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Robert Greenwald

Robert Greenwald

Posted: January 10, 2011 08:16 PM

Joe Klein thinks you're stupid for wanting to get U.S. troops out of Afghanistan.

Here's what he said on a recent CNN appearance:

"I was on Ed Schultz' show to discuss Afghanistan...And the guy writes on a piece of paper, 'Get out now,' and holds it up on the screen. That's so stupid and it's so unworthy. And it really -- it's one of the reasons why people hold us in lower regard than they do lawyers."

Klein may not have realized it, but in calling Schultz "stupid" for wanting to get out of Afghanistan, he's insulted most Americans.

More than 60 percent of Americans oppose the Afghanistan War. In a recent poll, bringing troops home from Afghanistan ranked above concerns on the deficit. In fact, it was the #2 issue most important to Americans, just behind fixing the economy. Bringing troops home would save us $1 million per troop, per year, helping to fix our economy and cut the deficit.

But Joe Klein thinks you're stupid for wanting to do that.

Let's talk about stupid for a minute.

The U.S. has increased troop levels in Afghanistan every year since the initial invasion, and every year we've seen an increased level of violence in Afghanistan. President Obama and General Petraeus promised--twice!--that huge troop increases would help "protect the population" of Afghanistan and break Taliban momentum. Yet over the course of their major escalations, the heightened troop levels failed to protect Afghan civilians, who suffered more war-related deaths than the year before. And, according to NATO and the Pentagon's own statistics and reporting, the estimated number of insurgents is exactly the same as last year, and they continue to grow in geographic and operational reach. After all this failure of troop increases to stem the violence, Secretary Gates just announced another troop increase.

That sounds pretty stupid to me.

American workers are drowning in an economic crisis. Huge numbers of us remain unemployed, and hundreds of thousands are giving up on finding work at all. States all over the country are slashing their social safety nets to shreds, cutting things like health care for kids in poverty, while at the same time the federal government is charging their state an amount larger than their states' deficits to continue the Afghanistan War. While 68 percent of Americans worry that the war's costs affect our ability to fix problems here at home, we're wasting $2 billion a week on a war that's not making us safer.

That sounds pretty stupid to me.

Klein's wrong about why people hold "journalists" like him in low regard. The reason people hold some talking heads in low regard is that we're tired of being shoveled the same, tired "Very Serious People" drivel that's kept us in a brutal, futile war for almost a decade. The Afghanistan War isn't making us safer and it's not worth the cost. The writing has been on the wall for years. Waiting even one more day to start bringing troops home is...well, you know.

Watch Brave New Foundation's latest Rethink Afghanistan video to learn more about why keeping U.S. troops there is a stupid idea, and then leave a comment at Facebook.com/RethinkAfghanistan with your thoughts on Joe Klein's "stupid" remark. We'll make sure both he and Ed Schultz see your messages.

 
 
 

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MarcEdward
likes all cats more than most people
06:03 PM on 01/11/2011
None of the people supporting Obama's extension in Afghanistan can explain one simple thing;
How can the USA, from the other side of the planet, accomplish what the USSR could NOT accomplish from right next door.
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Rasheed Kalifani Knowles
Nun ya
04:30 PM on 01/11/2011
Joe Klein, the reason why we hold so-called 'journalists' like you in contempt is because, instead of doing your job & working to get us the truth, you manufacture & legitimize lies that keep us in the throes of death & destruction.
It is due to the likes of you that Time magazine is failing miserably & may not last to lie to the next generation.

You should apoligize to Ed & all those that you insulted for actually doing your job better than you have for the last 10 years.

