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More Troops to Afghanistan?

Posted: 09/11/09 12:17 PM ET

Rumors have circulated for months in Washington that the US commanders in Afghanistan want more troops and would be sending a formal request to the President. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is supposedly sitting on such a request until later in the year. Vice President Joe Biden and National Security Advisor Jim Jones are said to have expressed doubts about a further troop escalation. It is likely that President Obama will soon face a decision whether to increase US forces in Afghanistan above the 70,000 he has already authorized. When he does, what questions should he ask, what decision criteria should he use?

Before we suggest a way of thinking about this decision: As government officials in the 1990s,we advocated US military intervention in Afghanistan and advised candidate Obama on the need for increased US resources and troops for Afghanistan in 2008. Specifically, we recommended and Senator Obama proposed adding two brigades, about 8000 personnel. Since then, President Obama has authorized over 30,000 additional troops.

This is not, however, a numbers game. There is no precisely right or wrong number of US forces that should be in Afghanistan. Some number will be needed for several years. The issue is whether we are pursuing a strategy that defines our goals and tailors our means to them. Thus far, none of our publicly articulated goals seem to reflect what we are actually doing. Depending upon what you think our goals are, we are either doing too much or too little. If our goal is to deny al Qaeda a safe haven in which it can prepare and plan attacks, it might be possible to achieve that outcome with a much smaller US effort. US Special Forces, tactical aircraft, and drones based in and around the capital of Kabul could target and eliminate the terrorists. A nation building effort would not be necessary for such a counterterrorism strategy.

Yet this is what administration officials have proposed: a counter-insurgency program, creation of a national government, a national army, a democratic process, an economy not based on narcotics. If our goal is foster a strong central government, then we are knowingly pursuing something essentially at odds with Afghan history. A strong Afghan national army would mean doubling the number of trained Afghan military personnel that the US is now struggling to field. According to metrics developed by Gen. David Petraeus, a counter-insurgency campaign in Afghanistan would require 1.3 million troops for a decade. That is five times the size of US, NATO, and Afghan government forces today. No one thinks this is feasible and we are not attempting to do so. A classic counter-insurgency strategy therefore is not in the cards.

Apart from the question of strategy, how long can we sustain a deployment of 75,000 troops, the funding, and the public's casualty tolerance If the US presence in Iraq is cut by two-thirds over the next year, the US presence in Iraq and Afghanistan would be about 125,000, more than President Bush deployed. To support that number, a force twice as large would be constantly either preparing to deploy or recovering. Thus, half of US ground forces would be committed to Iraq and Afghanistan for the indefinite future, while Afghanistan emerges as the largest recipient of US foreign aid. An effort of this size enjoys domestic support if the public thinks we're going to win and Congress, the White House and the pundits line up behind the policy. These conditions are already fading. The Administration would be wise to consider a glide path to lower casualties and reduced spending over several years.

In the short term we should continue to attack Taliban and al Qaeda commanders, while offering security to more Afghans. The goal would be to induce Pushtuns in the south and east to disengage from terrorists or violent opponents of the Afghan or Pakistani governments. The Pushtuns must believe that backsliding would cost them financially and militarily. Some US forces would needed as the hammer to enforce these deals for the foreseeable future, but not on the scale required for a nationwide counter-insurgency.

The Obama Administration may not want to say publicly that it is pursuing such a strategy, wanting instead to convince Afghans of all stripes that we are willing to keep a large presence indefinitely. The truth is, however, that we cannot. In deciding whether to accede to requests for more troops, the President should prepare the ground now for an approach that meshes the threat to US security, prospects for success and a sustainable level of funding.

 
 
 
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08:25 AM on 09/14/2009
We shold lead by example. So far we have set a terrible example.
09:09 PM on 09/13/2009
If flag officers eg. generals and politicians were dieing in our wars they would have ended long ogo
Have you folks noticed that the people pushing for war are all Chinking Hawks
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RedDogBear
09:32 PM on 09/13/2009
You don't seem to understand what a "flag officer" is. From Wikipedia, "A flag officer is a commissioned officer who is senior enough to be entitled to fly a flag to represent where he exercises command. The term usually refers to the senior officers in a nation's navy ..., specifically those who hold the rank of ... admiral .... However, it can apply to general officers in the US Army, US Air Force and US Marine Corps, as those officers are permitted to fly their own flags." Its not politicians. Also, people like Cheney, Rumsfield, etc. are "Chicken Hawks" not Chinking Hawks. I'm not sure but I think the term was first coined by one of my favorite newsmen of all time (back when newsmen were newsmen) Mike Royko.
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08:33 PM on 09/13/2009
You guys got it on the nose. One important thing to add is that numbers do not mean a thing. To each task, a certain skill set is equal to a certain force multiplier - so, for example, one Special Forces does not equal one water purification tech - and sometimes the 2nd is more needed.

