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Evangelicals and Gays: Why Can't We All Just Get Along?

Posted: 05/05/10 09:12 PM ET

Why can't Christian evangelicals and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people seem to get along? As an openly-gay theologian and minister, I've been troubled by the increasingly polarized discourse and the apparent lack of compassion and respect that each side has shown for the other. Neither side is blameless; it often seems like both evangelicals and LGBT people are more interested in winning the "culture wars" on their own terms than in understanding and recognizing the full humanity of the other.

Christian evangelicals, on the one hand, often claim that their faith and values are under attack by LGBT people and by the larger secular culture. As a result, such individuals have tried to prohibit or repeal same-sex marriage equality laws through state referendums like California Proposition 8. They have also tried to pass laws that would impose criminal penalties -- up to and including the death penalty -- upon LGBT people around the world.

LGBT people, on the other hand, often see Christianity and organized religion as the number-one "enemy" with respect to achieving full legal rights. As a result, many LGBT people seek to remove all traces of spirituality from the public realm. In fact, some of these individuals insist upon keeping the wall of separation between religion and society so high that many people of faith -- including LGBT people of faith -- find it difficult, if not impossible, to talk about their deepest passions and theological beliefs outside of their communities of worship.

Things are changing, however, with respect to the traditional evangelical hostility towards LGBT people. A growing number of Christian evangelicals, including Brian McLaren, Tony Jones, and Andy Marin, are challenging the status quo with respect to LGBT people, even to the point of drawing sharp criticism from their fellow evangelicals. These courageous evangelicals believe that it is time to bracket the biblical and theological disagreements in this area and focus instead on the urgent task of repairing the broken relationships between evangelicals and LGBT people.

A few weeks ago, Tim Dalrymple, a thoughtful Kierkegaard scholar who holds a Ph.D. from Harvard and an M.Div. from Princeton Theological Seminary -- and, yes, a self-described Christian "evangelical" -- contacted me out of the blue and asked whether I would be willing to join an online discussion on patheos.com, a website dedicated to promoting "balanced views of religion and spirituality," about reimagining the relationship between LGBT people and evangelicals.

At first, I wasn't quite sure what to make of the offer. Would I be "sleeping with the enemy"? What would my fellow queer theologians and ministers think? WWJD (what would Jesus do)? But the more I thought about it, the more I felt that it was critically important for me to engage Christian evangelicals on their own theological terms, and particularly in a spirit of truth, charity, and generosity.

So, in the spirit of Martin Luther, who inaugurated the Protestant Reformation on October 31, 1517, by nailing 95 theses to the door of the Schlosskirche (castle church) in Wittenberg, Germany, I have posted on the web "9.5 Theses for a New Reformation" for reimagining the relationship between Christian evangelicals and LGBT people.

To give you a flavor of what my 9.5 theses are like, I've reproduced three of them below:

1) LGBT relationships are grounded in love, which is at the very heart of our understanding of God and the Christian faith. I often wonder if anti-gay evangelicals really understand that LGBT relationships -- whether for a night or for a lifetime -- are really about love and not just sex. I personally have been together with my partner Michael for nearly 19 years, which has given me a profound understanding of what hesed and agape mean, both human and divine. If we Christians profess that God is love, that Jesus has given us a new commandment to love one another, and that the two great commandments have to do with love, why are LGBT relationships, which are grounded in love, any less holy than non-LGBT relationships?
4) Even the Reformers did not treat all biblical verses as having the same interpretive weight. To me, sola scriptura means that all things necessary for salvation are contained in Scripture, but our Reformation ancestors never intended for all verses of the Bible to carry the exact same interpretive weight as the others. For example, Luther described the Letter of James as an "epistle of straw," and even Calvin recognized that the ceremonial law has been "abrogated" in use. Thus, I do not understand why anti-gay evangelicals are so obsessed with the half-dozen or so passages in scripture that purportedly prohibit same-sex acts (e.g., Genesis 19, Leviticus 18 and 20, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Timothy 1), when there is so much richness throughout in the Bible that affirms the goodness of the self-giving love -- including deeply loving relationships, both sexual and non-sexual -- that I have seen in a decade of ministering to the LGBT community.
9.5) Christian evangelicals and LGBT people actually have more in common than either side would care to admit. Last, but not least, I conclude with a thesis that is somewhat less scriptural and theological, but more sociological in nature. As someone who "lives" in both the LGBT world and the Christian world, I believe that both communities actually have a lot more in common that either side would care to admit. In both worlds, there is often a tight-knit sense of fellowship, community, shared experiences and mission, and shared texts and cultures. There is also a sense of being marginalized and persecuted within a larger society. Indeed, both groups often experience difficulty in terms of talking about or "coming out" about one's deepest beliefs and loves openly in many day-to-day situations. It seems to me that a more thoughtful dialogue between these two groups might uncover many of these similarities and help each group better empathize with the other.

