What cave did you crawl out from? Your articles show what a Neanderthal you are.

The hate-filled emails and comments from Hillary Clinton supporters show up every time I criticize the Clinton campaign strategy. They're always the same: rage-filled, reflexive, and personal. Sometimes I suggest that people look in the mirror and reflect on what factors in this campaign have made them the kind of people who write hate mail to strangers.

You call Geraldine Ferraro a racist? I thought men, and I use the phrase lightly, like you went out with the '70s.

Actually, I didn't call Geraldine Ferraro a racist. I don't know if she is, and it doesn't matter. What I do know is that the former representative from the so-called "Archie Bunker district" knows exactly how some lower-income white voters feel about race and affirmative action. I know that Ferraro's an attorney - and a lifelong politico - who chooses her words carefully. And she repeated the same phrases several times. I also know that the Clinton campaign was slow to condemn her, and that the day she "resigned" she appeared on four or five television shows to repeat her comments - without further rebuke from Sen. Clinton. That's a classic strategem for continuing to spread a dirty message while retaining deniability for the candidate.

You are more sexist than the men that fought against women voting.

Got that? My piece - whose only reference to women was to mention Ferraro's mention of women, and to remind readers of Erica Jong's flippant racism- was more sexist than the men that fought against women voting. That would be the same piece where I wrote: "I remember the pleasure my then-wife and I felt when Rep. Ferraro was nominated ... As parents of a small girl who was already showing leadership traits, we ... saw (Ferraro) as the harbinger of a better and more inclusive politics."

What a neanderthal, huh?

... Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. It is the black voters that are winning him delegates.

Black voters are 12% of the electorate. Obama's received more white votes than black votes. He's also winning among independents and Republican crossover voters, both cohorts with very few black members. And Clinton was beating Obama among black voters until her surrogates started injecting race into the campaign. But nevertheless Obama is "lucky" to be African American, and with a African/Arabic-ish name. That's why the Presidency of Ahmad Jamal was followed immediately by that of his successor, Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Of course, you can't condemn an entire campaign ... or its supporters ... based on the hate-filled fanatics in its midst. But the ability of otherwise reasonable Clinton supporters to tolerate and explain away inexcusable behavior is disturbing at best. Their best defense seems to be that all these racial innuendos are absolutely innocent episodes on the part of Clinton and her supporters. They usually garnish this defense with the argument that these innocent mistakes are then cleverly exploited and inflamed by that slick, shifty, overly clever Obama and his supporters.

So, let's see: Although they're the most sophisticated political couple in America - which is why you should vote for her - they and the team they've assembled keep making the same blunder over and over. Meanwhile their opponent's team is so much shrewder, tougher, smarter, and faster that they successfully use it against them again and again. And that's how supporters defend Clinton on the race issue.

Is that what "thirty-five years of experience" gets you?

For what it's worth, I don't believe it. Nor do I believe - even for a second - that Clinton or her core team are racist. But they're smart, and they're shrewd, and they know very well how to manipulate "microtrends" - including the racist "microtrend."

And, for all the outrage, it will work in Pennsylvania. I know that, not just from sociological study, but from having grown up in an ethnic enclave in upstate New York. The demographics of Utica are very much like those in some parts of Pennsylvania - Italian, Polish, Irish, as well as outliers like us - and I remember the outrage against affirmative action. Take Mrs. F, who said something like this to me when I was a teenager:

"Youse kids are going to have it tough, Ricky. These coloreds is coming up, and they wanna be the first in line. They don't want to work hard like we did, Ricky. Mark my words: Youse are gonna apply for jobs and the coloreds will get 'em first."

Geraldine Ferraro knows these people, too. What she was saying was that this black guy Obama is no different from that mythical "black guy" who took your cousin's job down at the plant. (Because, God forbid, we don't want voters to be reminded that NAFTA took those jobs - with President Clinton's support.)

Playing to those resentments will work in Pennsylvania. Make no mistake: The Geraldine Ferraro "fiasco" is a big win for Hillary Clinton. It will add to her margin on April 22.

And to those who suggest that Obama's too inexperienced to be President, and that race plays no part in that perception, I have two words for you:

John Edwards.

Edwards, also a gifted politician, actually has significantly less political experience than Obama (who, by the way, has four years of foreign policy grounding - which is four more than Bill Clinton had - and is older than Bill was when he ran). Here's a thought experiment: Imagine John Edwards had beaten Hillary in 14 of the last 17 states. Imagine he was leading in both the popular vote and the delegate count, and that she couldn't possibly win the nomination without the help of superdelegates.

Then imagine her offering Edwards the number two spot, and that being a plausible solution among media analysts and in the public mind.