The important point is that we need a Strategy. We need the for the American people to know what it is, albeit in bold strokes, and we need to execute it.

Ariel Silverstone
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08:02 PM on 09/13/2009
Why don't we just send everyone over there?
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11:42 PM on 09/13/2009
Let's just pay Russia to take over.
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bikerdude
On the left side of progressive
04:33 PM on 09/13/2009
Get us the hell out of there! We need to pull out troops out. We need to establish strong diplomatic ties and that's it. No more dead Americans for Afghanistan or Iraq.
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11:43 PM on 09/13/2009
Excellent. Keep on shouting it to everyone. No more excuses, no more blaming the prior administration, get us out now.
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zakwouldhave
Freethinker. I'm 80% ears. 20% mouth.
02:32 PM on 09/13/2009
No nation building. We have a nation to build here in the United States. Keep a presence in the country to make sure we can keep an eye on the terrorists. That is what terrorists/religious fanatics fear....they do not fear an occupying force trying to win hearts and minds, rebuilding, trying to nation build. They fear special forces and drone attacks.
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billw8017
History looks like this
01:51 PM on 09/13/2009
The central Asian nations are nested between Russia and China. These two nations must be assumed to have the advantage in any struggle for the resources of the area. Furthermore, if you were to check out a world globe, Afghanistan is not exactly on the opposite side from the United States (which is in the Indian Ocean due south) but even more inaccessible. Therefore, to speak of American interests in a country that aside from Heroin and a route into Central Asia has nothing for us, is to raise a false issue.

We have one interest in Afghanistan and one interest only, revenge on Alqaida.

Hanging in to make sure Osama bin Laden is killed might be justified on this basis. We do not know he has not been killed; we have no definite knowledge of where he might be. My personal theory is that after a close call in Tora Bora, he decided to shave and move to Europe where he is now tooling around in his Corvette, picking up women, and visiting the family doctors for regular dialysis. After all, he and his 40+ sibs are among the world's richest people.

So, we are reduced to a pointless vengeance that mostly provokes Muslim goofs and radicals. We ought to pull out just to conserve our military powers. Lingering on in this ever more trivial pursuit only teaches our enemies the better how to hurt us while doing serious hurt to ourselves.
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zerotimes10
03:02 PM on 09/13/2009
Mr. Obama. Go ahead and send 500,000 more troops to Vietnam. I had a "conservative" acquaintance tell me the other day with regard to Iraq that if we go to War we should go to War to win. He was implying that we didn't kill enough people in Iraq to win. He implied that we should firebomb cities and kill every living thing in sight. This is a widely held "conservative" point of view. I wish to note that the "conservative" acquaintance was my niece's fiance who is not in the military and as far as I can tell has no intention of becoming a soldier. He wants other young and old men to go to War and risk their lives while he stays here and marries my niece and lusts after my Brothers very successful business that he hopes to run. Very slippery of him.

So, Mr. Obama satisfy the blood lust of the Right Wing and send their sons and daughters off to die. Who knows, we may get lucky this time.
BubbaC33
Jimmy Buffett is the greatest American
07:57 PM on 09/13/2009
A war is won not by killing the most people, but by forcing the enemy to submit. And one of the problems in Viet Nam was the strategy employed by the US to fight a war that had no set and clear goal, a prescription for failure. Which is the problem with the US policy in Afghanistan. The military has no strategy fro winning and no exit strategy, both of which are important to the goal of defeating the Taliban and destroying al Qaeda.
The US is not in Afghanistan for blood lust or imperialistic goals. The US went into Afghanistan to defeat the powers that attacked America on 9/11/01.
09:20 AM on 09/22/2009
sounds like a personal problem.
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Frog of War
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01:41 PM on 09/13/2009
Discouraging. You're telling us our civilian leaders have no strategy, or at least one they’ll own up to. In effect - MIA, ducking responsibility. Where is the DoS? The“comprehensive approach” our doctrine preaches? Our coalition partners are eyeing the door (never mind most have so many caveats to their participation they can't/won't leave their FOBs). Real change won't come at the point of a gun or adding more foreigners to the mix.

