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Richard T. Hughes

Richard T. Hughes

Posted: March 16, 2010 05:45 PM

This two-part series of articles is based on Hughes' recent book, Christian America and the Kingdom of God (Illinois 2009).

In part 1 of this article, we posed this riddle: why do so many evangelical and fundamentalist Christians -- people who clearly honor the Bible -- so often disregard the two requirements that are central to the biblical vision of the kingdom of God, namely peacemaking and justice for the poor?

Why Focus on "Conservative Christians"?

Some readers quite correctly pointed out that conservatives tend to be more generous toward the poor than liberals, but to frame the issue like that only muddles it. The Bible never suggests that we adequately fulfill our responsibilities through "generosity" toward the poor. Rather, the Bible summons Christians to radical solidarity with the poor and radical opposition to those demonic, systemic structures -- what the Bible calls "the principalities and powers -- that sustain the rich and powerful at the expense of the poor and the dispossessed.

Historically, Christians in the United States -- both liberal and conservative -- have been extraordinarily reluctant to take up that battle. To appreciate this point, one need only consider the American church's long, 350-year complicity in slavery and segregation.

Further, to claim that conservatives are more generous than liberals sidesteps the fact that neither group is all that generous toward the poor to begin with. It also sidesteps the fact that neither conservative Christians nor liberal Christians are called to compare themselves with one another. Instead, if Christians are serious about following Jesus, the only meaningful comparison is with Jesus' picture of the kingdom of God, and when measured by that standard, American Christians across the board -- liberals and conservatives alike -- fall woefully short.

Why, then, would I write a two-part article that singles out conservative rather than liberal Christians for a comparison with that biblical vision. First, conservative Christians are typically far more adamant than liberals in their claims that they are "Bible-believing Christians" who take the Bible seriously at every point. It is therefore fair to ask how successfully they live out a theme that stands at the center of the biblical text -- the biblical vision of the kingdom.

The second consideration is perhaps even more important. For almost forty years, the most visible representatives of the Christian religion in the United States have been conservatives, not liberals. I have in mind the electronic evangelists -- those leaders of the Christian Right like Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, James Kennedy, Pat Robertson, and a host of others -- who have been extraordinarily vocal about their vision of the United States as a Christian nation. Not once have I heard any of those preachers define the Christian religion in terms of either (1) peacemaking or (2) justice for the oppressed, the poor, the marginalized, and those who suffer at the hands of the world's elites -- themes that are central to the biblical vision of the kingdom of God.

To the contrary, these preachers have often gone out of their way to support the principalities and powers that oppress marginalized people. Various televangelists at various times, for example, have told the American people that God has chosen the United States for a destiny of dominance in the world, that Jesus' followers should prosper and never be poor, and that Christians should rally to support America's wars against the enemies of God. In a word, most televangelists of the Christian Right have preached a gospel that is radically antithetical to the biblical text, and by proclaiming this pseudo-gospel, they have discredited the Christian religion almost beyond belief. It is surely time to measure their preaching by the biblical vision of the kingdom of God!

The Kingdom of God and the Common Good

According to the Bible, the kingdom of God and the nations of the earth -- including "Christian America" -- embody radically different values. The kingdom of God relies on the power of self-giving love while nations -- even so-called "Christian" nations -- rely on the power of coercion and the sword. For that reason, nations -- even "Christian" nations -- inevitably go to war against their enemies, while the kingdom of God has no mortal enemies at all. The kingdom of God is universal and those who promote that kingdom care deeply for every human being in every corner of the globe, regardless of race or nationality. But earthly nations -- even so-called "Christian" nations -- embrace values that are inevitably nationalistic and tribal, caring especially for the welfare of those within their borders. And while the kingdom of God exalts the poor, the disenfranchised, and the dispossessed, earthly nations inevitably exalt the rich and powerful and hold them up as models to be emulated. In fact, in the context of earthly nations -- even so-called "Christian" nations -- the poor seldom count for much at all.

In light of that comparison, it must be obvious that when I speak of the common good, I don't have in mind the American dream of a chicken in every pot or three cars in every garage or the American notion that freedom ultimately means freedom to shop. In fact, I don't have in mind anything uniquely American at all. Instead, when I speak of the common good, I have in mind what the Bible envisions for all humankind -- life and not death. But when the principalities and powers define the common good, they typically mean the good life for some, and the good life for some invariably means poverty, hunger, nakedness, and finally death for all the others.