Can't picture it? Neither can I. That's the subtle role that race is playing in this campaign.

Call me what you will, but I have never had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach before resulting from an election. Obama scares me to death.

That's exactly how the Clintons want my hate-mail correspondent to feel: terrified of the black man. Congratulations, Senator: Mission accomplished.

Oh, and by the way , I am female, over 50, and a professional. I am neither blue collar or uneducated. I just thought you might like to know so that you can know what kind of people loathe you.

The Clintons have raised the level of hatred in this campaign to an unprecedented level, at least in my lifetime, for a Democratic contest. They've convinced their followers that it's Obama who keeps bringing up race ... and if you criticize her in any way, you're a sexist. And what else? Oh, right. His followers are cultlike.

Irony, anyone?

And regardless of which candidate you support, something beautiful was happening in American politics for the first time: An African American was running for President and his race was not an issue. It was a truly postracial campaign. The Clintons killed that - methodically and deliberately - to further their increasingly long-shot ambitions.

And are Sen. Clinton's more reasonable supporters disturbed by this? Not a bit. It seems that we can get so invested in our preferred candidate that we persuade ourselves to ignore their bad behavior. In the end, her supporters don't seem to care about the manipulations. They'd rather explain them away.

This isn't a male/female split. Plenty of male Clinton supporters are rigid and unyielding in her defense, and many women support Obama from a feminist perspective (interesting discussion of that topic by Jessica Valenti, here). But, male or female, there are a lot of things some Clinton supporters don't seem to care about.

She voted for the war in Iraq to further her Presidential ambitions (or out of poor judgment she refused to acknowledge)?

They don't care.

She fueled war tension with Iran by voting for Kyl/Lieberman?

They don't care.

She can only win by the nomination by overturning the primary process and splitting the party?

They don't care.

She has damaged a fellow Democrat - one who's beating her for the nomination - purely out of self-interest?

They don't care.

She has either played on racial fears or blundered repeatedly in this sensitive area?

They don't care.

She has used the threat of terrorism in classic Rovian fashion - reinforcing a meme that will be used against any Democrat in November?

They don't care.

Bottom line? They want what they want, and as for the rest of it: They don't care. It's sad - very sad - because some of them are terrific people.

If you don't like what you see in this campaign, don't blame me.

Blame the mirror. Then, please ... reconsider.

(For further takes on this week, including me real feelings about Sen. Clinton (which are probably not what you think), see also: Fortune-Cookie Games)


 

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Just another day in the land of Kool-Aid drinker. Keep trying to change the subject from Obama's alliance and allegiance to Jeremiah Wright. If you all notice, neither Hillary not her supporters has touched this mess. Guess what, we dont need to because when the Right is done pumelling your lying candidate (see hes just another regular politician), then it will be all over. But I must hand it to you all, whichever flavor of Kool-Aid it is today, it is very strong. Last laugh is always the best, so dont start laughing yet.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 03/17/2008

Bill and Hill are keeping their mouths shut because the press is too lazy to deal with the fact that they were happy to cozy up to Rev. Wright when they were in the White House. Robin Roberts mentioned Rev. Wright to Bill in today's interview on GMA and he pretended he didn't even hear it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 03/17/2008

Clinton won't be the Dem nominee. The Dem party leaders will humor her for awhile by letting her drag out this nomination process through PA; the Obama-Clinton race (along with its controversies)are good for ad revenues that are made by all the media outlets (especially the political commentary shows and blogs) and these political leaders agreed to letting this charade drag on to help out media outlets' (especially, politically based ones) dwindling revenues from low viewership/readership.

When the media outlets have gotten their fill of revenues from sales and clicks to their respective websites (soon after the PA primary), the Dem party leaders will pull the plug on Clinton.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 03/17/2008

She don't care? No. you are wrong she cares so much for American security based on that time intelligence briefing. So, She voted to give Bush the authority. There are a number of different ways to fight a war. This war in Iraq is a typical bush' war. Do not blame Hillary for a war bush wants to fight like that
She casted the vote against Iran you concluded it is bad decision. What make you think that is your own business. What the pressure aimed at Iran is what our congress member need to do. period. Again there are a number of ways to fight a war. We don't know yet. May be Bush should learn a lesson from the war in Iraq. He will not do the same stupid thing twice. The 3AM telephone AD is not a terror-threat ad. It is an AD to say an experienced leadership is required to answer such call. You put it to such way to blame Hillary is just your opinion. Your buddies may feel good for that. But, it is not true at all. You are entitled to say Clinton is a racist by your perception. A lot of people in this country do not think so. What ever Obama get in this campaign is recognized. Clinton can not take it away. You care Obama can not get the nomination is just a worry. It is your own business. Do not blame Hillary if Obama fails to get the nomination since too early to say. More important do not blame the superdelegates anything that has not been coming up yet. It is a primary. Nothing can be guaranteed for whoever should be wining until the convention.
Come up some more your whining.until everyone get tire of it Good luck.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 03/16/2008

"So, She voted to give Bush the authority. There are a number of different ways to fight a war. This war in Iraq is a typical bush' war. Do not blame Hillary for a war bush wants to fight like thatShe casted the vote against Iran you concluded it is bad decision. What make you think that is your own business..."

