George Bush Gets His Way: Letting History Judge

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Granted that a nation of 200 million people of diverse backgrounds does not readily arrive at a wise consensus, it nevertheless is reckless for any administration to treat the members of Congress as dupes to be fed false information in order to gain their acquiescence. The degree to which the military and diplomatic leaders should share the truth with those whom the nation has chosen as its representatives is a grave problem for the future.

We must also face the consequences of the war upon our own people. If the Iraqis have been cruel in reprisals, a growing number of young Americans have also developed callous and bloody ways, as revealed at Abu Ghraib and in other "incidents." Also, in the sterile boredom of their lives, many in the armed forces have become drug addicts. Furthermore, because of the financial burden of the war, this prosperous nation lacks the wherewithal to deal with its own domestic problems, to remake the ghettos and to spend enough on health and education for coming generations.

Going back further, the Pentagon documents remove any romanticism about our relation with Nouri al-Maliki. We were responsible for installing him as ruler in Iraq, and we made a most unfortunate choice. Instead of trying to unify the country, he deliberately estranged the Sunnis.

There's an interesting thing about the above thoughts. I didn't write them. I tweaked nine names, but the rest -- every word -- was written earlier.

In fact, they were written 37 years ago.

The above, word-for-word, was written by the great Illinois senator Paul Douglas, in his autobiography, In the Fullness of Time. It was published in 1971.

The only words I changed were "Iraqis" for Vietnamese, Abu Ghraib for "My Lai," Nouri al-Maliki for "Ngo Dinh Diem," Iraq for "South Vietnam" and Sunnis for "Buddhists." Every other word was verbatim from the eminent Senator Douglas.

37 years ago.

Anyone still twisting in knots while trying desperately to contend that Iraq is not another Vietnam can finally save your breath. Conserve your energy. Use it for something more productive like, say, smacking your head with a dish rag.

Actually, Paul Douglas's words about Vietnam go further, in ways even more prescient and eerily familiar. He immediately continues:

"Most disillusioning was the memorandum by Assistant Secretary of Defense John T. McNaughton in which he ascribed the aims of the Pentagon as: '70% -- To avoid a humiliating U.S. defeat (to our reputation as a guarantor). 20% -- To keep SVN [South Vietnam] (and the adjacent) territory from Chinese hands. 10% -- To permit the people of SVN to enjoy a better, freer way of life.' This is a direct contradiction of our country's official claims."

There is a renowned quote by George Santayana. "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." Welcome to the repeat. It's not like the first-run was all that great shakes, of course.

Let's see. Paul Douglas's assessment from the past of today's aims of the U.S. government for staying in Iraq is once again spot-on:

70% - To avoid a humiliating U.S. defeat. 20% - To keep Iraq (and the adjacent) territories from Iranian and extremist hands. 10% - To permit the people of Iraq to enjoy a better, freer way of life. "This is a direct contradiction of our country's official claims."

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." Welcome to the repeat.

President George W. Bush likes to regularly exclaim that history will determine how his Iraq decisions are viewed. Unfortunately for Mr. Bush, history already has judged. Just read Senator Douglas's words from 37 years ago.

And by the way, as much as President Bush likes to leave judgment to "history," what he's continually, mistakenly referring to is actually the future. This isn't semantics, it's a crucial distinction. The future is unknown. But we learn from history. Otherwise, we are doomed to repeat it.

As much as neocons like to strut that they don't live in the reality-based world and instead create their own reality -- actual reality has its own thoughts about that and will always rear its head. You may create your own reality where you can blissfully walk across a chasm, but when actual reality notices the instant you step off the ledge, it will send you plummeting to a crashing doom.

Reality has spoken. History has spoken.

What Paul Douglas wrote in 1971 about the disaster of Vietnam is breathtaking in the full scope of its direct application to life today.

It is reckless for the administration, military and diplomats to feed Congress false information.

