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Posted: January 6, 2010 01:52 PM

Judge Walker Asks You: "Should the Olson/Boies Trial be Televised?

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Those who make careers of raising and banking money by denying equal rights to others -- Maggie Gallagher of National Organization for Marriage (NOM) and Frank Schubert -- want to maintain total control over the media on the eve of the most historic civil rights case in at least a generation.

Judge Vaughn Walker, who will on Monday preside over the lawsuit brought respectively by a gay and lesbian couple and argued by Ted Olson and David Boies, has asked for public comment on whether or not the trial should be televised. Predictably, the plaintiffs argue for transparency and openness while those who created the injustice through their thirty second ad campaign of fear, seek to keep the public out.

A bit of history is in order here. Prop. 8 passed on 4 November 2008 by a 52%-48% vote here in California. Since that time, four other states joined Massachusetts to legalize same-sex marriage for a total of five (Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut.) The District of Columbia city council passed a law permitting same-sex marriage, but it has not yet come into force and the Congress, with nothing more important to do than prevent loving couples from marrying, still has the ability to overrule the city council. In November 2009, Maine also passed a referendum that overturned the state's same-sex marriage law, with funding largely via Maggie Gallagher's NOM. Ms. Gallagher is suing in Maine court to keep the source of that private, contrary to Maine's election law.

Ms. Gallagher would be well-advised to read the Constitution and the writings of such radicals as James Madison who wrote in Federalist No. 51 about the need for separation of powers. Neither Madison, nor the US Constitution, ever contemplated the concept of citizens voting to take each other's rights away. In fact, Madison wrote, "It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part." Ms. Gallagher and her crew seem intent on setting Americans against Americans, using every tactic at their disposal to sew fear and discord, thus deeply fearing public scrutiny.

Enter the now-famous lawsuit, in which the legal dream team of Olson and Boies will argue that Prop. 8 violates many constitutional provisions, not the least of which is the Fourteenth Amendment that provides equal protection under the law. While NOM is not a party to this suit, its finger prints are everywhere as is its constant demand for secrecy in our democracy. Ms. Gallagher's staffer, Brian Brown, had this to say about the Reagan-selected and Bush- nominated Federal judge who is overseeing the case: "He has attempted to make this entire process a circus, and he wants to be the ringleader by putting it on television."

The Courage Campaign Institute, together with our partners at CREDO Mobile, yesterday responded to Judge Walker's call for public comment on whether or not the trial should be televised by asking our members to sign a petition to the judge. Within less than twenty four hours, well over 70,000 have signed it. We will deliver those signatures along with the comments to the court in Oakland on Friday, to meet the judge's deadline.

This case will affect millions of people in America. We see only one rational response in a democracy: let the people see the trial. Because individual lives may change as a result of this trial, secrecy has no place in our civil society. We would think that Ms. Gallagher and her colleagues would want the public to side with them. Are they afraid that their cause fails when it is fully understood by the American people?

 

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08:06 PM on 01/11/2010
I think the argument from Olsen is going to be a deciding factor. He is arguing in a way that conservative judges understand. This means those defending Prop 8 cannot just depend on the judges being conservative to win. They actually have to defeat an argument put by a preeminent conservative on the Constitution. Thus it is as good a time as any. I think Olsen is going to argue points that Justice Scalieri will agree with. Thus in a Supreme Court decision the vote will be against Prop 8. To do otherwise will make the Supreme Court Judges "activist". Justice Scalieri finds this anathema.
03:47 PM on 01/07/2010
"Neither Madison, nor the US Constitution, ever contemplated the concept of citizens voting to take each other's rights away."

Again, there is a tremendous leap there in assuming that gay marriage is a right. Also, this is not a question of removing an existing right explicitly granted by The Constitution but rather of creating a new right not explicitly granted by The Constitution.
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02:51 PM on 01/11/2010
Nonsense.

Heterosexuals can marry the person they love. Homosexuals cannot.

There is clear citizen inequity.

