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Don't Play Wall Street Roulette With Military Retirement

Posted: 08/18/11 06:18 PM ET

This is unacceptable. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has confirmed reports that the Department of Defense is considering cutting and privatizing military retirement:

According to CBS, the plan "would eliminate the familiar system under which anyone who serves 20 years is eligible for retirement at half their salary. Instead, they'd get a 401k-style plan with government contributions."... Under the plan, drafted by the Defense Business Board, retired service members would have to wait until standard retirement age before touching their pensions. It would reportedly save $250 billion over two decades.

Cars are supposed to have their oil changed every three months OR every three thousand miles. There is a reason for that, and it's the same reason servicemembers are eligible to retire and collect a pension after twenty years. While a service member may not be at the traditional retirement age after twenty years, he or she certainly has put down enough miles to warrant cashing out.

All careers aren't created equal. Yes, civilians work longer to get to retirement. But civilians also aren't spending significant amount of time, multiple years that is, away from their families getting shot at. I know plenty of guys that are half way to retirement now and have spent the better part of a decade out of country. When civilians start doing that, then we can discuss bringing military retirement benefits in line with those in the civilian world.

And it's not just that service members deserve it. The excuse for this is the cost-saving measures that will allow the Pentagon to decrease its budget, and part of a larger cut to the federal budget. We've lost tens of billions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not spent money ineffectively but LOST it. We had the money, and now we don't know where it is. The Pentagon is still overpaying for contracts to KBR, L-3, Northrop, General Dynamics, Dyncorp, Raytheon and hundreds of other corporations that are either building crap the Pentagon doesn't need/want, or collecting three times a soldier's salary to do jobs that used to be done by soldiers. And beyond the Pentagon, the richest people and corporations in America are paying the lowest tax rates since the pre-depression era.

And let's imagine for a moment that every service member's retirement funds were in 401k in 2007. How many of them would have anything left to speak of at this point? The retirement that they were promised upon enlistment would be wiped out, thanks to Wall Street greed.

And this doesn't even touch the issue of retention. How many career service members are going to stick around once they're told they aren't getting their pension after twenty years? We will see a mass exodus of the most competent and essential leaders in our force.

With all this, we aren't asking millionaires to sacrifice. We aren't asking defense contractors to sacrifice. We aren't ending wars that cost trillions of dollars while providing no additional security to our nation. To the contrary, we are asking the brave men and women who have volunteered to wear their country's uniform to work longer, deploy more, spend more time away from their families, spend more time in imminent danger and, on top of that, throw their pension on a Wall Street roulette wheel.

That's completely unacceptable, and Pentagon policy makers should be ashamed for even thinking about it.

 

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This is unacceptable. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has confirmed reports that the Department of Defense is considering cutting and privatizing military retirement: According to CBS, the plan "wo...
This is unacceptable. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has confirmed reports that the Department of Defense is considering cutting and privatizing military retirement: According to CBS, the plan "wo...
 
 
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03:35 AM on 10/01/2011
If they cut military retirement, vets are going to need more than military discounts to make ends meet.

http://www.militaryandveteransdiscounts.com/blog/top-states-for-military-discounts
03:29 PM on 08/20/2011
Here is a video that I think responds well to those who say that military service is no different from some civilian job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv6tlS5DCfk
06:47 PM on 08/19/2011
Its the lessor of two evils. Wall Street sucking your blood with privatization, or politicians handing you an iou, then changing the terms on you.
04:18 PM on 08/19/2011
Why is it that the elderly, retired and poor always seem to have the ax at their throats first??? We could save billions from defense cuts from the kick backs, over priced contracts and outright thievery. Seriously...if the DOD and Pentagon can't protect this country with the trillions we have spent already...then YOUR ALL FIRED!!!

Get your pencil pushing asses out from behind your desks and come out in the real world and do what we have done. Have you volunteered to die for anyone lately? Have you been blown up recently and survived? Have you been raped...then called a liar and have the issue shoved under the rug.

