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Albert Einstein and the Scientific Proof of 'God'

Posted: 01/ 1/11 07:26 PM ET

As we leave the season when many have celebrated the birth of "The son of G_d", perhaps we might momentarily stop our shopping mall worship ceremonies and ask if "G_d" exists and, if so, who or what he/she/it is.

I believe that science answered that question back at the beginning of the 20th Century and that Albert Einstein and mathematics proved, irrefutably, that there is a precisely quantifiable quantity of energy in the Universe that is even more vast, powerful and awesome than any religion's current definition of G_d ... a quantity of "Force" or "G_d Force" or "Nature" or "Energy" that is so mind-blowing it dwarfs even the grandest conventional imaginations of "the power of G_d".

And, scientifically verifiable and without dispute.

What Einstein figured out represents a Force of such magnitude as to make any thinking person fall to his knees, regardless of the definition ... a Force so vast that not one person, our neighborhood Priest, Imam or Rabbi, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck or even The Pope himself can truly understand it or credibly say they can explain it.

And yet this new definition of the non-definable (thus the funny way of writing it -- as it cannot be contained within or accurately represented by a three letter word) is actually best represented, with scientific accuracy, in a three letter and one number mathematical formula ... a formula that, appropriately, is the most famous in history.

E=MC2

This most cited and powerful equation is also, ironically, one that causes all of G_d's earthly creation to be seconds away from complete annihilation at any moment in time, as it was the source of the secret of the power of the atom and the development of the atomic bomb.

Here's the E=MC2 math and the Theology, all rolled up into one:

Step One: Add all of the matter on Earth and contained in the rest of G_d's creation, 100 billion galaxies, each with about 100 billion stars,

Step Two: Multiply that amount of Matter by the speed of light,

Step Three: Square that number ...

and then understand that every gram of that incalculable amount of matter has the energy of a Hiroshima nuclear bomb.

A 100 pound human, for example, contains the force of approximately 45,000 Hiroshimas. A 200 pound person over 90,000 and 6.5 billion humans, with an average of 100 pounds of mass, contain over 292 trillion times the force of an atomic bomb. Add other animals, mountains, oceans and the mass of the Earth itself and we have approximately 13 septillion pounds or approximately 6 octillion (6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) or 627 atomic bombs worth of force contained in just the Earth itself. Understanding that Earth is a small part of one solar system which is a tiny part of one galaxy which is a tiny part of a Universe estimated to have 100 Billion galaxies, each with 100 Billion such solar systems ... one can quickly begin to comprehend that the quantity of Force/Energy/Power/"G_d" determined by Einstein's tiny formula, E=MC2, is beyond all human comprehension.

E=MC2, scientifically, thus, allows us to define the quantity of Energy in the known Universe. And, if Energy is "G_d", as some believe, or but one of many manifestations or reflections of "G_d" as others may believe, the words, in any spiritual tradition, that "G_d is great" or "G_d is awesome" are almost laughable understatements.

But whatever you call the quantity of Energy or Force in the universe, it is now clear that the ancient depiction of "G_d" as an old White guy with a beard (Santa Claus' brother), does not, in any way, communicate the far more awe-inspiring scientific reality unearthed by Einstein in his 1905 formula.

If we were to mature enough as a species to embrace the scientific "quantification" of the power of the universe as at least one way to begin to approach the definition of "G_d" we would realize that no religion can, with any integrity, manipulate such a definition to its own dogma and practices. Man's ability to understand and appropriate something of this magnitude is like a single plankton cell pretending to explain, or swallow up, or have dominion over all the oceans ... of a billion planets!

So, thanks to Time Magazine's "Man of The 20th Century" and his formula we can begin to appreciate, despite our ego and pride, the insignificance and inadequacy of our understanding of the unfathomable sea of energy that surrounds, and likely, created us.

Einstein, despite his massive intellect, himself surrenders to the unfathomable nature of G_d. He wrote the following in 1932 ...

"The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense of the mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well as of all serious endeavour in art and science. He who never had this experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is a something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious. To me it suffices to wonder at these secrets and to attempt humbly to grasp with my mind a mere image of the lofty structure of all there is."


Indeed.

And perhaps we, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Jews, can reflect on this visionary scientist and his little formula the next time we think we understand that which we call "G_d" and chauvinistically discount those who don't share what is most certainly our own ridiculously inadequate definition.

Richard Greene is a frequent contributor to The Huffington Post, radio host, public speaker and author of the new children's eBook, "E=MC2 and The New Definition of G_d".