Just to clarify: What Senator Clinton (and all the other Senators who voted "for the war") in fact did was abandon their duties as members of the Senate. They overturned checks and balances in this country by abrogating their duties to declare war and gave it to the Executive branch. The reason this was specifically prevented in the framing of the constitution is so no one person can make war. This is no small thing and let's be clear on what exactly "voting for the war" actually meant and means to this day.

It is not an opinion that this vote was a bad thing objectively. It is not a matter of tactics or better planning. It is simply, and without ambiguity, a violation of our Constitution. I don't care about any of the tabloid nonsense making the rounds today. Loony supporters from any side are just broken records and seriously nearing stupidity. But violating your duties by basically ignoring the Constitution should get you impeached (Bush & Cheney) or make you unfit for office (Clinton?). Not giving support to any candidate here...just trying to understand.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 03/17/2008

This writing is another statement that try to put another nail down to the coffin saying Clinton as well as her campaign is spreading racism. It is only your opinion. Do not cover the coffin so fast. May be you are the one inside that coffin. Tell the country what did Clinton do during his two term presidency to support your conclusion Clinton is a racist. You can not take any phrase and sentence that can be carried a different meanings based on your perception. Obama's campaign can be amplified by that kind of perception-ride statement either by a hired gun or an emotional supporter. If you are a hired gun. Then, you do a good job. An emotional supporter is also required for Obama's campaign, But then it is your opinion only. What is a big deal for that. Let move on.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 03/16/2008

I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that there aren't angry and unreasonable people on both sides. I say, ignore the most extreme comments -- only meant to stir the pot -- and do your best to find the more truthful and reasoned arguments being posted, of which there are many. We can't stop dead in our tracks when we see some acid tongues and let that represent the larger group of supporters.

I think Eskow's major point, though, is true. I keep seeing fewer and fewer well-reasoned arguments from pro-Hillary posters, and they seem to have many blinders. The attempted defenses of her are weak. I see a trend where they are more often raging back at the most negative among the pro-Obama posters, but they are rarely ever rising above.

I am an unabashed Obama supporter, and it gets hard to resist raging back. I can tell you, though, that throughout the blogs on Obama's own site, rage is almost always met with multiple responses which urge temperance and fairness. The community is generally very high-minded, and we are always reminded of the temperance Obama continually displays.

(I know HRC people will refute that last point, but when have we ever had anything close to Hillary's "shame on you" or "the skies will open up..." moments from Obama?)

One last thing I have to say... If Obama is where he is "because he's black," then what more could ANY candidate of color do to avoid that accusation? Would he or she have to be president of Harvard Law Review AND win a nobel peace prize AND be the head of a law school (not just a prefessor for 10 years)? Come on. The only reason he DIDN'T waltz right into this nomination is because he's a person of color.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 03/16/2008

I think both Clinton supporters and Obama supporters here on HuffPo have both said some pretty insulting things to each other, (myself included). I'm an Obama supporter. I wish we could just discuss the issues, but the fact that we're so passionate about our individual choices is screwing with our judgement.
I guess we're all only human and that's not always pretty.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 03/16/2008

Kudos for the point-by-point rebuttal. I agree that it is frightening and weird to be witnessing Atwater/Rovian tactics from another Democrat. But these are the Clintons. They aren't really Democrats any more than the Bushes are Republicans. These are individuals and dynasty-wannabes who only hijack what is left of our political system for their own ends.

I have been shocked, stunned, angered and shamed by what the white Clintonites are stooping to this week. And they do all seem to be white. More importantly is your observation about the race we used to be in three weeks ago, the Post-racial one, where a highly articulate man and woman were running for President. If Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton were running for president then it would be pretty hard not to think of it as "a black man running for office." I NEVER felt this way until the Clinton slime machine kicked into action. It is shameful and actually makes my stomach churn to think that when I think of this race now it is to think of racism, fear-mongering and hatred. Thank you old white women in pant suits.