One final introductory comment: several who commented on the first article also questioned the accuracy of my claim that the biblical vision of the kingdom of God is really all that central to the biblical text or, for that matter, to what Christians call "the gospel." But the Christian gospel always has two central components -- the unmerited grace that God extends to us and, in response, the unmerited grace that we should extend to others. I John makes this point as well as any other biblical text: "Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers." (I Jn. 3:16) That is as clear a picture of the kingdom of God as one is likely to find.

Resolving the Riddle

We want now to offer some possible ways to resolve the riddle, posed in part 1 of this article, of why so many evangelical and fundamentalist Christians -- people who clearly honor the Bible -- so often disregard the two requirements that are central to the biblical vision of the kingdom of God, namely peacemaking and justice for the poor.

Most of the answers to this riddle are rooted in the fact that millions of conservative Christians in the United States read the Bible through a variety of American perspectives that are utterly foreign to the biblical text. And they read the Bible in this way because they so often identify the kingdom of God with the United States of America. Based on that conviction, many confuse the principles of the Bible with the principles of the Constitution, biblical morality with capitalism, defense of the Christian religion with militarism, and fidelity to the kingdom of God with patriotism. Indeed, they often view the Bible as a manual on how to live one's life as a good American. With those convictions, it's no wonder they read the Bible through distinctly American perspectives.

American Individualism and the Life to Come

Chief among these perspectives is the American bias toward radical individualism -- a bias that quickly translates into a privatistic form of religion that essentially excludes concern for the common good. In this scenario, the Christian faith sustains one's own private and personal relation with Jesus and little else.

But there is more, for millions of American Christians have linked this radical individualism to an otherworldly bias that exalts the life to come and demeans life on earth in the here and how. In effect, they have turned their backs on the Hebrew worldview that life on this earth really matters, a perspective that informs the biblical text from start to finish. Instead, they opt for a Greek perspective that views this life as little more than a prelude to the only true life -- life in the world to come. Obviously, this perspective renders peacemaking and social justice utterly irrelevant.

The Christian experience in the slaveholding South greatly enhanced the bias that exalts the life to come and demeans life on this earth, since that was precisely the message that southern preachers routinely preached to the slaves. The fact is, white Christians in the antebellum South could not afford to admit -- either to themselves or to the slaves -- that the Christian faith held vast implications for freedom and justice on this earth. Had they admitted that truth, they would have had to grant both freedom and dignity to their slaves. They therefore took pains to conceal this great truth for over 200 years. And in the process of concealing it from the slaves, they also concealed it from themselves so that white, evangelical Christianity in the American South became profoundly otherworldly in its orientation.

This was precisely the bias that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. encountered when Southern preachers dismissed the Civil Rights Movement with the badly mistaken judgment that "those are social issues with which the gospel has no real concern." This is also the bias that drives many American fundamentalists to welcome the prospect of nuclear annihilation. After all, they claim, a nuclear Battle of Armageddon would fulfill the biblical prophecies. But Christians, they argue, will escape this destruction through the rapture and the life to come.

If you find this unbelievable, listen to the words of John Hagee, a rapture theologian and pastor of the 17,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas: "Believers in Christ will escape doomsday! Mark it down, take it to heart, and comfort one another with these words. Doomsday is coming for the earth, for nations, and for individuals, but those who have trusted in Jesus will not be present on earth to witness the dire time of tribulation."

Or consider this example. A few years ago, I was discussing global warming with a class of first-year students when one of those students objected that, in his view, global warming was a farce. "But even if it's true," he argued, "why should Christians be concerned? God will rapture Christians away from this earth in any event, leaving the godless to deal with global warming."

It's pretty clear that when Christians understand their faith only in privatized terms, and when they affirm the life to come at the expense of the here and now, they negate concern for the common good. And, ironically, they also negate any meaningful allegiance to the Bible, the Christian faith, or the biblical vision of the kingdom of God, in spite of their claims to the contrary.