 
 
 
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11:52 AM on 01/16/2011
The author's claims that Einstein's calculations represent a god "...even more vast, powerful and awesome than any religion's current definition of G_d," or that "...the ancient depiction of "G_d" as an old White guy with a beard (Santa Claus' brother), does not, in any way, communicate the far more awe-inspiring scientific reality" merely show how limited his own thinking must be, and how impressed he is with explosions. One wonders, among other things, why he thinks these immensely large numbers are larger than infinity, which is what most theologies would say of God's power.

One also wonders what happened to the personal side of God. There may be unimaginable explosive power, but infinite power is only one characteristic of this highly personal and loving God. Most religions, especially Christianity and Judaism (and from his use of "G_d" I infer that the author is Jewish) recognize, in addition to infinite power, that God possesses infinite love, infinite patience, infinite goodness, infinite willingness to instruct, and infinitely high expectations -- all of which are better represented by the old, white guy with the beard than by a hydrogen bomb, no matter how large an explosion it could produce.

Still, I do want to thank Mr. Greene for doing all those interesting calculations. He's right, they are impressively large numbers.
05:37 PM on 01/06/2011
Well, if there is a god your highly generic concept may allow for his existence somewhere somehow in the great unknown. We already have religions based on invisible gods (not particularly distinguishable from the non-existent god religions) so now you are suggesting that we make a religion out of an unknowable god? If this god can't be seen and can't be described - then he obviously can't be held responsible or accountable for anything - sounds like a new super religion is in the making.

Just in passing you should have also noted - that this unknowable god also disproves every religion man has conceived thus far. Ignorance is no excuse for creating a god to explain what you can't.
11:19 PM on 01/05/2011
The "bliss of ignorance" is divine indeed - may you be blessed
07:20 PM on 01/05/2011
Humans live for gaining knowledge about our world, making observations and predictions about it and how it works, and NOT for willingly (note I said willingly) embracing ignorance, or endlessly coming up excuses for why our primitive instincts and notions can't be proved - ever. That's how we have progressed (albeit very slowly because some people and cultures would prefer it that way and would like to retain their fairy tales as long as possible).
07:26 PM on 01/05/2011
Couldn't there still be fire-breathing dragons SOMEWHERE?
05:38 PM on 01/06/2011
Sure one of those parallel universes - probably the one next to the one with the merciful god and honest politicians.
11:19 PM on 01/04/2011
Science does not reveal TRUTH, it simply provides a road map and guide for human interpreta­tion and manipulati­on of nature based on the best empirical evidence (data) available at the time. Newton's laws were never the "TRUTH" they simply worked best until Einstein's came along and replaced them to be replaced by others in the future. Because Science has not come up with empirical evidence for the existence of GOD, does not mean GOD does not exist. So where does that leave a Spiritual person? Spirituali­ty (not organized religion) starts where Science ends, with a LEAP OF FAITH. Once you get as far as Science can take you and still feel the need for more answers you literally leave Science behind and LEAP into Faith. The thing about FAITH and anything that you can conceive with it, is that it is "OPINION", not "fact", so when people of FAITH start claiming that they are right and another is wrong (and killing each other over it) it is as absurd as fighting over whether Rice Krispies taste better than Corn Flakes. Science and Faith are opposite sides of the same coin.
05:58 PM on 01/05/2011
Newton's laws have never been replaced, they have just been refined and enhanced by Einstein. They work perfectly well for everyday experience and prediction of motion. Unlike religious dogma, the observations and conclusions scientists make are ALWAYS subject to validation, proof, refinement, change and evolution and scientists are usually the first to admit if they get something wrong. There is rarely a sea-change in scientific outlook, however, and mostly new theories build on previous theories - they don't replace them or tear them down. Newton's ideas are mostly still relevant and valid.
07:38 PM on 01/05/2011
Close, but not exactly. In relativity theory, the total energy of a body is not mc^2, but gamma * mc^2, where gamma is a function of velocity that is 1.0000 for a body at rest, but which becomes infinite as v approaches the speed of light. Gamma remains almost exactly one over a wide range of low speeds, but not _quite_ exactly one; it turns out that when you approximate gamma for low speeds, then you find the total energy is E = mc^2 + (1/2)mv^2.