There are consequences of our actions in a distant war on our own people.

Unsupportable conditions lead soldiers develop callous and bloody ways.

The financial burden of war creates domestic problems in health and education.

When we install our own, wrong leader in a country, it inflames the situation.

To ignore these issues is a grave problem for the future.

Written in 1971. To ignore these issues is "a grave problem for the future."

Welcome to the future.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

And repeat it word for word.

 
 

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He wants to be judged by "history" so he doesn't have to think about it now. "History will judge me," is like saying, "let's wait and see what people say after I'm out of office and not consider what people are saying now." Maybe after he's out of office Bush will work for some large Telecom or some privatized militia like Blackwater--whatever it takes to grant him continued immunity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 04/06/2008

Despite my dislike for Bush and the Iraq War, it's not the same thing as Vietnam.

JFK and Cabot Lodge allowed Diem to be assassinated. Maliki hasn't been offed with the aid of US operatives.

Vietnam war deaths between 1965 and 1970 s stood at nearly 30,000 as opposed to over 5,000 in Vietnam.

NVA regulars frequently fought alongside the VC, whilst being aided by the PRC. No major power provides direct aid to th insurgents and no foreign army fights alongside them.

Dead soldiers and body bags appeared nightly on in the news in the Vietnam Era.

There was a draft during Vietnam and the average age of a combat soldier was 19. In Iraq, we field an all-volunteer force with an average age over 21.
Boomers need to get the need to call every military fiasco another Vietnam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 04/06/2008

As for Vietnam, haven't you noticed that the hawks are already trying to rewrite that history? It was a noble cause, see, that we could have won if it weren't for all those commies, liberals and hippies. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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Interesting how the "noble cause" meme mostly gets spread by the chicken hawks who watched the flag-draped coffins coming home on TV.

I guess we should all be grateful for the fact that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Limbaugh, et. al. didn't actually go themselves, or they might not now be around to graciously tell us just how noble it really was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/06/2008

!!! SHOCKING NEW DEVELOPMENT !!!

April 6 -

CBS reporter Fernando Suarez files the following report from the Clinton Campaign Trail:
"Clinton said that historians will judge if her decision was the right one..."

The very same language as Bush 43 (note: she too fails to distinguish between "historians" and "future historians").

History keeps repeating...

I would also point out that in this brilliant article -- both your treatment, and former Senator Paul Douglas' visionary autobiography -- one must keep in mind that he is a Senator laying sole blame on the administration, and excusing congress' role by claiming bad intel.

How familiar.

History keeps repeating...

Hillary made that same claim too, to excuse her vote to authorize the war, despite the fact that she did not read the NIE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 AM on 04/06/2008

History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there.
-- George Santayana

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 04/05/2008

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Of course Bush wants to roll the dice with historians. If for no other reason that that implies he will serve out his reign of error.

His contemporaries and BOSSES -- WE THE PEOPLE -- think he stinks, by roughly an 80-20 split.

In American politics, that's as close to unanimous as you can get.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 04/05/2008

I am so sick of Bush and what ever he says... Think about it, he got the PDB saying that 'Bin Laden was going to attack the US' in August, (the Cole had been attacked 11 months earlier, and then he sits for 7 minutes reading a book about a goat -----waiting for the second plane to hit the other tower???

I have not one teeny bit of belief in this excuse for a human being who has put us trillions of dollars in the whole (he knew we were going to war, but those fat cats needed more tax cuts and this is the first war without tax increases on the wealthy)... and then we have a dollar meltdown and a credit crisis....

Thank you all who voted for the republicans who gave us the first round of trillion dollar deficits under Reagan and Bush 1 and then put this man in the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 04/05/2008

I have been watching the resurgance of Vietnam analogies in the past few months. Max Boot did a WAPO editorial using Vietnam as a "what happens when" scare tactic if we pull out of Iraq. I am sure other neocons will be writing editorials and books linking Iraq to Vietnam using their thesis of "if Bush only had listened to me in the first place, none this would not have happened".