To read the rest of my "9.5 Theses for a New Reformation," please click here. For a helpful roadmap to the broader consultation on patheos.com and for a variety of evangelical perspectives on LGBT issues (including pieces by McLaren, Jones, Martin, and Dalrymple), please see the "Guide to the Consultation on Reimagining the Relationship Between Evangelicals and Gays," which can be found by clicking here.

I don't know whether the consultation will ultimately result in metanoia (that is, a "turning of the mind") for a lot of Christian evangelicals or LGBT people. It is my hope, however, that conversations like these will -- slowly but surely -- lead to greater compassion and respect on both sides of the evangelical and LGBT divide.

 
 
 

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Why can't Christian evangelicals and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people seem to get along? As an openly-gay theologian and minister, I've been troubled by the increasingly polarize...
Why can't Christian evangelicals and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people seem to get along? As an openly-gay theologian and minister, I've been troubled by the increasingly polarize...
 
 
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GayGrandpa
01:20 PM on 06/02/2010
What annoys me is churches will go out of their way to be sensitive to other faiths, other ethnicities, but when it comes to gays or eccentricities all that love generosity and patience goes flying out the window and fault is found. It is very tiring, annoying and sometimes heart-breaking. Yes why can't we get along...oh we know the answer because it is to easy and apparently to fun to pick up that rock and throw it...we can do better, and by God we better...we better try!
06:49 PM on 05/24/2010
Sodom and Gomorrah....sound familiar?
04:38 PM on 05/20/2010
I'm surprised you put Andy Marin in the same category as McLaren and Jones. I'm friends with Brian & Tony, and what Andy is doing will do far more harm than good in the conversation between the LGBT community and the church. I am a pastor at a progressive evangelical church in San Diego and I'm gay. Andy Marin does a great 18-minute sound bite about building bridges. Whoever did the copy-editing for his website did an amazing job at hiding what Andy truly believes...that gay people must change. In a seminar to youth workers he says that they have on average 3 years to disrupt the integration of having same sex attraction (average age 11-12) to identifying as gay (average age 13-15). Is this really building bridges? I do agree we are making headway both in the church and in the LGBT community. People aren't as shocked when I tell them what I do as they used to be...but we still have a long way to go on both sides. www.missiongathering.com www.theinneraroll.com
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
11:14 AM on 05/21/2010
Con of a....

Both sides? This still constitutes 'both sides?'

I think stopping the *lies* on the evangelical 'side' needs to happen before there's anything to 'build a bridge' *to.* Not seeing much of a footing over there. What are we supposed to do, cantilever something?

Just as has been amply-said, it's elements of Christianity that have a problem with LBGT people existing, and there's *no* reason to trust this kind of talk, especially when it tries to even partially blame us for our own unasked-for oppression.