Reading the Bible Through the Lens of American Capitalism

If millions of evangelicals and fundamentalists in the U.S. read the Bible through the lens of radical individualism and a preoccupation with the life to come, they also read it through the lens of American capitalism. Thus, Bill McKibben reported in 2005 that "three-quarters of Americans believe the Bible teaches that 'God helps those who help themselves.'" The truth is, these words are not in the Bible but come from the mouth of Ben Franklin. And, as McKibben noted, "not only is Franklin's wisdom not biblical; it is counter-biblical," since the core message of the Bible focuses on laying down one's life for one's neighbor, not on helping oneself. But Christians who read the Bible through the lens of American capitalism will inevitably read self-help into the biblical text and will seldom discern in that text the biblical vision of the kingdom of God with its emphasis on peacemaking and justice for the poor.

But the notion that "God helps those who help themselves" has informed the social ethics of millions of Christians -- both liberal and conservative -- over the years of the American experiment. It has long been a staple in the American imagination that the poor are poor because they are lazy and the rich grow richer because they are good -- a platitude satirized by Archie Bunker on the popular 1970s sitcom, All in the Family. And today the conservative slopes of the American religious landscape are dotted with preachers who proclaim the American gospel of prosperity -- that in order to prosper, one need only believe! But however one frames the proposition, it all comes down to the same American conviction that "God helps those who help themselves." And once again, the poor get lost in the shuffle.

Reading the Bible Through the Lens of Power and Control

There is one more answer to the question of why conservative Christians so often fail to discern the themes of peace and justice that are so dominant in the biblical text, and this final answer points us back almost five hundred years to John Calvin's Geneva. Calvin made much of the biblical metaphor of the "kingdom of God" and sought to superimpose that kingdom onto the city where he served as pastor. Calvin wanted the kingdom of God to transform Genevan culture, Genevan politics, Genevan art, and Genevan family life until Geneva finally bowed to the sovereignty of Almighty God. Put another way, God's sovereign rule stood at the heart of Calvin's vision for Geneva.

More than anyone else, Calvin stands at the fountainhead of the Reformed tradition that has given this country its Puritans, Presbyterians, and Baptists. And more than any other expression of the Christian religion, the Reformed tradition dominated American culture for many years -- well into the nineteenth century -- thereby helping shape the character of the United States.

Much to Calvin's credit, he understood that God's sovereignty required compassion for the poor, and under his leadership Geneva erected elaborate structures to insure that no citizen would fall through the cracks. The tragedy in the history of Calvinism is that later Calvinists, especially in the United States, disconnected what seemed so obviously connected for Calvin -- God's rule on the one hand, and His concern for the poor on the other. In the hands of many later Calvinists, the sovereignty of God simply meant -- to put it crassly -- that Christians should control the social order. In this context, the themes of power and control slowly displaced the themes of peacemaking and justice for the poor.

This tragic tale is the story of American fundamentalism, for in the early twentieth century, when Christian America, built by nineteenth-century evangelical Christians, began to falter under the heavy weight of evolution and biblical criticism, fundamentalism emerged to reclaim America as a model kingdom of God. But unlike the biblical vision for the kingdom of God that exalted peace-making and justice for the poor, the fundamentalist vision for the kingdom of God exalted the domestic and global triumph of the Christian faith through the use of political power and, if all else failed, through American military might. The late Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority understood the kingdom of God precisely in these terms. And so does Ann Coulter, who claims to represent the Christian faith but who, in the aftermath of 9/11, argued that the United States "should invade their countries [Muslim nations], kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

This definition of the kingdom of God as a kingdom of political power helps explain why so many fundamentalist and evangelical Christians lent such broad support to America's war against Iraq. It also helps explain the rise of the Christian Reconstruction Movement led by the late R. J. Rushdoony, a Calvinist who argued that Christians should control civil government and that biblical law should govern the United States. It also helps explain a large and thriving contemporary network, closely akin to the Christian Reconstruction Movement, called the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) -- a network that works through business, politics, religion, and the media to promote Christian control of the United States and even the world.

In his recent book The Family, best-selling author Jeff Sharlet explains in graphic detail what the "kingdom of God" might look like when fundamentalist and evangelical Christians define that kingdom as a kingdom of power, not a kingdom of peace and justice for the poor. Sharlet's book exposes what he calls "the secret fundamentalism at the heart of American power" -- an organization called "the Family," composed of United States senators, judges, generals, and wealthy entrepreneurs, "bent not on salvation for all but on the cultivation of the powerful 'key men' chosen by God to direct the affairs of the nation." Sharlet adds: "If populist fundamentalism takes as its battleground domestic politics, to be conquered and conformed to the will of God, elite fundamentalism [represented by the Family] sees its mission as the manipulation of politics in the rest of the world." In sum, Sharlet explains, what the Family wants is "power, worldly power, with which Christ's kingdom ... [can] be built, cell by cell."