We were assured at the beginning of this mess...many times...that this would not end up like Vietnam and history would be a lesson after all. As a Vietnam vet, I take real offense to the parallels now being made because it clearly tells our troops that what they are doing in Iraq may have the same place in history as the fall of Saigon. So what we went through in Vietnam was really for nothing after all...not even a piddling god damned history lesson. The problem with having an all volunteer army is that the necon wingnuts are beginning to ramp up the diatribe and undermine the value of volunteering in the first place. You watch, soon it will be the military's fault this turned out the way it did...again, and they have no responsibility or guilt as a result. It is just another dark chapter being written by agenda driven fools for the Book of the Historically Challenged?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 04/05/2008

Yeah.."if" we pulled out of Viet Nam..the "domino" theory of communism..my GAWD..the Chinese would take over... rather sad isn't it..that today..we owe the Chinese government so much money...buy their goods... Iraq must have been about oil... it's certainly wan't about communism...

Even Reagan didn't invade Libya..when Kaddafi was #1 enemy..he bombed it from the air..once... end of story...and today..Libya has "preferred trading status"...

To all who voted for Dubya...thanks for chaos...thanks for a trillion dollars in debt...thanks for 4000 lost soldiers...and 100's of thousands of dead Iraqis... God I miss Saddam...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 04/06/2008

I don't get their scare tactics since the fall of Vietnam happened anyway and we survived. "If he only listened..." yeah and NOT STARTED THIS MESS. There's a point to make to the neo-stooges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 04/05/2008

I only wish I was twenty years younger so I could take pleasure in knowing that history has easily judge Mr. Bush the worst President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 04/05/2008

Well, I know how you feel, but it looks like we're off to a good start in that direction. Here's an article from HuffPo just the other day that you might have missed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/03/historians-see-bush-as-wo_n_94898.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/06/2008

Don't worry about it. I can't wait to tee off on this pos regime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/05/2008

It won't take 20 years.

It won't even take 20 months.

The books are already written, just awaiting a final revision, edit and publication. I'm betting they'll be on Amazon.com within 20 days of his leaving office. And they'll all be best sellers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/05/2008

"There are some similarities, of course (between Iraq and Vietnam). Death is terrible."

George W. Bush, April 19, 2007

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 04/05/2008

A valuable commentary and reminder indeed. The willfully ignorant must be reminded over and over and over again that history has already judged. Now if we could just get our courts to do likewise!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 04/05/2008

The Pentagon papers cited "tin, oil, and rubber" as "reasons" for the invasion and occupation of South Vietnam. The "domino theory" was also used to justify the war. The fact was that the United States supported the French occupation in Southeast Asia, sending some three billion per year before John Kennedy invaded. Going back to the invasion of South Korea by North Korea and the resulting fiasco, the same idea of a foothold in Asia was behind that war as well.

The first Gulf War was also based on government distortions.

I do not expect things to change in the United States policy as far as war-making. The invasion of Panama is another example of a war based on propaganda. Thousands of civilians were bombed to death for what?

Read Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn. The rest of the historians are not telling you the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 04/05/2008

Eerie and so apt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 04/05/2008

Yes indeed, just over half the country voted this despicable person back into office. I'm quite sure alot of them deeply regret what they did, even though they may never publicly admit it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 04/05/2008

No, they don't.

They're currently voting for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/05/2008

Mr Elisberg:

Thank you for you wise words. But I have a question: If we know for a fact that the Bush Administration set up a propaganda program to sell the war, knowing that Iraq had no WMD, why hasn't the Democratic Party impeached the criminals Bush and Cheney?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 04/05/2008

I often wonder about that myself. I think it is one of two things or a mixture of both. The Dems are complicit and do not want it found out or they are worried that if the Bush Administration is pushed up against a wall, they will declare a "state of emergency" and put us under martial law. Either way, this looks distinctly like they are just hoping for the best and waiting them out. Not reassuring from those who would wish to become our leaders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 04/05/2008

HEAR HEAR!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 04/05/2008

Garry Trudeau hit it on the head with one his Doonesbury strips about three tears ago.