It's that simple.
03:17 PM on 01/07/2010
Question: Is Ted Olsen really in this to win, or is he a plant and going to tank it?
Second, this quote: "Neither Madison, nor the US Constitution, ever contemplated the concept of citizens voting to take each other's rights away." True, but to be completely fair, I doubt that Madison or the Constitution ever contemplated same-sex marriage either. Bad example.
03:38 PM on 01/07/2010
I don't think he can tank it because he's working with Boies. His true motives might be in question though. Perhaps Republicans have decided that they can't afford to let Democrats capture the gay vote. By having a high profile Republican attorney on the case perhaps Republicans feel they can garner more gay votes.

The current split in the Republican party also includes a split on gay marriage. That became apparent in NY-23 with Dede Scozzafava.
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02:52 PM on 01/11/2010
Given their radical spirit, and their loyalty to the ideals of fairness and justice, I suspect our Founding Fathers would indeed support marriage equality.
02:58 PM on 01/07/2010
Since you have chosen to discuss Frank Shubert, whose name doesn't even appear in the blog, let's talk about Ted Olson whose name does appear in the blog and who is one of the attorneys in the case at hand.

Ted Olson represented George W. Bush before the U. S. Supreme Court in "Bush v. Gore", the case which ultimately gave the presidency to Bush. How do you feel about Olson?
03:50 PM on 01/07/2010
Check the first paragraph. Frank Shubert is right there.
04:08 PM on 01/07/2010
Thank you, xenas mom. I stand corrected on that point.

So how do you feel about Ted Olson?
05:04 PM on 01/07/2010
The law isn't my field, so I really don't know much about Olson, other than what I've read--in other words, what any layperson might know. Sorry that I can't be of more help there, but I don't think my opinion is informed enough to add anything substantive to a discussion about him.
01:52 PM on 01/07/2010
Frank Shubert runs a PR agency that specializes in peddling public policy for the highest bidder. Another of their major campaigns was for big tobacco. In other words, if you've got the money, they've got the time. This campaign is the gift that keeps on giving for his agency. They have been peddling scaled-down versions of the California campaign all across the country and obviously plan to continue doing so. Sadly, the voters really don't understand that public policy in this country is sold much the same way as cars and frozen peas. No surprise that he fought long and hard to keep his campaign strategy under wraps, doing otherwise would have cost him very real profits. Too bad that the voting public is so naive about how public policy is actually packaged and sold.
02:37 PM on 01/07/2010
Forgive me but I don't see what all of that has to do with the issue at hand.

Are you saying that the electorate would vote for gay marriage but for the efforts of the "evil" Frank Shubert? Are you saying that if voters weren't so ignorant they would vote for gay marriage? Are we talking about a purity contest or are we talking about the issue of gay marriage?
02:57 PM on 01/07/2010
My point is that many people in California believed that the Prop 8 campaign was spearheaded by a grass-roots movement and based on indisputable fact by people on the "side of right", rather than a campaign engineered by a public relations agency, and if they actually knew that they were being "informed" by a sophisticated public relations campaign they would have been considerably more skeptical about the "facts" presented. Shubert exploited existing fears and misunderstandings about LGBT people, spun those fears into high gear by using bizarre conjecture presented as fact, and is profiting greatly from the campaign.
03:31 PM on 01/07/2010
If that is indeed the case, xenas mom, then that is unethical and deceptive. The above-mentioned "day in court" is addressing Prop 8 so we'll see what comes of it. Hopefully the court will be objective and follow the law as much as possible, although law always comes down to an "opinion".
03:57 PM on 01/07/2010
No, it isn't unethical, it is how public relations works. I just wish more folks actually understood how PR actually is conducted and how it is not limited just to advertising or other blatantly apparent activities. (BTW: I was a practitioner for many years and have taught college courses in the subject, as well).
10:36 AM on 01/07/2010
Wait a cotton pickin minute here! Some facts are being omitted.

1) There has yet to be a referendum by voters where gay marriage has won.

2) The gay marriage law was overturned by voters in Maine by a 53% to 47% margin.

3) There is currently a constitutional lawsuit against the D. C. politicos for violating the rights of citizens by denying them a referendum on D. C.'s gay marriage law.

4) The New York State legislature failed to pass a gay marriage law as expected because the votes weren't there.

5) The last I heard, an attempt to legislate gay marriage in New Jersey was abandoned due to lack of votes to pass such a measure.

6) The gay marriage movement has it's own very wealthy contributors.