Me, I'm not Christian, and I don't *have* to 'go' *anywhere,* ...people who want to 'evangelize' while their own 'side of the bridge' is still actively trying to hurt us are, frankly, facing the wrong direction.
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WhereIsTheTruth
We need more chlorine in the gene pool!
08:57 PM on 05/21/2010
I agree. Evangelicals fired the first salvo in this "culture war." We can declare a cease fire and guess what? They still won't stop. If we extend the hand of peace, they'll slap it away. When they stop hurling stones at us, we will have no ammunition to use against them.
09:27 AM on 05/25/2010
Hi, Alex. Being gay is not a sin, but homosexual behavior is. If you disagree with the second part of this statement, please explain why.
07:03 PM on 05/17/2010
Gays have a great senses of humor, Evangelicals not so much. I thought about being gay but it just didn't seem to work, Sure I would be dressed better, know a lot more about antiques and understand the fascination with Maddona, Bette, and Liza. Gee, maybe it's genetic. It's a new world. Like Hispanics, gays are not going away.
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danielnedelcu
01:00 PM on 05/17/2010
What is it about 'theology' majors, Gay or not, that can't seem to swallow the hard teachings of the scriptures? The Bible either condemns homosexual behavior or not. It seems everything has to be contextualized to whatever issue someone's going through or time period.
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Ghostberry
All empty souls tend toward extreme opinions.
03:47 PM on 05/19/2010
You are either a brilliant wordsmith, or the most unintentionally hilarious poster of the month! I`m going to get back to swallowing some hard teachings about history now, thank you for the laugh.
11:11 PM on 05/15/2010
Sadly, it's not a simple matter of "getting along," as Rev. Cheng puts it, or of having "civility in discourse." As a lesbian, the reason I don't "get along" with christian evangelicals is because so many of them would rather see me dead, in jail, deported, or punished in some way reminiscent of "The Handmaid's Tale" than quietly living my own life with full citizenship rights, not bothering them at all.

It is impossible to have a civil conversation or get along with someone who thinks I should be erased or "cured." The things that have been screamed at me by these people would make Jesus weep for shame. I have been told that I should commit suicide, that I deserve to die of some horrible disease, that I should be thrown out of "God's country," and my personal favorite, yelled at me by a man carrying a sign with "John 3:16" on it, "You just need a real man to f*** you straight, you sick pervert."

This is not about getting along. This is about protecting my life, my job, and my family from people who will stop at nothing to take away all three.
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02:08 PM on 05/16/2010
Exactly. The author states, "Neither side is blameless. . ."

Really? One side wants only to be considered full US citizens with all the rights and responsibilities accorded to straight citizens--nothing more.

The other wants to debase, disenfranchise, harass, "save", "convert", "change", mentally torture, physically harm, and sometimes kill the first side.

All Revs need to tell the second side to lay off the first and go about their own business.
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ez duz it
οὐκ ἔστιν θεός
11:53 PM on 05/20/2010
I support you in your struggle for full equality.

"Fanned and faved" by a Gay brother...
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onlyinvegas
trying to tolerate ignorance
02:38 PM on 05/15/2010
I always find it surprising that the religious organizations are always trying to grow there flock. And for what reason other than the power of control and monitory gains. When you speak to someone involved in a religious organization they tell you how they have such a personal relationship with god and or jesus. They tell you how the bible is the word of God. Well i can read and I do not need someone else to tell me what the bible has to say. Read it for your self and not for others. Take its meaning for you and you alone and not for others.

Organized religion has perverted this book for power,control and wealth. All of which this book has spoke against. It seem that organized religion always needs a Villain(gay people) to to justify the hate. If you are of the like that it seems you need to be with a group of people to tell you how you should live your life then you have certainly lost your way.
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02:08 PM on 05/16/2010
Amen.
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Asmodean1
Truth is only true if based on facts.
01:19 AM on 05/20/2010
i completely agree butt i have "thoughts"

delete every single book and word not spoken by Jesus himself. i think he was a good man with good iseas on how to behave and act as a human. pitty he died and didn't say more. or what he did say was not in the interests of his followers through the years after his death.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
11:16 AM on 05/21/2010
Jefferson tried just that. Interesting that some quote him as supporting their everything-but-that view of Christianity.
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Donald McKenzie
02:07 AM on 05/15/2010
The last time I checked, Christians were not be tied to fence post and beaten to death. Christians were not being fired from their jobs for being Christian. Please do not paint this discourse so politely. One side has been quite a bit more destructive to the other. Maybe the "not getting alone" is a group of the population just standing up to protect itself.
12:46 AM on 05/23/2010
All negative behavior experienced by homosexuals was caused by Christians? Wow, news to me...and everyone else who reads...
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Grada3784
Dogmatic Dictators, believers or not, not welcome
06:46 AM on 05/24/2010
and everyone else who reads

the claim that this is a Christian country?