When you have experienced any of this go back to your over priced office and take another look and see if retirement should be preserved for those who SERVED 20 yrs. or more.
02:54 PM on 08/19/2011
I agree completely. Veterans earned every penny they receive. Why don't we look to the bankers and politicians who make obscene amounts of money only because of those who serve in the military.
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02:33 PM on 08/19/2011
Why is it that everytime a Democrat is in office, they mess with the military - first, Clinton reduces our forces and closes bases worldwide and now Obama is in office and military pensions are being considered for cut. Hey - how about start within your own department and cut presidential retirement and benefits - their retirement includes 6 figures, still have all military benefits, have the protection of the Secret Service for 10 years and make up to 60k for book tours, speaking engagements, public appearances. Lead by example and reduce the salary of politicians.
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Bataan
03:02 AM on 08/20/2011
I might ask that about Republicans. It was Democrats who had to fight tooth and nail to get VA benefits increased to cover the cost of treating all the wounded from Iraq and Afghanistan. It was Democrats that forced the Bush Administration to fix substandard medical facilities for the military. Yes, Clinton cut the number of troops and closed bases, we should have. There is no need for us to have troops stationed in 130 countries (not counting Marines stationed in US Embassies). You want a larger military? O.K. lets reinstitute the draft...this time with no deferments. When your number is called...you go...period. You could cut the salaries of the draftees that way. Second, how much in increased taxes are you willing to spend on the military? You can't have a big military without paying for it.
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Gestas
Mountain Man
12:36 PM on 08/19/2011
There no such thing as "Compassionate Capitalism" when their done with with you, it's all over.
09:12 AM on 08/19/2011
Once again ignore the real problem - corporate greed - instead just as the governors of Wisconsin and Ohio and other tea baggers do -blaming the unions for their financial problems they created by cutting taxes for the top 2% - the Pentagon leaders are vilifying the war fighters so they won’t have to cut bloated and unnecessary military contracts.
As Gomer Pyle used to say "...Shame, shame, shame..."
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TexasBahr
act as you would like to be treated
09:11 AM on 08/19/2011
I am for whatever monetary policy is proposed for our troops, for people on medicare or medicaid or social security; that same policy must be enforced to our legislators, our senators our public officials proposing those policies. I am seeing way too much legislation being proposed against the worker bee at the expense of the 'ruling class'. We seem to have turned into an AIDS like society in which we are 'feeding' upon ourselves and therefore destroying the whole body.
09:10 AM on 08/19/2011
Hi, Army Brat here, no retired military I know can live off their retirement after only 20 years, the salaries are too paltry for that. Military pay is peanuts compared to the salary for the same job on the civilian side. better idea, cut the pension and bennies for all congressman until they have served 20 years!
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
09:01 AM on 08/19/2011
We know this is just a prelude to doing to vets what has been done to civilians - that money will be long gone by the time vets get ready to retire ....and then the Pentagon will start calling it "an entitlement" and the President will say " he wants to strike a bargain with Amercan vets on their retirement savings" , just like President Obama said before his inauguration about SS.

Unfortunately vets won't be allowed at the bargaining table
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CelticMajic
The answer lies in each of us individually
09:01 AM on 08/19/2011
All save one of the members of this panel had any military experience. All are multi-millionaires. I have one question for them: Would you forgo your current financial status and recalculate along the lines you recommend? Something tells me they would not answer that question. The recommendations they make are for "those military people" not for the members of the panel.
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T2inDC
08:47 AM on 08/19/2011
I notice in all these comments we completely ignore this elephant in the room. The corporate greed machine. It is not just the cause of the inflated military bubget it is the the reason our entire country is in the financial shape that it's in right now. Listed are those coorporations lined up to extract as much tax payer money as they can from bloated and unneccessary military contracts, but there are many more corporations lining up to fill their pockets with the privitization of our retirement money. When will Americans begin to wake up and start demanding more than a spin at the roulette wheel to determine our retirement fate.

This says it all......why can't we cut spending in these areas??

"We've lost tens of billions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not spent money ineffectively but LOST it. We had the money, and now we don't know where it is. The Pentagon is still overpaying for contracts to KBR, L-3, Northrop, General Dynamics, Dyncorp, Raytheon and hundreds of other corporations that are either building crap the Pentagon doesn't need/want, or collecting three times a soldier's salary to do jobs that used to be done by soldiers."
07:49 AM on 08/19/2011
The idea of soldiers, or any govt worker, retiring in their mid 40's is not reasonable. Its ridiculous. Almost all of them pick up a new job anyway, usually in the govt too, and collect two checks. I believe those benefits should be made available at the earliest in their early fifties. Disabilities aside, bad knee's, or credit for time overseas etc..they can be retrained to serve in other capacities and put in a few more yrs. It would save us a alot in training etc..as well.
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carlamariee
Mama told me there'd be days like this
08:35 AM on 08/19/2011
There is nothing in the civilian workforce that is like military service in terms of the stress on body mind and family relationships, and civilians don't put their lives on the line.
08:58 AM on 08/19/2011
I have the greatest respect for the military, but give me a break. There are people traveling 1000 miles a week to work construction jobs with no benefits or retirement. Plus we have a huge amount of people serving in the reserves and a greater number in other govt jobs reaping the benefits. Yes, some deserve it, but most govt empployee's could squeeze out an extra 5 yrs.

We need to take care of our vets, our disabled in combat, for the rest of their lives, and do a better job of it. If it means some mechanic, or paper pushed needs to wait 5 more yrs for benefits, then so be it. Because there are massive cuts comming to the military.
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wolf58
Disabled Vet. Wouldn't have change a thing
07:08 AM on 08/19/2011
As a 100 percent disabled veteran and a father of three current US army service members with five combat tours under their belt, two of which are currently deployed in Afghanista­n and Iraq (of which one has been wounded in combat) I say to those who never have served that think the militarty does not deserve the current retirement system....­.........W­alk in our combat boots, then get back to us. Until then your opinon on the subject means nothing.