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Gay Marriage: It Is Personal

Posted: 07/21/2012 8:04 am

I know the Presbyterians and United Methodists get most of the press around the church and LGBT issues these days, but we Mennonites have similar controversies and conversations. At our recent district conference (Western District), one church brought a resolution calling for the suspension of my ministerial credentials because I officiated a same-sex ceremony.

Ultimately, the delegates voted for me to retain my credentials and to include a note on my profile that states my actions are "at variance" with denominational guidelines.

Through the course of the weekend, I had an opportunity to talk and pray with many individuals from the church that proposed the resolution. These folks were nice to me, even friendly. Many of them assured me that the resolution was "nothing personal."

My name was in the resolution document six times. If their resolution had passed, I would no longer be an ordained pastor in the Mennonite church. But it was nothing personal.

On one hand, I understand what they were saying. They don't hate me. They did not propose the action because they wish me ill. This is a church matter. It is about accountability, about church authority, about a particular way of reading scripture. It is about principles of righteousness and faithfulness and obedience. Nothing personal.

Except it is personal. Of course it is personal. My life would have been deeply affected if the resolution had passed.

In our ongoing discussions about the church and sexual minorities, I think we all need to give up the illusion that any of it is not personal. We need to admit that what we say and the policies we create deeply affect the lives of actual human beings.

If you say, "Homosexual activity is a sin," that is personal. It is personal for every person who chooses to be in an intimate same-sex relationship. It is personal for the parents and siblings and friends of those people as well.

If you say, "It is God's intention that sexual activity should be only between a man and a woman," it means my friend, Randy, is no longer allowed to be a Mennonite pastor. It means my friend, Sarah, could not attend our denominational seminary. It means my friends Sheri and Megan and I face credential reviews for ministering to people in the way we believe God is calling us to minister. It is personal.

If I say, "Homosexuality is not a sin," that is personal too. If you believe the Bible teaches against same sex intimacy, then I'm saying you are wrong. That your reading of the most important text in your life is a flawed reading. That is personal. And if by chance you are queer yourself and have struggled your whole life to be not queer, or if there is someone you love who you have rejected because of their sexuality -- well then, that's really personal.

If I say (or perform an act that indicates) that God calls us to fully include our LGBT brothers and sisters in the church, that's personal too. It means that if your church does not welcome sexual minorities, you are, in my view, outside the will of God. It means I think you should change your minds and change your policy in order to obey God. That's pretty personal.

And it should be.

"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us."

Christians believe that God's fullest revelation to us is in the person of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. God put on skin and started calling us by name. It's personal. Words of anger, words of love. Dinner parties and theological discussions. His body formed in Mary's womb; a woman's hand on his cloak; his spit in a man's eyes; a woman's tears on his feet; his skin mutilated by the pounded nails.

It is deeply personal.

Can you imagine Jesus saying to the rich young man, "It's nothing personal. It's just that it's pretty hard for rich people to get into heaven"? Or to the Pharisees, "Don't take this personally, but you're a bunch of hypocrites who are like whitewashed tombs -- nice on the outside, rotten on the inside"? Or to Peter, "You are Satan and you need to get behind me. Please understand that it's not personal"?

Of course it's personal.

When we follow the God incarnate in Jesus Christ, we give up the luxury of claiming that it's not personal. We accept responsibility for the ways that our words and our actions, our proclamations and our procedures affect other people.

It is our realization of just how personal these conversations are that can keep us on the path of love as we struggle through discussions about sexuality and the church.

If it's not personal, then we aren't following Jesus.

 

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08:41 PM on 08/29/2012
Religion or no religion. God, god, gods, or none. Homosexuality is quite peculiar. Anatomically, a man and woman are made for each other. Whether it is right or wrong is irrelevant. I believe homosexuality and by extension is extremely psychological and physiological, as well as a learned behavior.
09:45 PM on 08/15/2012
It's sad when a person claims to be a pastor which scripture does not support tying to make a claim where scripture has no support as well. Just that alone ought to tell you false prophet.
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TheSarge
Armed Crawdad BodyGuard
03:34 PM on 07/23/2012
I turned from religion after the war, I saw no presence of God in that carnage. I see daily I made the right decision, tend to your own sins and leave these people live their lives in peace. Damn hypocrites!
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
03:16 PM on 07/23/2012
I find it disgusting that anyone can just take your credentails away, or try to, because they dont like what you did. Who the F do they think they are? That is like someone trying to take my RN license away for treating a patient they didnt like. Stick to your guns, Rev.
09:10 AM on 07/23/2012
I am very surprised you can come up with such a true conclusion when one of your main premises is wrong.
Yes, it is personal. Jesus died for our sin b/c it is so repugnant, God had to send his own Son to atone for it. Drinking, lying, adultery, murder...and yes, homosexual sex. SIN. To be repented of and put to death.