7) Harrassment by gay marriage activists of those who oppose gay marriage is well documented. In my opinion, such actions infringe upon First Ammendment rights. There seems to be an attempt to intimidate those who oppose gay marriage so keeping donors to NOM and other organizations confidential make sense.

8) Thirty states currently have laws defining marriage as a union of one man and one woman.

Use every legal avenue to seek what you want. That is the American way. If you are going to give "background", however, how about giving all of the background and not just select pieces. To deliberately omit facts, there by distorting the true picture, is unethical. If you want "ethical", then set an example!
11:50 AM on 01/07/2010
Hear! Hear! Spirit of 76 thank you for that enlightening post. Harrassment and intimidation of anyone who opposes same-sex marriage must be considered in the decision to televise these proceedings or not.
11:56 AM on 01/07/2010
Thank you, Rosewood 1923.
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ProudLiberalDan
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12:09 PM on 01/12/2010
When can I vote on whether you deserve civil rights?
01:23 PM on 01/07/2010
If popular opinion is so decidedly on your side, what would be the harm in televising the trial?

Maybe those who are so dead-set on preventing OTHER people from marrying are worried that a full and public hearing might dispell some of the ignorant, control-freak bigotry upon which their position depends.
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09:50 AM on 01/07/2010
I say televise. I say this not because I think it would help or hurt the campaign but by televising this we keep it open and transparent. Both sides have insisted on making this issue a spectacle in the media every chance possible so far (do a Google search on Prop 8, it’s rather disgusting) so why make them stop now? The fact is that most other commentators are correct in their assessments that no matter the results of this case it will eventually be challenged and taken up to the Supreme Court. I also want to remind fellow gays and lesbians that ultimately the States did not end slavery, the states did not give women the right to vote or end segregation. The Supreme Court did. The Supreme Court that probably held a good majority of people at the time that did not agree with the verdict they passed but passed it anyway. The Supreme Court has passed many decisions that large portions of the American population have disagreed with so I do hold out hope that even the stodgiest of Conservatives might decide in our favor. This is the same body that ended slavery when I am sure that some of its members at the time still thought that African-Americans were less than human, inferior beings, godless, without morals or convictions who were better off being owned as they couldn’t possibly succeed without being told what to do- we gays aren’t nearly that low-thought of right?
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rextrek
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09:24 AM on 01/07/2010
As a 49yr old gay (a)merican citizen, (I will continue to use a small (a) when I spell american until ALL have Equality in this country! With all that has happened in the last 10yrs...the Hateful presidency of Bush totally "turned me off" to any kind of organized religion EVER again! ..or even the idea that I'd ever vote for a Republican.....tho the Dems suck too, just NOT as bad. This country is NOT what I was taught it was supposed to be........since WHEN do Minority Rights get Voted on by the Populace? LGBT americans are the LAST minority who's Rights seemed to be A-OK to vote on>>?? Open & blatant discrimination is allowed in the USA against LGBT people......I hope, I see Equality in my Lifetime..but I doubt it...I have lost faith in my country...and IF I hit a Financial windfall......Im Outa' here!
02:13 PM on 01/07/2010
I completely agree.
02:29 AM on 01/10/2010
I'm curious. Where will you go?
Discrimination against non-heterosexuals is common in most cultures. What countries offer more acceptable laws and attitudes?
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ProudLiberalDan
Standing up an fighting conservatives since 1987
12:10 PM on 01/12/2010
Most of Europe nowadays.

Even South Africa has a more progressive constitution.
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jcwtts1
Elections have consequences
09:19 AM on 01/07/2010
A couple of quick things, of course it should be televised. All court proceedings that do not involve children and or sexual assault, should be televised. All of them. Public airwaves, public hearings, public trials.