The first term is the "rest" energy, which a body has just by being there; it's enormous. The second is the kinetic energy you learn about in school. They're both included in (gamma) * mc^2, perfectly.
02:16 AM on 01/04/2011
The author's point seems to be that E = mc2 = God.
Energy is the definition of God?
Since energy is a natural entity of the universe, and religion's conception of God is a supernatural being, equating the concept of God with Energy makes no logical or linguistic sense. If something is natural, than it cannot, by definition, be supernatural at the same time.
If we are defining the energy in the universe to be God, then we are actually saying that there is no supernatural entity, ie, no God.
Why don't we just say that and skip all the circular reasoning? Why don't we just say that WE are responsible for the way we behave and for what we do to each other and to the earth? We can dispense with the concept of God altogether.
Incidentally, not terribly germaine to the author's point, but Einstien had no concept of dark matter and dark energy. We don't understand the makeup of these recently discovered entities, but we know they exist based upon their interaction with normal matter and energy. Scientists now theorize that the net energy in the universe is actually close to zero.
So much for the argument that our concept of God should be base upon the unfathomable amount of energy in the universe!
06:04 PM on 01/05/2011
Good points all. By the way E(eistein) = m(c^2) is only 2*E(newton)=m(v^2)/2 - so its not orders of magnitude larger
07:32 PM on 01/05/2011
Hmm. Not exactly. The full relativistic energy is gamma*mc^2, where gamma is a function that is almost exactly 1 for low speeds, but diverges toward infinity as you approach the speed of light. At low speeds, gamma is, more closely, 1 + v^2 / (2 * c^2). So, at low speeds, E = mc^2 * (1 + v^2 / (2 * c^2)), or mc^2 + (1/2) mv^2. The first term is the relativistic "rest energy", which is what the author is going on about; the second is the more familiar Newtonian kinetic energy, which you learn about as a high-school student. So Einstein's relativity simply extends Newtonian mechanics and predicts just the same behavior at low speeds. It's lovely, actually.
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08:57 PM on 01/03/2011
Atheists do not believe there is a God but do they believe in a supernatural world or dimension?.
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MagicManDoneIt
When facts are lacking. Just say...
01:12 AM on 01/04/2011
Typically, no, but there are exceptions.
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JohnFromCensornati
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
08:18 AM on 01/04/2011
Some do. Some don't. Atheisim is disbelief in *gods*.
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07:41 PM on 01/03/2011
I saw this a little further down on the thread and just thought I would source it:

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Albert Einstein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein%27s_religious_views
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08:58 PM on 01/03/2011
What does this mean to you?
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MalloMel
09:05 PM on 01/03/2011
Exactly what it says. What does it mean to you?
09:54 PM on 01/03/2011
Pretty clear to me.
12:13 PM on 01/04/2011
The fact that Einstein specified that he didn't believe in a "personal" God (e.g. a white bearded guy) seems to imply he's open to another "idea" of God (e.g. Mr. Greene's). Otherwise, why not just say he doesn't he doesn't believe in God.
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Dis eas all yoooour fault
11:57 PM on 01/04/2011
Because the public backlash would've been inconvenient and bothersom.
04:43 PM on 01/03/2011
Einstein also knew diplomacy and wanted to make it in the U.S. in the 1940's
04:18 PM on 01/03/2011
Boy, oh boy, what a mess when an attorney tries to discuss physics!!!

First of all, he already made a big mistake with step #2, not to mention step #3 (so it doesn't give you much confidence in the rest of the piece).

So what if it's a big number - what's the problem with that?? The density of matter (and energy) in a black hole is essentially (or actually) infinite, so does that mean every black hole = "god"?? Remember, Einstein didn't really believe in quantum mechanics either and had trouble coming up with new discoveries after the age of thirty. That means Einstein didn't have ALL the answers to everything and wasn't infallible (just really good in certain areas of basic physics). And, just because he preferred to believe there could still be a god (and maybe partly because of his strong Jewish identification), doesn't mean he had that right either. Some of his quotes concern provable statements, while some just concern "human feelings" THAT NOW ALSO HAVE SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATIONS (which didn't exist back then). Indeed we can now see images of people having, supposedly, "spiritual experiences" and they don't look much different than people on various drugs, or subjected to electrical brain stimulation. If humans can easily "simulate god" - how real can the concept be? I don't think Einstein would have been too happy with these recent findings and he might even have become an atheist given them (of coarse we will never know).
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07:01 PM on 01/03/2011
Missed the point, Truth-Seeker.

The point is that the "G_d" that most Christians and Jews and Muslims have (and that causes many of the world's problems) is NOT an anthropomorphic figure with a long white beard, nor a "man" at all. It is a combination of an unfathomable amount of energy and an unfathomable amount of "consciouness". Once we get rid of the 2,000+ year old definitions we can move forward and have intelligent conversations about "G_d", religion and how religions are mostly outdated institutions.
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08:59 PM on 01/03/2011
""G_d" that most Christians and Jews and Muslims have (and that causes many of the world's problems)"
How about some stats to go with that.
09:52 PM on 01/03/2011
Sorry to be snarky (as usual), but please prove the "consciousness" part. At least, THAT, should be easier to prove than, say, something like "love". Something is conscious if it responds in interesting and unpredictable ways to stimulus and can be shown to be thinking (among many other characteristics). Are you trying to say that this universe of ours that, at least for now, appears to be full of all this (intuitively) unfathomable energy (which IS fathomable to many physicists), is indeed thinking and conscious in any sense that humans would identify with? There clearly is conscientiousness in the universe (we are proof of that), but that is not the same as saying the universe has a consciousness.