Conclusions

So when we ask why so many Christians -- especially fundamentalist and evangelical Christians -- so often fail to discern the themes of peace and justice that are so central to the biblical vision of the kingdom of God, at least some answers seem clear: the common identification of the kingdom of God with "Christian America," the assumption that capitalism and the kingdom of God are compatible ideals, the assumption that the kingdom of God is essentially private and future with no meaningful implications for the common good in the present age, and the conviction that the kingdom of God is a kingdom of power, domination and control.

As long as notions like these continue to influence fundamentalist and evangelical Christianity in the United States, it is safe to assume that organizations like World Vision or the Sojourners network will be the exception, not the rule, in the world of conservative Christian faith. But if fundamentalist and evangelical Christians took seriously the biblical vision of the kingdom of God, they could help transform our globe into a world of peace that is built, in turn, on justice for the world's poor. And in this way, they would contribute immeasurably to the common good for men, women, and children throughout the world.

 
This two-part series of articles is based on Hughes' recent book, Christian America and the Kingdom of God (Illinois 2009). In part 1 of this article, we posed this riddle: why do so many evangelical...
This two-part series of articles is based on Hughes' recent book, Christian America and the Kingdom of God (Illinois 2009). In part 1 of this article, we posed this riddle: why do so many evangelical...
 
 
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05:30 PM on 04/05/2010
"Funny, but somehow hypocritical, that these friends are in positions to actually Do some good, and HELP others and yet they don't. Most are retired, as I am, but they do not leave their homes to volunteer for any group that helps the needy.

Easy to send emails but harder to do the actual work. I volunteer for both the Salvation Army in the thrift store here and also at St. Vincent de Paul in the "help office" where we help those in need of food, funds for medical prescriptions or utilities, clothing and household goods. I do not go to church, and consider myself an "equal opportunity heathen".

Too bad that so many talk the talk but don't walk the walk. As the old cowboy saying goes"

The above quote is what I enjoy best about these boards! Salvation Army and St. Vincent de Paul gather a large amount of their funding and volunteers from conservative type Christians. I applaud the above person for helping. But who's judging who? So what if a few people you know don't help, I guess we can then make the assumption that most if not all conservative Christians are hypocrites. That's a broad brush and a very judgmental statement! I have worked with the homeless and hurting for 30+ years and the vast majority of workers I work with are conservative Christians.
04:41 PM on 04/04/2010
There are plenty of us with and without faith wanting world peace. The first step is understanding that we don't have to belong to an organized religion. One does not have to be faithfull to appreciate the fables of Jesus or Buddha.
We can still be Americans, be charitable and pursue happiness in harmony.
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01:39 AM on 04/04/2010
To Richard T. Hughes:

Grateful thanks to you for a well-written article, full of heart and compassion, rather than scripture-distorting justifications for greed, power lust, and war-making — all in the name of a man who embodied none of those vices.

It sometimes seems that such voices as yours — far closer to the essence of Jesus's teachings than the multitude of strident, self-serving, selective interpretations — have all but disappeared.

How wonderful to discover from time to time that it isn't so!
06:05 PM on 04/02/2010
I wonder what Jesus had to say:

13And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me.

14And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?

15And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
--Luke 12
02:29 PM on 04/02/2010
I ‘m a Christian who happens to be a conservative. I suppose that the one thing I can agree with is that the rugged individualism of America (the once radical idea of valuing individuals over state) has distorted the American church's view of the Kingdom of God. And certainly our political/economic ideologies can be a lens by which we view scripture. That applies to Mr. Hughes as well.

That is unfortunately where the agreement ends. I don't know where to begin - the misrepresentations of both conservatism AND Christianity are simply staggering.