How this morphed from counter-terrorism to counter-insurgency, counter-narcotics, and nation building is beyond comprehension. The COIN kool-aid drinkers are running amuck. We are fielding illiterate, corrupt Army and Police forces. The “glide path” is towards a police state or dictatorship.

You're correct in indentifying the Pashtuns as the center of gravity. But your "carrot and stick" recommendations are off the mark. Not everyone in this part of the world is motivated by financial gain or fear. Is this your great plan? You haven’t said anything that hasn't been said before. I challenge you to come to A'stan and talk to those on the working level. This place is so driven from the top down it defies logic ... as we say here, "you can't make this s.hi.t up.” We need is a strategy based on what is in our national interest. No one seems to know what that is.

3 tours in Iraq and now in A'stan. When I get home this time, this will no longer be my war. I’m exhausted.
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dragonlady620
My karma will run over your dogma
02:05 PM on 09/13/2009
What do you think should happen? I'm not arguing with you, I'm just asking. I haven't seen much evidence that anyone is asking the people who are actually there what they think.
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Frog of War
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03:47 PM on 09/13/2009
A policy of containment - similar to what do with Somalia, Yemen, and other places where terrorists exist. Nation building and an ever expanding COIN mission is recipe for failure. Revert back to a counter-terrorism focus to keep AQ out and the pressure on them on the Af-Pak border, forget "hearts and minds". They aren't buying what we're selling. Use special forces, intelligence, and inducements for reconcilable elements of the Taliban to make A'stan in unwelcome place for AQ.

I'll refer you to the smallwarsjournal.com. They always have a lively discussion. Anything by Col Gian Gentile is spot on. Sadly, it is mostly military commentators, not any of our civilian leadership who conspicuously absent from the discussion as they are in our national strategy development. STRATFOR really gets what's going on here. Read the works of Dr. Thomas Barnett. The recent column by George Will nails it, along with the reply from retired USMC General/former Commandant Chuck Krulak. And the recent interview that CNN did with Fareed Zakaria was enlightening. To these, I say "ditto".

A'stan is not a nation. It is a bunch of nations/tribes cobbled together by its colonial past. No outside power has ever ruled here and no central government has ever survived. The best we can hope to do is contain it and use the outside "soft forces" to integrate it into the international community to make it more "connected" (to quote Thomas Barnett). Unfortunately, the U.S. military cannot do this.
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tnkeating
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12:31 PM on 09/13/2009
Currently there is about 130,000 police officers, state and local in the state of California, the murder and crime rate in our most liberal state in the union can't be controlled by the police, yet we are asking 70,000 men and women to control an entire country and protect themselves at the same time, in an area twice the size of California with simular numbers in populaton. How anyone can think that more troops would not help has to be an idiot, and this goes for our so called leaders. The surge worked in Iraq and we now have weapons that don't require putting humans at risk to gain certain intelligents, the only thing lacking is the mind set and the resolve to end terrorism once and for all. I do have some conflict with this as my nephew has been to Iraq and Afghanastan five times now and it is taking a toll on him, and we have all aged conciderably every time he goes back, I just wish they would take all us old guys instead of our young guys and gals. I'd gladly go in John's place and I would have a job again. PEACE!......... thats just a statement about the duality of man
09:53 AM on 09/14/2009
I agree with your post. We can't eradicate violence and drugs in our country, but somehow we think we can in the ME. I defies logic.

I must confess that I am surprised that this president put himself in such a bad spot. Those that elected him do not support ANY war. So he is constantly up against that resistance. We simply cannot afford this war and really have no business nation building. All attention and resources need to be focused here at home.

That being said, I suspect that once troops get pulled from the ME they will once again come to American soil to do their fighting. We are the target and all we have been really doing for 8 years is keeping them busy elsewhere.
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RedWhiteandBlueState
Let's all be purple.
11:31 AM on 09/13/2009
There was a scene in the "Amityville Horror" when the Devil screams "GET OUT!", scaring the hell out of one of them, chasing them off the property. So what do they do?

They move in.