It is personal. It is life or death. So, if you are called to minister, minister by the Word of God. You have that responsibility...and that is personal too b/c everything you teach is held to a higher standard.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
11:15 AM on 07/23/2012
Ah but you see the word of god spells out many many many many many many many times how it's wrong in the eyes of god to divorce. And yet that's never been against the law. And it only says one place that homosexual behaviors are against god's will, and yet that's illegal? And NEVER ONCE does the Bible say that god thinks two women together is wrong, so why is THAT illegal???

The key part of that paragraph above is that we're talking about the LAW here, not about god!!! Believe whatever you want to believe within your church. Fight against allowing your priests/pastors/whatever you call them conducting gay weddings. Excommunicate gay members. Don't ever engage in homosexual acts. You have the right to do ALL of these things!!

What you do NOT have the right to do is forbid OTHERS who are not members of your church from getting married. You do NOT have the right to force YOUR beliefs about what you think "god" said upon anyone else!!!
01:23 PM on 07/23/2012
We legislate morality all the time...the only question is who's? 
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Mark S Raymond
I like facts. Got any?
12:06 PM on 07/23/2012
“Drinking, lying, adultery, murder...and yes, homosexual sex. SIN.”

Gee, infinitely more people engage in in drinking, lying, and adultery than homosexual sex; and yet you and people like you have chosen to focus on homosexual sex. Why is that? Is it because you drink, lie, and commit adultery and if you focused on those things it would cause YOU to have to modify your own behavior; and you don’t want to do that because waggling your finger at someone else gives you a feeling of superiority that is oh so satisfying to you?

Matthew 7:1-5
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
08:14 AM on 07/23/2012
As is common, the control needs of organized religion are at odds with the spiritual and emotional health of its adherents.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
07:50 AM on 07/23/2012
When we in Canada were discussing this issue, of course the issue came up of churches who do not believe in granting such ceremonies to same-sex couples, and the perfectly reasonable and rational response was, They dont have to. Fortunately for gays and lesbians here, there are plenty of churches who can see past the inherent silliness of this argument and government officials more than happy to officiate. It's just a non-argument.

But obviously many Americans have those blinders on oh so very tightly that it's almost unfathomable to look beyond a very, very narrow area. I guess it appeals to their sense of outraged drama.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
05:30 AM on 07/23/2012
I hate when bigots say "Nothing personal.". The fact is their bigotry and hate are intensely personal. They affect my life with their nasty little votes and admendments, because I have been married for 5 years and I am still waiting for it to be legal in the US. That means I do not have the rights and protections that straights automatically get when they are married. Yeah, I'd call that "personal".
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hearthammer
If left is right and right is wrong, decide!
05:40 AM on 07/23/2012
I agree totally. I have to say that I'm not gay, but can't, for the life of me, see the fascination that the religious have with people's sex lives! It seems to go with the territory!
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
05:48 AM on 07/23/2012
I don't "get" that, either. I am not heterosexual and do not think about what a heterosexual couple is doing at one point or another. It isn't any of my business--it is the business of the couples. I am sick to death of right wingers and their thinking they should have to right to but into everone else's business. They need to take care of their own souls--they will have more than enough on their plate just with that.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
11:18 AM on 07/23/2012
My daughter and her wife just hit one year this last February. They had to fill out their tax forms 4 times because they aren't "married" according to the Federal Government, but are according to the State Government.... Once Federal to file for each of them, once Federal joint so that they could show that to the State, and once joint to the State to file....

And my other daughter's fiancee just passed away last month. Because her fiancee's mother didn't like that she was gay, my daughter was not included on ANYTHING at the funeral, except she finally, in the face of all of us being there for my daughter, agreed to allow her into the family pews.....

