nothing by hate, violence, or killing. We are to love all people as Christ loves us. We are supposed to set an example. We do not believe that homosexuality is right, but the person who is a homosexual needs our love and prayers. I hope this makes sense to you and maybe you will think a little nicer about some of us.
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Misterioso Adversario
THE THIRST MUTILATOR!
02:29 PM on 07/06/2011
It doesn't make any sense, because how are you supposed to reconcile the idea of "hate the sin, but love the sinner"? If you are denying people their rights based on 2,000 year old knowledge that is in direct conflict with modern scientific understanding, then how exactly are you not punishing the person in question?

If you want to give people your love and support, fight for their rights. No one is saying you have to like it, and certainly no one is saying you have to be a part of a gay marriage, but if you want to come here and tell everyone that you want to love your fellow man, then fight for their rights.
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Gurthee
Keep your religion out of my government
03:13 PM on 07/06/2011
which gawd?
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chergoyle3
God's Not Stupid...
11:25 AM on 07/06/2011
I cannot begin to know the hurt that comes with being reviled for being who you are, but I know how it feels to be hated for your beliefs. I believe that God exists for and is a part of everyone and everything in the universe, that religion as we practice it on this planet is an insult to Him. We have allowed our own hate and fear to usurp His place in our lives. We belittle Him by cherry picking those worthy of His love - God will love whom he will love and we have no say in the selection. When I tell people I believe in God but don't want to go to heaven, I am condemned as not a "true" Christian. It's widely accepted that all True Christians want to spend eternity with each other in a gold plated asylum on their knees in praise and worship. They misunderst­and me entirely. I have many loving Christians in my life and would be honored to spend eternity with those who love me in spite of my eccentrici­ties and my lack of "trueness"­. However, even a moment spent with those whose litmus test I cannot pass is something far short of paradise. Tired of the question: Have you been saved? I offer “God’s Not Stupid - Why Don’t We Trust Him?” To answer for me.
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Theresa N
10:11 AM on 07/06/2011
There is a dark side to this country that runs very deep and is very prevalent. It is made up of religionists and the leaders of the Republican party have sold out to it.
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jolsen
07:21 AM on 07/07/2011
You left out the Democrat party pandering to the progressives, but in reality maintaining the status quo.

It takes Obama over two years to realize DOMA is unconstitutional?
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ExiledMan
I have no need for religion, I have a conscience.
09:38 AM on 07/06/2011
It's not often I'm batting on the same side as the clergy but on this one I'm with you 100%. These politicians spouting off all this hate are dangerous people in the same vein as Hitler was in the 30's. I honestly believe that they use this religious rhetoric because they are just smart enough to know that they will have a following among the other religious fundamentalists, of which there are many sadly in this country. They use this kind of talk as a political tool and adopt that old adage of hitting the people who can defend themselves the least. People like Perry and his ilk have no other agenda but to use anything they can for political power and it truly is a sad reflection on our society that so many people think like him.
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onnozol
I intend to live forever. So far, so good.
01:56 AM on 07/06/2011
I can only hope that we leave this hate behind and all move forward as human beings. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Gregor53
Remembering your past gives power to the present.
12:55 PM on 07/07/2011
It is nice to have a dream, regardless of the odds is it not?