I hope Boise wins this but I don't think he is going to. I think this case is going to get kicked up the food chain either way, but I'd love for it to move forward with a positive ruling, and especially a stay of prop 8 in cali which would instantly allow people to get married again pending an over turning of this judges ruling. (I hope that made sense I'm just waking up.)
03:10 AM on 01/07/2010
Why do we have these binding referendums anyway ? We have a republic. In a democracy the citizens decide, in a republic the citizens decide who gets to make decision's for them. That's the way it's supposed to work. That way a majority can't vote away the rights of a minority . We elect officials to make decision's for us and then they are too cowardly to do their jobs so they say, "lets let the voters decide" . Too many people don't even know how our government is supposed to work.....
02:58 AM on 01/07/2010
David Boies is one of the best attorneys I have ever seen . Olson , I don't like.
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jcwtts1
Elections have consequences
09:20 AM on 01/07/2010
But he won the 2000 Gore v Bush right?
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FearlessFreep
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12:22 PM on 01/07/2010
Another reason not to like him.
11:58 PM on 01/07/2010
Doe's that mean I should like him ? I think the outcome in that case was predetermined. The supreme court should have never taken up that case once the Florida supreme court made its decision. Elections are the states responsibility ,notice that each state has its own laws.
01:56 AM on 01/07/2010
I don´t really understand the problem. It's not a "secret tribunal." Whether the case is televised or not, court transcripts are part of the public record, as is the legal decision. I think it would be interesting to see this televised, but it's not essential. My main concern is getting this horrible decision overturned.
03:11 AM on 01/07/2010
Seeing it live is much more impressive , who is going to read court transcripts ?
11:46 PM on 01/06/2010
I've always thought this is a bad idea. These two are setting up a case that will inevitably drag all the way to the RIGHT-WING, neocon-biased Supreme Court.

Bad time for this court case. Much better to repeal Prop 8.
02:32 AM on 01/07/2010
Right-wing Supreme Court? You have Ginsberg, Stevens, Breyer and Sotomayor on the Left, with Kennedy as the swing-vote. Right now the Court is about as well-balanced, politically, as it could be.
02:54 AM on 01/07/2010
7 of 9 justices appointed by republicans. Kennedy has become dependable vote for right wingers , however this case seems like it should be easy. You can't vote away someone else's rights , very simple. There really shouldn't even be votes on such issue's . The equal protection clause is the key.
02:55 AM on 01/07/2010
Why not have a referendum on slavery for instance , if it were to pass would we re-instate slavery ? I think not !
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jcwtts1
Elections have consequences
09:23 AM on 01/07/2010
It takes years to get to the supremes. During that time the President is probably going to get 3 more appointments to the court. This is actually a pretty good time. We got Sotomayor in 2009, we'll get at least Stevens in 2010 probably Ginsberg too if the President puts a second woman on the court. The supreme court needs to clarify whether or not LGBT are included in the protections of the civil rights act or not. The previous commentary on the case is that they are not. But we haven't have a real ruling on it, a precedent setting ruling on it, since the early 80s.

J
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10:46 AM on 01/07/2010
"During that time the President is probably going to get 3 more appointments to the court."

Wow... that's a pretty impressive exaggeration there. 3 in 2 years? Or are you assuming another term? Not to mention that many of the picks he'd get wouldn't change the balance, and in fact may make it slightly more conservative judging by his first pick. Sotomayor may have liberal leanings, but let's be real here, she's no Ginsburg.
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Romulus
10:08 PM on 01/06/2010
While I'd like to see the proceedings, they're really not all that important. Whether Judge Walker rules for the Plaintifs or the defendents, the verdict will be appealed and eventually reach the U.S. Supreme Court. THAT'S the only verdict that really matters.
11:41 PM on 01/06/2010
The issue here isn't only the results - it's the people who voted against equal rights for California citizens, but who haven't got the courage of their convictions to testify where they must stand up and let the people who they wronged SEE them.

Some people wear sheets...
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MTinMO
Finding truth & balance
09:58 PM on 01/06/2010
I am glad to see this isn't over. When they won the vote on Prop 8 I was seriously shocked. I would happily sign your letter for the trial to be open but I assume it is supposed to be only those who can vote in California. It should be open and televised. Leave no shadows to hide in or carefully couched words designed to camouflage the real purpose behind those who seek to deny equal rights to all. As long as these people are allowed to hide they are able to keep the eyes of truth and justice from seeing. Equality is a human right and until all adult humans have the right to live and love who they choose we are all a lesser people. I hope this case wins.
As a heterosexual married woman, I know I have nothing to fear or that somehow my marriage means less because more people are able to participate in matrimony. One day the US Supreme Court will declare that laws against equality for all in marriage are unconstitutional. I look forward to that day.