Yes, there is lots of information and logic all around - but is that synonymous with thought and consciousness? I think Einstein was identifying with the former "wonder of it all" and "us being here" to perceive it, but not the later concept. But then, unfortunately, we can't ask him, or speak for him anymore, so I will just stick with the simplest and most literal interpretation of what he said, and realizing that even Einstein made mistakes sometimes (though rarely).
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03:51 PM on 01/03/2011
On another note, the net energy of the universe, combining actual free energy, energy stored as matter, and negative energy in things like gravity and other elements of the universe, is very close to zero (and possibly even actually zero, depending on how good our measurements are):
http://www.curtismenning.com/ZeroEnergyCalc.htm

You won't see a story about that from Richard Greene, I'm sure... this was a case of someone vigorously pounding a square peg into a round hole.
04:09 PM on 01/03/2011
Exactly!!! More "numerology" B.S. by people who don't really understand much about physics (especially quantum physics).
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dugmaze
Any man's death diminishes me
10:54 PM on 01/03/2011
" the net energy of the universe...is very close to zero"

Do we really know that? Wouldn't that be assuming we know all forms of energy?

How much energy does one electron contain?
08:47 AM on 01/05/2011
511,000 electron Volts, more or less. That's if it's at rest. More if it's moving.
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Michael McElroy
03:38 PM on 01/03/2011
Gotta be honest... that just looks like a massive abuse of the word 'energy'. Energy is things like heat, sound vibration, and kinetic energy. He's really getting worked up over a weird definition. Energy isn't a thing; it's a measurement of the ability of a physical system to do work. To me it sounds like someone waxing poetic over Size.
04:13 PM on 01/03/2011
What??? Size DOESN'T matter when talking about "god"????
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Cole 33
Careful. We don't want to learn from this.
02:16 PM on 01/03/2011
Lawrence Krauss I believe has been speaking about the idea of the universe being eternal, and that "non-exist­ence" or "nothing" is an impossibil­ity. that even when there was "nothing" in space, there was still existence, there was still SOMETHING THERE.

It handles the "creator" issue being that there was nothing to create as existence has never NOT existed.

he talks about nothing as an abstract IDEA (theres "nothing" in the cup) but the there can never be nothing, there can be lack of matter, planets, suns, etc etc. but even in empty space THAT IS existence.
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04:17 PM on 01/03/2011
Lawrence Krauss has quickly become one of my favourites. I've watched pretty much all the lectures and debates from him that I can find on the net.
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Cole 33
Careful. We don't want to learn from this.
10:06 AM on 01/04/2011
Yeah he's a great lecturer. It's a pretty straight forward too, the idea that existence never had a beginning the was never nothing for something to come from, there has always BEEN SOMETHING for something to come from, handles the god issue, and the beginning issue, handles the big bang. easy to wrap your head around
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Seaniebhoy
01:25 PM on 01/03/2011
Again....nobody can prove or disprove that God exists...there just is not enough evidence, and we just are not smart enough to figure it out yet....maybe some day, but not yet.
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sLUCIDITy
No Deity Is My Shepherd For I Am Not A Sheep
04:20 PM on 01/03/2011
But...various factors point to the unlikelihood of any deity, particularly a 'theistic' deity but even including a 'deistic' deity.
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David Valentine
04:29 PM on 01/03/2011
"n­obody can prove or disprove that God exists..."
n­obody can prove or disprove that invisible pink unicorns exist...
n­obody can prove or disprove that the Tooth Fairy exists...
n­obody can prove or disprove that Santa Claus exists...
n­obody can prove or disprove that the Easter Bunny exists...
n­obody can prove or disprove that Russell's Teapot exists...

Etc. You get the idea.
10:32 PM on 01/03/2011
Ah, but you can always postulate some probabilities. I take it for all the above, those are pretty small indeed. What do you think the probability that man made climate change is real?
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dugmaze
Any man's death diminishes me
11:01 PM on 01/03/2011
80-90% of the entire world believe in God or some form of religion.

10-20% believe in the other things.

Which category do you fall under?
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merger
11:50 AM on 01/03/2011
Awesome
04:26 PM on 01/03/2011
What's awesome? The fact he doesn't understand physics and can't do a simple calculation (much less check it twice")? Would you want this guy as your attorney if you were facing the death penalty?