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O Reason Not the Need

Posted: 01/17/12 02:24 PM ET

In Act Two of King Lear, the old fading king's nasty daughters, Goneril and Regan, badger their dottering father about letting go of his large, expensive entourage of soldiers and retainers. They argue him down in number to the point where, finally, Regan puts the knife in and asks, "What need one?" and Lear explodes, "O reason not the need!" It's a powerful moment and points to the whole question of need as a reason for possessing or believing something.

That same passionate question of need arises all the time in the arguments between theists and atheistic scientists about the origins of the universe and whether or not God exists. The theists argue that the universe needs God to create and sustain the universe, whereas the atheists argue that it came into being and exists quite well without divine action or intervention.

The two positions remain firm and unyielding to the point where atheists deride religion as ignorant while religion defends its territory and accuse atheists of arrogance. But what if the notion of need is unnecessary and irrelevant to the possible existence of God, especially in relation to cosmology.

If, as appears to be correct, life exists because of the presence of elements created by exploding stars in the billions and billions of galaxies out there and the conditions permitting life to exist and evolution to proceed are the result of the perfectly logical and explainable conditions existing on planet Earth (since so far no life has been found anywhere else), then why is the question of need so bothersome to both theism and science?

One answer is that theists use the necessity of need to offer proof of the existence of God, an argument useful as both a comfort and a reason for God to exist. Atheists counter by arguing that a creator was unnecessary and, therefore, no creator exists. Cosmologists increasingly argue effectively on the basis of continuing theory and supporting evidence for a universe coming into being (or perhaps one being here forever) without divine participation.

But what if we ignore the notion of need altogether? What if theists simply assert from faith that God exists as an integral part of how and why the universe is here at all and not because of divine necessityM What if the universe exists as an aspect of what idealism calls a greater consciousness that operates outside the human brain and which the brains of all creatures have access to at some level? In other words, the god of most religions may not be "other," but may be integral to existence itself.

That sort of argument eliminates the element of need and takes away the derision which the atheistic science community deploys to actively belittle religion as a competitor. After all, being a declared atheist is nothing more than another belief system and is just as speculative as belief in a personal god. Thus, all this argument between science and religion is just a battle between a bunch of avid believers, a contest neither can win, or shall we say, has a prayer of winning.

 
 
 

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07:49 AM on 01/19/2012
"...being a declared atheist is nothing more than another belief system and is just as speculative as belief in a personal god."

This statement is plainly wrong and serves only to highlight a deficit of logic in Dr. Geldard's thinking. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a God or gods, nothing more and nothing less.

This is a logical mistake which too many people make. By asserting that a supernatural being exists, theist are making what is called a positive claim. When you make a positive claim the burden of proof falls on you to prove the truth of that claim. Until such time as valid proof is forthcoming the only reasonable position to hold is one of skepticism. This is a process which every single person practices every day.

Imagine that you get a letter from a company through the post which says; "Send me $1000 and in six months I will give you back $1M." Most sensible people would say, "I don't believe you, prove to me that you are telling me the truth before I send you any money." Now if that company replied and said, "How dare you question my truth and ask for evidence. Your skepticism amounts to nothing more a speculative belief and it offends me and my business." I'm pretty sure that you'd tell them where to stick it...
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07:00 AM on 01/28/2012
If you look up the definition of atheism, you will see that it is the doctrine or belief that there is no god, whereas to be agnostic is the assertion that the existence of a god is unknowable. In my reading of atheist books or tracts atheism reads like a belief system.
08:07 AM on 01/18/2012
Atheist derision of religion doesn't stem from the giant question of how the universe began. It stems from religious extremists trying to pass religious belief as science -- and trying to force that into the classroom. It comes from conscious efforts to create scientific illiteracy.
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05:40 AM on 01/18/2012
There seems to be no need to "ignore the notion of need altogether". For isn’t it enough to see the need for Truth and the need for God as one and the same?
12:02 PM on 01/18/2012
What we need from you is some explanation of your terms otherwise your statement is meaningless. What is "Truth" as opposed to "truth" (truth = that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality)? What is "God"? How do you know of "Truth" or "God"? How are these things connected and what relation, if any, do they have with truth?
03:57 AM on 01/18/2012
The thing about theists arguments is that they can make anything up and offer no evidence to support their assertions. Then they stamp there feet and call us arrogant for pointing out their flaws.

Simply put...That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
01:16 AM on 01/18/2012
Atheism is not a belief system. It's a position in response to a belief system.

Anyway, "need" has nothing to do with atheists refusing to accept claims of a god existing. We don't accept it because there's nothing warranting acceptance. There's no demonstrable evidence of the divine and nothing to suggest a god is "an integral part of how and why the universe is here", therefore we see no reason to believe and find those who do believe to be rather silly. But silliness alone is not what prompts our belittling of believers. It's all the harmful actions prompted by and/or justified by that belief, and how public acceptance of such a faith based belief encourages acceptance of other ridiculous faith based beliefs.
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07:25 PM on 01/17/2012
The problem with faith is in knowing what or who deserves it and who doesn't. I presume you don't have faith in Zeus, Thor, Ra, or tv infomercial salesmen. Why, aside from our society's traditions, should we have faith in the modern god, or faith that angels or demons or heaven or hell exist?
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04:53 PM on 01/17/2012
We have certainly as great a problem with "consciousness" as we have with "need."

A better approach is to regard the cause-effect thinking of science as useful for production. Religion, on the other hand, is not about production but about appreciation. It requires a holistic form of thinking and explanation. Then maybe God is not a cause but a whole. That might purify religion of magic.