Mr. President, History is here to see you.

What? He's not due for years.

He says Iraq speaks for itself, sir.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 04/05/2008

In the very first sentence Mr. Elisberg missed the population of the USA by only 100,000,000. As Maxwell Smart would say.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 04/05/2008

He's reproducing comments made 37 years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 04/05/2008

Err - um: And then I found THIS:

British fear US commander is beating the drum for Iran strikes

By Damien McElroy, Foreign Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:53am BST 05/04/2008

British officials gave warning yesterday that America's commander in Iraq {Petraeus] will declare that Iran is waging war against the US-backed Baghdad government.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/05/wiran105.xml

The Telegraph is a well reputed daily newspaper in the UK. This news is to be taken seriously!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 04/05/2008

Hasn't he been doing that for years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 04/05/2008

Rousing applause! Mr. Elisberg, you hit the nail. Your comment got better by each word I read. Your comment has the potential to become the pivoting point for the whole Iraq-war-discussion in the USA.

I think, it's high time tbat, your comment get's "Xeroxed" and gets sent to each Senator, Congressman and Congresswoman in this country. (But; I am sure, emailing it, will work perfectly well, too...)

But, please, send it to the Senators and Congresspeople, BEFORE Petraeus makes his next, war-advertising statements before the members of both houses: To give them a chance to adjust their attitude and formulate their questions for Gen. Petraeus, accordingly.

PLEASE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 AM on 04/05/2008

Legacy.

They're already writing the history books regarding the Bush II legacy. And it won't be pretty.

I'm only glad he'll be alive to read it all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 04/05/2008

He can read?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 04/05/2008

Well, no. But I'm sure someone will read it and tell him about it in short sentences with one syllabic words. His wife perhaps. She used to be a librarian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/05/2008

As a former Librarian she would be conversant with the Dewey Decimal System...she should have no difficulty organizing or finding the book in his library. How many copies of "My Pet Goat" do you think they will have?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 04/05/2008

Typically our worst Presidents are resigned to obscurity. All those no-name Presidents you never learn about in history class and no one does biographies on them or their administrations; they are the worst. Something tells me that Boy Bush will not be granted the curtesy or ignominty. He will stand out as the dark example of how it shhould never be done

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 04/05/2008

I would actually argue that the on the geo-political situation is actually worse in Iraq than it ever was in Vietnam

The author makes it sound like Bush made a terrible choice in installing Maliki. Its not as if there was a missed opportunity to get someone better. They are pretty much all self-interested scoundrels in the Iraqi government at this point. Maliki was the scoundrel that we chose. I agree that Maliki is an unmitigated disaster as a leader, but I am not sure if any of the alternatives were better.

Also, at least in Vietnam, there was a cohesive government (in North Vietnam) that we were fighting. The North Vietnamese didn't hate America per se. They just wanted to be left alone and have us out of their country. If this was only the case in Iraq, that would be great. We could just leave and let our enemy take over the country. Unfortunately in Iraq, the situation is much more diffuse, which makes it difficult to predict an outcome. At this point, I am not even sure if splitting the country in three would work, as it seems like the Shiites are now at each others throats now.

It does make you look longingly for the good old days of the cold war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 04/05/2008

Spot on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 04/04/2008


One of the most powerful, enlightening and infuriating posts I have seen on HP!

This is precisely the message that MUST be disseminated through the media to awaken the citizenry to finally take responsibility for the mess WE have allowed this administration of perpetrate in OUR name on the Iraqis and the world over the past 5 plus years.

The people involved in this great social/political/military perversion MUST be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 04/04/2008

Huzzah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 04/04/2008
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