Moderator:Thanks for giving me the chance to correct my spelling from the last time I attempted to post this.
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Olawale Oluyemisi
Comments: All we are saying, give us freedom!
03:05 PM on 01/11/2011
I wonder what the Taliban will become if we get out of Afghanistan without finding a solution to their evil. The Taliban is a real evil and I do not wish them upon anybody. And, I am not talking about what they can do to us, but the very evil they wrought and perpetuate against the people of Afghanistan.
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army193
02:46 PM on 01/11/2011
It seems to get into war is not complicated but to get out it must have the badge of horror with the word complicated.
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MarcEdward
likes all cats more than most people
06:19 PM on 01/11/2011
Why can't we be happy with a "Participation Ribbon"?
03:40 AM on 01/12/2011
Yep we got the RunnerUp prize for Vietnam.
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Rasheed Kalifani Knowles
Nun ya
01:51 PM on 01/11/2011
Joe Klein, the reason why we hold so-called 'journalists' like you in contempt is because, istead of doing your job & working to get us the truth, you manufacture & legitimize lies that keep us in the throes of death & destruction.It is the... likes of you that Time magazine is failing miserably & may not last to lie to the next generation.
You would best serve to apologize to Ed & all those that you insulted fro actually doing the job of reporting better than you have for the last 10 years.
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Michael Dayne
01:14 PM on 01/11/2011
Obama had a window of opportunity when he took office to shut down our involvement in both Iraq and Afghanistan. If he had taken that opportunity those wars would have forever belonged to Bush. By extending the wars, Obama has not only gone back on his campaign promise, but he has also shown a stunning lack of courage and leadership, not to mention a disregard for the consensus of Americans.
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Vincent Gormley
Artist, activist, volunteer, compassion lives
12:02 PM on 01/11/2011
Thank you, Robert.
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Msquad99
Space is a vacuum because earth sucks.
12:01 PM on 01/11/2011
Afghanistan, "the graveyard of civilizations" as it is lovingly referred to, and why? Why and how would a nation and region earn the title, "graveyard of civilizations"? Notice the word civilizations is plural implying more than one. Joe Klein, the stupidest editorial decision that Time magazine continues to make.
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fairwitness
Avid Ignoramian
11:02 AM on 01/11/2011
After a visit to Viet Nam, Klein would have argued for more troops and money, too.
10:34 AM on 01/11/2011
Klein was correct. Ed Schultz’s knowledge of the AfPak area, like most talk show pundits, is skin deep; nevertheless they are always ready to share their newly discovered wisdom with us. When Bush was in office the liberal mantra was that AfPak was the “central front on the war on terror.” Now the new simplistic dogma is “get out now” as the region is inconsequential. The outcome of the war on the Taliban will have serious consequences for stability in the region, the safety of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, Pakistan – Indian relations (and the potential for another war), and possibly whether jihadist forces can attack the U.S. again (note: no major attack on the U.S. since the invasion). We “get out now” and jihadist forces operating freely in Afghanistan hit the U.S. or Europe again – then what? Tell them to stop it? And keep in mind that more Americans were killed on 9/11 than were killed on either D-Day or at Pearl Harbor.
Simply put, there are no quick and easy answers, no matter how tired Schultz is (and we all are) of this dismal war. But declaring defeat and quickly leaving, without a negotiated settlement, would mean instant death for many of those tribes who support us.
Also, to criticize the “very serious people” because they disagree with you sounds a lot like Palin’s contempt for people with expertise and knowledge, in this instance on AfPak. Unfortunately we rarely hear the latter in this debate.
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MarcEdward
likes all cats more than most people
06:08 PM on 01/11/2011
Sorry, but I fail to see where explain
(1) What is the longterm goal of being in Afghanistan - to put is simply how will we know when we've "won" and our troops can come home?
(2) Logistics - a getting a gallon of gas to a Humvee in Afghanistan costs $500. How can we possibly control a "nation" from the other side of the planet that the USSR could not control from right next door?

I don't see any "goal" other than the elusive "stability", which always "depends on the next 6 months".
There is no goal, no and no strategy to get us to that goal.
It's not a "strategy" to throw good money after bad. It's like the guy sitting next to a slot machines, putting in coins, because if he stops he will have wasted all his money.
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M Jeffrey
04:33 AM on 01/12/2011
always the no easy answers idiocy.
10:31 AM on 01/11/2011
Almost daily I hear about the debt crisis our states are facing. Then I hear about how we are paying $2 Billion a week for a seriously questionable war in Afghanistan.

We could probably bail out every state in the union with the money paid for the Afghanistan war for
1 year and could actually do something beneficial with all that money---AND GET THIS---no one will be killed or maimed doing it.

Joe Klein, just shut up.
10:30 AM on 01/11/2011
Don't worry! We'll get out of Afghanistan,,,,just as soon as the war machine gets something going with North Korea and Iran ( or who knows, maybe Venezuela). Look at all the propoganda and lies in main stream news, and you can see the writing on the wall.
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10:29 AM on 01/11/2011
If Joe Klein thinks it is stupid to want to get our of Afghanistan then I am proud to be a stupid American. He is wrong about everything.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
10:19 AM on 01/11/2011
Hey , Joe we have bigger problems. This year I learned that America is not occupied by people per the Supreme Court. Because Corproations are really people ..so people must be corporations... and just recently one of those same brilliant minds Scalia, has decided that persons dont include women or gays... JUST MEN.

The things I have been wrong about all my life! I guess a lot of things are just too complex for me to understand.

Regards
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Michael Dayne
01:16 PM on 01/11/2011
The first thing I learned in Corporate Law class was that corporations were fictitious entities. Guess they have to teach otherwise now. Of course, there are many who would submit that the members of the Supreme Court are fictitious entities, since they don't seem to be too clued into what is going on in this country.
09:57 AM on 01/11/2011
It is ridiculous for anyone to say that this issue, or any other, is too complicated for the rank & file to understand. There are a number of people invested in this American occupation, for a number of reasons, and none of them was sufficient to begin, never mind continue. That so much money is spent on a losing initiative when there is so much suffering at home speaks volumes about wrongheadedness.