It is not, and obviously not all negative behavior gays experience is caused by Christians, but a large part in this country is. It is a price for the hypocrisy over the sexual obsessiveness built into Christianity from the start. Better that you should stick with arguing over circumcision and kosher foods.
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
01:55 AM on 05/15/2010
Scripture is about God and not from God. He had nothing to do with any of it. Now, mankind can get about the business of loving one another sexually and in every other way.
11:37 AM on 05/14/2010
Love your neighbor as your Self.

Unless you're an evangelical and hate anyone you like, since it's the only energy you'll ever get from the Universe.
04:58 AM on 05/14/2010
Oxymoron: evangelicals and gays
04:49 AM on 05/14/2010
Most religions, especially evangelical christianity, is about myth-making and control of personal freedom. It is also anti-reason.
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
01:56 AM on 05/15/2010
Actually, all religions are about control!! Anything in religion having to do with God is purely coincidental.
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danielnedelcu
01:01 PM on 05/17/2010
Well, you two bastions of intellect have got it all down don't you?
04:54 PM on 05/17/2010
I'm not the one who claims to know the great mysterious of life; religious leaders are. They speak with certainty about the "creation" of the universe, and the tell us what will happen upon our death. This is speculation and myth-making, not truth.
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Asmodean1
Truth is only true if based on facts.
01:28 AM on 05/20/2010
lol
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b1rd67
Secular Humanist for Reason, Ethics and Justice.
12:13 PM on 05/13/2010
Teh biggest difference is this: I've never met a gay person who tried to convert me.
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02:10 PM on 05/16/2010
Exactly!
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gaydm
Into the great wide open.
07:15 AM on 05/21/2010
Is that a plea for help to abandon your unnatural straight lifestyle? It is a choice you know. : )
10:33 AM on 05/13/2010
"Neither side is blameless."

This is an absurd article. The LGBT community has been under attack by Christian fascists for decades and we're expected to offer an olive branch? Our rights are up for debate in every election, it was the centerpiece of the 2004 election. It would be like inviting the KKK over for cocktails.

Eighty something percent of Americans identify as Christian including many LGBT people. I blame the larger Christian community for the toxic atmosphere in this country. They have allowed a fascist, fundamentalist Christian minority to define the culture war, a faction of extremists that won't even acknowledge LGBT Christian churches like MCC as legitimate.

It's up to the more moderate and liberal Christians to take control of the debate. We are not alone in our desire to keep religion in its appropriate place, as in out of our lives, most liberals and centrists, gay and straight, feel the same way. Until irrational Christian bigots are put in their proper place in this society, there will be no peace. James Dobson is no better than David Duke. Liberal Christians need to distinguish themselves from this hate through strong words and action, then you will see more LGBT people showing tolerance.

Martin Luther's anti-semitic writings were used as propaganda by the Nazis in WWII. A very poor choice.
11:40 AM on 05/14/2010
If you're not a professional columnist, I suggest you become one.

Your writing is crisp, concise and articulate.

I'm sorry to see the gay writer fawn to a religious base that's less spiritual in nature, and all about the basest levels of human emotionalism to feel good about themselves.

You successfully disarmed both.
11:34 PM on 05/15/2010
amen. tell it! (and i agree w/ johnny). fanned. big-deep-south-hot-summer-sunday-sweatin'-in-country church-fannin' fanned. this recovering southern baptist absolutely agrees.
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Anthony OReilly
10:02 PM on 05/12/2010
"If we Christians profess that God is love, that Jesus has given us a new commandment to love one another, and that the two great commandments have to do with love, why are LGBT relationships, which are grounded in love, any less holy than non-LGBT relationships?"

That was my favorite quote. All of these zealots who claim to be fighting for God are just ridiculous. They take their own phobias and say that God hates them too. It's sickening and part of the reason I can never really be proud to be a Christian.
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Willow712
democratic socialst
08:36 PM on 05/22/2010
Yesterday I was working in a hospital. And someone started talking about Religion. My comment was "Yeah, religion brought about the two Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, burning at the stake and hanging.: And a man sitting at the next table said,"That's why the Lord gave us the Bible. Its our rule book for how to live our life." OMG, I got out of THERE really quickly. This BTW, in Sioux county, Iowa. Home of Rep. Steve King.