First Mr. Hughes addresses well-known charitable giving statistics about conservatives vs. liberals. It is astounding how Hughes is able to brush this aside as if it is meaningless, then continue the article under the assumption that conservatives are less interested in “the common good”, or solving social ills. “Neither group is all that generous toward the poor”, he says. Here Hughes selectively ignores how worldview influences one’s actions. Conservatives are 25% more prone to charitable giving (10% more likely even with secular causes), likely because they consider charity and compassion more of a personal responsibility, and less of a role of the gov’t. American’s are indeed the most charitable individuals in the world, giving for example 14x what the average Italian gives. It is all to convenient of a side step to say that neither side measures up to the Kingdom of God – it is obvious that differing worldviews cultivate differing levels of personal generosity.
02:32 PM on 04/02/2010
Hughes diverts by insisting that the bible refers to generosity as opposing “what the Bible calls ‘the principalities and powers -- that sustain the rich and powerful at the expense of the poor and the dispossessed.” The singular quotation mark is most confusing – seems to somewhat imply that this quote comes from the Bible. Problem is, it’s no more a part of scripture than his Ben Franklin quote. “Principalities and powers” is something that is found in scripture, but in virtually every case refers to spiritual evil – Satan and his legions – and not economic inequalities. Hughes has abandoned scriptural orthodoxy to view scripture though a political lens, and the result is that he interpret our spiritual battles as being not against spiritual evil, but against inequitable economic outcomes.

The claim that Christianity has been reluctant to address large social ills like racism and segregation is to look at history through a strange lens. Wilberforce appealed to Christianity to launch the first voluntary abolitionist movement in the world. The civil rights movement in the US was deeply religious. Christians have often been at the forefront of such movements. What Hughes desires is for campaigns against economic inequalities to be seen in such light. One might point out though that our risk/reward system emphasizing economic freedom has generated unprecedented prosperity, and that creating economic opportunity for the poor may involve bolstering these freedoms, not stifling them. Hughes has mistaken the left’s economic solutions for the ONLY economic solutions.
02:38 PM on 04/02/2010
What can I say from here. Hughes continues with typical arguments from the left – using fringe examples like televangelists and end-times gurus. Sure, “God helps those who help themselves” is antithetical to the gospel, which emphasizes our total dependence on Christ. But don’t confuse our spiritual position before God with the wisdom of the Bible as it relates to personal economics. Proverbs continually reminds us that we reap what we sow, and that a man who does not work shall not eat. God commands personal responsibility, just as he commands compassion and generosity.

In general, several problems remain with Christian leftism. 1) A faulty definition of governmental justice. The Bible says this: “You shall not commit a perversion of justice; you shall not favor the poor and you shall not honor the great; with righteousness shall you judge your fellow.” (Leviticus 19:15)
2)The age old liberal fallacy is to flip the responsibility of gov’t with the responsibility of the church or individuals. Gov’ts are called to justice, the church is called to mercy and compassion. It is NOT compassion to spend someone else’s money.
3) Utopianism. At the core of the argument is that Christians should advocate for redistributive policies are good for the poor. The results of our 50-yr war on poverty show that they are not. They created suffocating, dehumanizing dependency. Social programs have never created economic opportunity - they historically stifles it. Trade in short-sighted utopianism for time-tested realism.
06:42 AM on 04/02/2010
I'm a conservative Christian and am all for social justice properly understood, but I object to the liberal defintion of the Kingdom of God in terms of Marxism, socialism and Feminism because all of these are merely human and highly imperfect systems. They preach class warfare-something that Jesus never preached. AS an autistic lower-income man liberal theology has nothing to offer me. I earn less that the average FEMALE income but Feminism condemns me for what other, much wealthier men earn and do. Traditional Christianity offers me an EQUAL CHANCE for eternal glory; autism denied me an equal chance at earthly success. I believe in social justice as a SUPPLEMENT to traditional Christianity, NOT a replacement for it. I have no hope that Feminism, Marxism, and socialism will produce perfecr social justice.
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01:04 AM on 04/04/2010
I've read Hughes's article several times, and I don't see a single instance where he defines the "Kingdom of God in terms of Marxism, socialism and Feminism". Nor does Hughes "preach class warfare".

Where ever did those come from? (You didn't project them, did you?)

Hughes advocates that social justice be neither "supplement" nor "replacement" for Christianity. Instead, he sees social justice as the *essence* of Jesus's teachings, whether carried out collectively or individually.

Do you think your "equal chance for eternal glory" might be affected ever so slightly by reading the neo-conservative, neo-Calvinist political agenda into what Hughes said?