Tracy Morgan said it best last night and I'll repeat it here: "If Bitch is the new black then Black is the new president, bitch(es)."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 03/16/2008

Just want you to know I am a sixty-year-old woman, life-long Democrat, professional, educated, and wouldn't vote for Hillary if my life depended upon that vote, especially after she publically endorsed John McCain. All men are not pigs, if you disagree I will not hate you, our children deserve a better future than what we have given them so far, and we DO NOT CORONATE A QUEEN (OR KING) IN THIS COUNTRY contrary to popular belief. I would love nothing more than to see a woman become the President; however, not a bitter person willing to do anything to gain power which is why I didn't vote for the Bush-Cheney ticket. The way I see this playing out is females are thinking with their plumbing, not their brains and living up to every stereotype I have heard. And we think just males think with their plumbing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 03/16/2008

Attention to any Senator Clinton supporter: your candidate is quoted as saying that the Michigan and Florida vote results should be honored as they currently stand because they are "fair and honest." Please reply to this email and explain to me how these results are fair and honest. Please explain to me how you can justify standing behind a candidate that twists the concept of fair play continually in her favor, this time so blatantly transparent that even my eight-year old questions her logic. If she truly believes she should be awarded the Michigan and Florida results right now, her stance brings front-and-center her Clintonian set of rules that apply exclusively to her and seriously questions her judgement of right and wrong. Please do not obfuscate this question into a counter argument with examples of Senator Obama's issues, i.e., Reverend Wright; just answer the question please. Thank you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 03/16/2008

Those results are fair and honest. Just like Fox News.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 03/16/2008

Karl Rove always said the best offense it to attack your opponent for your own faults.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 03/16/2008

Yes well David Axelrod is no political novice and in fact very savvy, so it's not too surprising that he is using Rovian tactics.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 03/16/2008

Hillary must be a follower of Rove, then, for she's been attacking Obama for her own faults, for a year!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 03/16/2008

"Obama (who, by the way, has four years of foreign policy grounding"

So this started before he took office in the Senate 38 months ago - where for at least the last 13 months he's been largely absent? 38-13=25, 25/12=?

That's a pretty neat calculator you have there, want to share?

;-)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 03/16/2008

Great article RJ.

The thing that disturbs the most about Hillary is her unwillingness to campaign fairly and to abide by the rules.

She is using all sorts of convoluted logic to justify the inclusion of Florida and Michigan, thereby breaking a pledge she signed not to have those votes counted.

Being deceitful and trying to unfairly manipulate the game to her advantage, tells a lot about a person"s character.

This revelation about Hillary"s contempt for fair play and being a dishonorable campaigner says so much about the type of president she would make.

It is difficult to know with any certainty what she really stands for, is she hawkish because she wants to appear tough or is she hawkish because she has a pro war mentality??

From my point of view she is over laden with too many dichotomies to be trusted. She might be slightly better than McCain on domestic issues but on foreign policy it is really difficult to tell them apart.

I do not feel this disdain and uneasiness about Obama; in fact I strongly believe that he would be good for America and great for restoring stability around the world.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 03/16/2008

This is for all you Clintonites out there.
I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I'm looking to sell, anyone interested?
How bout my house, I'll give you a great deal but i can't allow you do any inspections ok? It's a great house though, promise.
Hey, while we're at it and if you've got some extra cash, I've got a used car I need to sell too. It runs great but I am unable to disclose the accident and repair history before selling it. Is that cool? Good I knew I could count on you folks.

You people are truly breaking my heart, I find it so sad that you passionate patriots have fallen for the brainwash spin and are willing give your hard earned money and passion to someone so blatantly dis-honest and corrupt. The facts and evidence are in great supply if you find it in your interest to find and explore them. The Clinton/Bush families are two of the most corrupt political families in our history and it's no coincidence that our country has fallen both economically and imagewise at the hands of their supposed "leadership".

Wake up folks and help take back our govt. from the sell-out. Like him or not, democrat or not, Obama is the first true contender for the Presidency in over 100 years whose ticket has been bought and paid for by individual Americans as opposed to the wealthy and connected interests. That basic fact gives him and us citizens at least a chance to take back out government. Unite 08/ OBAMA 08