This is just sad that people can be so f**king offended by the thought of other people...
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
01:12 PM on 07/23/2012
That is just plain sickening. And they wonder why we want legal marriage--to stop horrors like this from happening. My sympathy to your daughter on the loss of her fiancee.
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David Moore
Teacher, German, Math, Pennsylvania
10:38 PM on 07/22/2012
I have given up any belief in god, Jesus, the devil, and organized religion completely. However, marriage equality is personal to me. It means my son can get married in the eyes of the law and our community. It means that some day, if I chose to marry a man, I could. It means that people who are Christian may find themselves at odds with their home churches, and that is a pain I would not wish on them. I applaud Pastor Harader for standing her ground and making marriage equality personal for her and her congregation. All best wishes.
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fireman452
Seek the Truth, avoid those that have found it
07:41 PM on 07/22/2012
This is AMAZING - having been brought up in the mennonite church I know how far out there this is, and I applaud the very christian sentiment that are being expressed here - I realize that this whole document is about her and her problems, but at the same time her values are a break that is refreshing for those of us that have dealt with this all of our lives.
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Rev. Joanna Harader
11:56 AM on 07/23/2012
There is also a Mennonite pastor in Chicago who has performed multiple union ceremonies. Her credentials were likewise found to be in order. And an increasing number of Mennonite churches are adopting "welcome statements" indicating acceptance of LGBT people. As Martin Luther King, Jr., said, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."
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fireman452
Seek the Truth, avoid those that have found it
01:45 PM on 07/23/2012
Yes unfortunately with all the speed of a glacier - I am 60 now and fortunately for me I found my life partner 25 years ago - we got married in Banff because I would not get married in the US where anyone that we paid to help with the wedding could turn around the next day and vote us second class citizens - the Marriage Commissioner and the Photographer and all of the support staff at the Chateau Lake Louise were very warm, caring and helpfull - our day could not have been any better - in fact the place is so beautiful that people have asked if the backgrounds are real or photoshoped - we could not afford to photoshop that many photos - believe me. 
07:13 PM on 07/22/2012
I really loved this article and it makes a very good point.

A relationship with Jesus is very personal.
Jesus got personal. Why shouldn't we?
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istanbulite
05:19 PM on 07/22/2012
Thanks so much Rev Harader. My father's family were mennonites for centuries. Does it strike anyone as odd, that a small protestant group who needed to exit their homes because of persecution, cannot understand the needs of other minority groups. My father's ancestral family first moved to Poland and later to Ukraine. The actions of the czar toward low german speakers and jews, resulted in mass emigrations to the USA, Canada and South America. While I bless the czar for pushing my family to the USA, I do not understand how the collective memory of persecution can be so short. I look forward to explanations regarding how a peace loving and non violent people can be so blind to their gay sons and daughters.
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Rev. Joanna Harader
12:00 PM on 07/23/2012
It also strikes me as interesting that many Mennonites argue that, regardless of what I personally believe, I should follow the rules established by the denomination. First, of course, there is the argument that the Confession of Faith is not a "rules" type of document. But also, aren't Anabaptists supposed to remain faithful despite the rules? The early Anabaptists broke all kinds of church rules.
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istanbulite
08:53 AM on 07/24/2012
Rev. Harader, Many thanks for the response. Not only did the Anabaptists break all kinds of rules, but let us not forget that Protestant is a function of the word protest. I am truly afraid that Jesus would find very few churches who would want him in their congregation. God forbid that anyone speak their mind or remind others of their religious roots.
07:17 AM on 07/22/2012
Clearly in the Word of God it describes a Pastor or Elder as a Man not a woman which means this article has no authority according to God's Words. Saint Paul who was Jesus' chosen vessel gives a description of a Pastor in the 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:6-9.
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KristineE
Out and Proud Of It
03:34 PM on 07/22/2012
The Bible was written at a time in history when women were not considered people, just pieces of property to be bought and sold for 5 donkeys and an once of gold. Those words were written by the people of those times who may or may not have had 2nd hand knowledge of what God might have said.
09:32 AM on 07/23/2012
The bible tell us many things, it tells of mans ugly side and his good side. Every thing that went on in the bible God did not bless and slaves at that time as well as woman were treated that way in all cultures at that time. When we look at Jesus the Author and Finisher of our lives we see Him not calling any of his a slave unless He said you were a slave to sin. Remember Christians believe in one God and He reveals Himself to us in three persons God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit so when we see Jesus walking and talking in the New Testament we see God at work and I never read were Jesus mistreated anyone woman or man in fact you could not pull the women away from Him who He had touched their lives.
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AdamWest1313
Hardcore Agnostic
05:04 PM on 07/22/2012
Ah yes, men giving themselves more power. How convenient.
08:26 PM on 07/22/2012
No one has any power unless God gives it to them.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
05:32 AM on 07/23/2012
Exactly. The Sexism of the churches I once belonged to helped me to look for another religion. One where men don't get to work their issues out on the women of the church.

Gode forbid that women, who are the unpaid help of the church ever aspire to something better.
02:07 AM on 07/22/2012
In the face of such powerful forces that are working against the cause of Christ, one could become discouraged. It often seems like the devil is winning all the battles and our efforts to reach the lost are constantly being sabotaged. The false teachers have great resources that they use to reach millions of people. Their deceptive message is cunning and it lures gullible men and women.
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04:55 AM on 07/22/2012
sigh
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Utopian Sky
The Unexamined Life is not Worth Living
07:38 PM on 07/22/2012
You did not make it clear which is the "cause of Christ" and which is the "deceptive message".
01:05 AM on 07/22/2012
As a fellow peace loving Anabaptist! I think Joanna articulates truth! Let those with ears hear!

Duane Steiner