Do you suppose that placing that political agenda above Jesus's actual teachings, however inconvenient and incomprehensible they may seem amidst the consumerism and materialism in which our culture has long drowned us, will somehow prepare you for your other-worldly, next-life "glory"?

That political agenda has left quite a legacy: endless war waged in the name of the Prince of Peace. (See any contradictions there at all? Did Jesus wage war?)

But in all fairness, your comment and the comments of so many others who subordinate spirit to political self-interest are almost as illuminating as Hughes's post. The sheer obtuseness and tenacity of these defense mechanisms, and the finger-pointing at the Other (those hell-bound socialists!), really have to be seen to be believed.

What would Jesus have greater affinity for: your glory-seeking or Hughes's compassion?
05:05 PM on 03/29/2010
Conservative Christians are the biggest donaters to charity...
12:34 AM on 03/30/2010
Yeah, like their own.
02:54 AM on 03/30/2010
Der, huh, der,me like to type things...
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10:54 AM on 03/26/2010
All this reminds me of the old argument that Jesus promoted "Communism"! Indeed he did, but communism with a small "c". Communal care and concern for others - sharing.

But now that is called "socialism", isn't it?
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10:48 AM on 03/26/2010
I receive daily emails from friends who are conservatives - and these emails have to do with religion and God's will and doing good and helping others.

Funny, but somehow hypocritical, that these friends are in positions to actually Do some good, and HELP others and yet they don't. Most are retired, as I am, but they do not leave their homes to volunteer for any group that helps the needy.

Easy to send emails but harder to do the actual work. I volunteer for both the Salvation Army in the thrift store here and also at St. Vincent de Paul in the "help office" where we help those in need of food, funds for medical prescriptions or utilities, clothing and household goods. I do not go to church, and consider myself an "equal opportunity heathen".

Too bad that so many talk the talk but don't walk the walk. As the old cowboy saying goes "The best sermons are lived, not preached".
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
06:34 AM on 03/25/2010
Actually, self-interest and Christianity are not mutually exclusive--BUT one must take a longer view than "I want." The greed of Wall Street will harm many who indulged in it; the more progressive administrations have also seen the greatest economic growth. Doing the right thing, the kind thing, really does make life better for all, including the doer.
10:02 PM on 03/24/2010
Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men,
we didn't have any kind of prison. Because of this, we had no delinquents.
Without a prison, there can be no delinquents.
We had no locks nor keys and therefore among us there were no thieves.
When someone was so poor that he couldn't afford a horse, a tent or a blanket,
he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift.
We were too uncivilized to give great importance to private property.
We didn't know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being
was not determined by his wealth.
We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians,
therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another.
We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don't know
how to explain how we were able to manage without these fundamental things
that (so they tell us) are so necessary for a civilized society.

John (Fire) Lame Deer
Sioux Lakota - 1903-1976

Words to live by.
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01:19 AM on 04/04/2010
Thanks for the very apropos quotation by John (Fire) Lame Deer.

As is so often the case, Native Americans and other indigenous peoples express the essence of what Jesus actually taught far better than saber-rattling, wealth-amassing fundamentalists ever seem to manage to do.

Might that be why their cultures survived millennia longer than, at the current rate, Protestantism will?

Aboriginal cultures would still be thriving in an unravaged environment today, in fact, had they not met gold-, slave-, and land-seeking European "Christians".
08:18 PM on 03/24/2010
As with all statistics the real meat is in the details. Conservative christians give more to charity, not to the poor necessarily. The charities they give to often build mega churches and do little or nothing for the poor. In fact, due to their good nature and often, but not always naiveté of these folks they are more likely than the average person to be hustled by charlatans.
03:02 AM on 03/25/2010
You say "details", yet make generalized/unfounded assumptions there are more people who give to "charlatans" in mega-churches than to small-town churches/missions. From experience, I know there are many small-churches that are intimately involved in their communities--besides their personal community-work/charity--and have accountability on the use of their monies. Nay-sayers will question the motives of Christians--since their charity could be an exercise of their required evangelism--but, you could equally apply selfish motives to anyone, then, for we all do things in order to appear generous/respectable to others.

It's undeniable that people in general--Christians, too--do use their documentable-giving as a substitute for actually caring for the poor. I've known huge churches that give millions of $/year to missionaries/the poor, but don't really want "those" people coming to THEIR fine church. Jesus spoke against this kind of hypocrisy in the Gospel of Matthew, "Therefore when thou doest thine alms [charity] do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and [at the public fasts] in the streets, that they may have glory of men. . . . that thine alms may be in secret; and thy Father, which seeth in secret, himself shall reward thee openly."