Can we please just call it a day on the Nation building? Build our own first?
schatsie
Wall Street is Worse than Vegas
10:51 AM on 09/13/2009
thank you for sharing your thoughts and understanding of the conflict and Afghanistan...I have been so tied up with the Healthcare issues, that I have not researched this at all.

Again, I wish Obama would take in the Bush Rejects..YOU ARE THE REAL PATRIOTS who put COUNTRY before Personal Well being...

Thanks again!
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dragonlady620
My karma will run over your dogma
01:28 PM on 09/13/2009
There are several places to research Afghanistan but this is a good place to start:
http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/afghanistan-producing-more-heroin-than-ever/
I would also recommend Richard A. Clarke's book "Against All Enemies"-James Risen's book "State of War" as well.
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fdrrules
10:32 AM on 09/13/2009
Russia nearly bankrupt themselves with a non winnable war with Afghanistan and here is the US showing their usual high intelligence trying to take over a country that Russia failed to conqueror and Russia lives next door with easier logistics.Quit wasting billions more on an unwinnable war.I know Obama likes to think hes Bush 2 by continuing his policies but it makes no sense to stay in a country that doesn't want us and we create more martyrs for al Qaeda to recruit with as we kill more arabs.
09:51 AM on 09/13/2009
This is a pointless military effort. As usual, America is thinking tactically while the Taliban fights on religious pretexts. You cannot defeat religious fanaticism with troops and bombs. As long as there is poverty and ignorance in Afghanistan, there will be religiously inspired fighting.
So if the goal is to make it impossible for religious extremists to even PLAN an attack from that country, that is a ridiculously ambitious goal. You would first have to educate, employ, build infrastructure for, and guard a nation twice thr size of Iraq. Good luck with that.
11:02 AM on 09/13/2009
I think you just described the midwestern part of The United States Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas.
06:15 PM on 09/13/2009
Very nice...
12:58 AM on 09/13/2009
Why must we and the people of Afghanistan endure a continuation of this clearly blown opportunity and continuing debacle? Bring our kids home and disband our Hessians.
11:04 AM on 09/13/2009
what about the poor drug lords and all that cheap h e r o i n
12:22 AM on 09/13/2009
As the authors state, just keeping AQ from establishing itself comfortably does not require tens of thousands of soldiers. If the goal is to help Afghanistan become a functioning nation of its own design (that last part is important), then we might want to get our priorities in line.

Exactly how will Afghanistan pay for this huge police/military force that we want to build so that we can leave? Agriculture - licit and illicit - forms a very large slice of the country's economy. Anyone have any idea how much money we've spent on agriculture? Less than 5% of USAID money has gone directly to agriculture; this year's request is a whopping $27M. And much of what is done is contracted to private companies, so ask yourself how much is really making it where it needs to go. This in a country that only has 25% of its irrigation systems on line...that's 75% less than it had after the Soviet War and the Afghan Civil War.

Our politicians talk about weening Afghanistan from opium, but there's a perennial shortage of seeds for other crops, eg. wheat.

We'll never win the hearts and minds of hungry people by using bullets.
08:35 AM on 09/13/2009
Building the country by building up agriculture to pre-Russian invasion levels would be a good goal. And so would building an Afghan police system.
Before the Russians came barreling into Afghanistan in the late 1970's Afghans exported to their neighbors such fine crops as apricots, various nuts, wheat and seasonal fruits. Then poppy became the main crop because it was supported best by those fighting against the Russians. The Afghans are able to grow other crops but it must become economically feasible to do so.
Putting more money and education into agriculture is the best bang for the buck we have. And along with that is training local and national police. It gives work to local men (long time before women will be allowed to be in the police) who know their tribal areas. Enforcement and security must help farmers make the changes they need.
If the UN could help with exports this would be a useful part of my plan.
If the US increases troop numbers I hope a lot of them are knowledgeable farmers who can provide real help not just bullets.
If the US cannot get a timeline for development and then departure it create the same trap the Bush administration liven within in Iraq.
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zerotimes10
03:06 PM on 09/13/2009
I agree. Grow Food not Bombs.
schatsie
Wall Street is Worse than Vegas
10:54 AM on 09/13/2009
thank you for sharing that information...I was wondering about the Opium issue. Of course jobs is always an issue any more and begs us to control the population (in spite of the wage slave masters).