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 03/16/2008

um...over-50 female who lost faith in Hillary very early on because she kept opening her mouth and talking! the more she talks, the more lies and entanglements she weaves.
don't understand what is wrong with the hearing of those who would support her.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 03/16/2008

evidently, the over-50 female demographic is channelling years of pent up anger and resentment through Clinton's campaign. I do not begrudge them this. clearly--as evidenced by the ferocity of the anger released during this campaign-- that generation of women went through a very tough time in this country. Seeing the level of anger they have for obama supporters makes me realize that their struggles have been largely silent and unaddressed and we do owe them more. for them, I think it's OK to let Clinton play out the campaign, and indeed it is only their money keeping her afloat now. it would have been nice if she had used the free pass to strengthen the country and the party, but she spat in the face of obama and the people who have (yes, it's mathmatically over) elected him. If this final act of bitter defiance is cathartic for older women, so be it. But the rest of the party should not get dragged into the unfortunate display.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 AM on 03/16/2008

I am a 58 year old white woman who supports Obama. So not all over 50 women are channeling anger at Obama.
As a feminist, I truly was appalled and have been grieving deeply over the massive deaths and suffering of Iraqis, especially women and children as a result of the votes of republicrats to support the war.
This has been a strong pillar of my support for Barack Obama.
What I would really like to see are some honest answers from Clinton supporters to each of the "they don't care" charges by R.J. Eskow, instead of changing the subject like poster mnmommy did right in this blog.
I have read thousands of statements by Clinton supporters, and this evasion is operative 100% of the time.
Another point about feminism and politics.
My memory of the roots of the contemporary feminist movement is that they were not about getting women into office, no matter what their politics.
The issues were about equal pay, quality childcare for all , fighting a totally gender stratified employment structure, reproductive rights, preventing violence against women, and a whole host of other issues which affected all women.
There was also a special effort on the part of many feminists to be concerned for women in other countries as well, including a recognition that war took it's worst toll on women and children.
Despite these strengths, there was a serious misunderstanding among many white feminists about the loyalties of black women in the struggle for black liberation. This led to the feminist movement remaining overwhelmingly white.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 03/16/2008

See the article on Politico today for a clearer description of what's happening in Democratic organizations today. Note that the people involved in their local groups no longer even bother to eat lunch together. Then note why.

The reason is that the Obama supporters bash Hillary constantly and sneer at her supporters.

And you think this is about pent up female frustration?

*hooting*

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 03/16/2008

Big words from someone who regularly pops up in virtually every thread, every day, to bash Obama and his supporters, and who promised weeks ago that she was so mad that she was going to flounce out of the HuffPost and never come back, and I wish you hadn't.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 03/16/2008

So you're saying that the division is solely the fault of the Obama supporters?

There is much irony to hoot, or lament over, I'll grant you that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/16/2008

I agree. Women, mostly white, of a certain generation feel that Hillary represents them: Another qualified woman who was not allowed into the boys' club.

The problem is: Hillary joined the boys' club a long time ago. She is a politician who happens to be a woman, not a feminist fighting for principles of justice for women. Sure, she is still a Democrat and would be a far better president than McCain, but I am just afraid that many of her female supporters simply express their outrage, not their best judgment, when supporting her.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 03/16/2008

DasBoot:
Please stop ignoring the fact that there are white women of "a certain generation", myself included, who are supporting Obama ...right on this blog!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 03/16/2008

I'm a white 51 year old female who is supporting Obama. One thing that has disturbed me about this election, is the way the MSM keeps dividing everyone into little groups and telling us how we think.
What about the African American male who is for Clinton? The 73 year old blue collar white male who's voting for Obama?
I'm sick of the MSM's division of people into neat little groups who's members are all supposed to think alike.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 03/16/2008

Most everything in this post is just subjective innuendo. For example:
"She can only win the nomination by overturning the primary process and splitting the party?"
That implies that you are a prophet with special powers to read the future. It is like the story of Chicken Little. Even the statement that the Clinton campaign is "behaving badly" is subjective innuendo. I see it as hard, tough campaigning, and you see it more like poor gamesmanship. This is not a game. This is for who may become POTUS. If you want to complain about gamesmanship, watch a sport and quit watching this election. If you don't like Hillary fine. But don't exaggerate what is actually happening in this campaign.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 03/16/2008

Another blogger who doesn't realize that Obama cannot reach the magic number? Overturn the delegate system, my foot!

He just likes that delegate system so long as nobody pays attention to the other key part of that.....which is that it takes 2025 to win the nomination.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 03/16/2008

I completely agree. Here's a good one:

"The hate-filled emails and comments from Hillary Clinton supporters show up every time I criticize the Clinton campaign strategy. They're always the same: rage-filled, reflexive, and personal."

Really? Every single one? Not one single exception? All, each and every, Hillary supporter is rage-filled, reflexive and personal"?

I'd argue more, but after a line like that, who could seriously read any further?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 03/16/2008

You don't have to be "a prophet with speciat powers" to know that Hillary is toast.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 03/16/2008

You hope.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 03/16/2008
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