Whether followers of Christ, or not, it would do us all good to examine our motives when giving, and not throw away the joy of a pure heart--like our politicians just did.
11:18 AM on 03/25/2010
Obviously your last paragraph shows that you are a right winger. My point is that the statistic of conservative christians giving more to charity is skewed due to the generic value of the question. If you can show me a statistic which is more specific I would love to see it.
How is it hurting anyones pure heart for the government to care for the sick and those who can't care for themselves, I would hate to live in a society that can't or worse, won't.
05:36 AM on 03/24/2010
The Final Judgment matthew 25:31-46

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory,he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
01:23 PM on 03/24/2010
The second part of that quote goes in my library! that's fantastic!
I bet people would guess the context without the first part.
fanned.
07:30 PM on 03/24/2010
It seems that many people participating in this discussion understand the mission Christ gave to each one of us. What seems to be at question here is whether the government is the appropriate channel of getting it done – “the common good”? The government does provide good social services for the common good – no doubt. But as has been repeated over and over in history, as the government provides more of these good services, it becomes bigger and the people more dependant. Is the government the only way? The government has border, "the common good" does not. Anyway, back to Matthew 25:31-46 – Was Christ talking to the government/community or the individual? Is this a personal thing, or something we just throw money at? Does paying your taxes put you on the side of the sheep?
03:25 AM on 03/25/2010
"Was Christ talking to the government/community or the individual? Is this a personal thing, or something we just throw money at? Does paying your taxes put you on the side of the sheep?" Excellent point; and you're right about this being the crux of the matter.

Regardless of where we come down on this Health-Care Bill, many of us really are concerned about the under-privileged, with some of us actively involved in what seems to be a 'clinical discussion' for others, here. We need to be looking in the mirror, instead of assuming that someone we may disagree with--regarding the 'proper' way to help the poor--doesn't care about them as much as WE do.

Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to interject religious-beliefs into Gov policy (a little thing called Separation of.....you know). However, since so many folks in this forum are using the Bible/Christianity to support tax-payer-funded, Universal Health-Care, my response is that, as I understand the purpose of scriptures, they are for personal enlightenment and edification of others--not as a hammer over the head of your opposition.
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06:30 AM on 03/25/2010
Those are legitimate questions, and quite different from the demonizing of the poor that is so often seen. The government's role is not always easy to define.
That said, I will say that those things which the government can do better for the common good, it probably should do; the experience of countries around the world--see France--indicate that well-run public health care is possible, and that the outcomes are better for people as a whole. In short, yes the government should do this, but should do it right.
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12:48 AM on 03/23/2010
As a minister, who was originally ordained in a fundamentalist protestant denomination, I early on discovered that right wing conservative Christianity was a spiritual box canyon. Initially I worked very hard "bringing in the sheaves." In time however, I discovered that I was converting people, and then giving them no where to go spiritually. Oh, I emphasized believing the church doctrines, coming to services regularly, contributing regularly, supporting church missions, and more. But this was nothing more than a selfserving message, threatening hell for failure to comply, and heaven in the next world for loyal believers.

When I finally decided that I must-all Christians must- begin reaching out to the marginalized; when I began exploring women's standing in the church, the need to rethink some our beliefs about social justice issues, and reconsider our position regarding gays/lesbians, I found myself exiled by the denomination. I am much older now, and am thankful that I found a path that seems to be leading me to the Kingdom within.
05:21 AM on 03/23/2010
You sound like a wonderful person. What a journey you've been on. I'm impressed that you took the time to see and think through the pitfalls. A lot of us go through life never pausing to re-evaluate our values and the way to improve ourselves and our outlook on life. It can be a struggle. I appreciate your comments and what you've gleaned from your journey, and you telling us. Thank you.
03:29 AM on 03/25/2010
Robert, I 'second' the above comment.
05:29 PM on 03/22/2010
They probably view the "Common Good" as some socialist plot to undermine their 'freedom" to carry a weapon and live tax-free. If Jesus asked them for their guns, I wonder if they would comply.
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08:05 PM on 03/23/2010
I suppose if the devil were to create a religion it would look much like this.