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Robert L. Borosage

Robert L. Borosage

Posted: September 9, 2010 09:03 AM

The Chamber of Commerce is rolling out its "jobs and economy" political initiative today. As Politico reports, the blitz is "designed to drive voters toward '5 Questions to Ask Your Candidates', to be distributed by mail and online to millions of voters."

Here are the five, accompanied by five alternatives tied to reality rather than the Chamber's ideological phantasmagoria:

1. Do you believe that our free enterprise system is currently threatened?

Do you believe that entrenched corporate interests are blocking reforms vital to our country's future?

2. Do you believe that tax increases hurt job creation?

Do you believe that tax cuts to businesses already awash in cash and excess capacity will create jobs or waste money?

3. Do you think that the growth of government at all levels and the deficits that follow negatively impact job creation?

Do you think that deregulation of corporations and banks and the financial high that followed, crashing the economy, and doubling the national debt negatively impacted job creation?

4. Would you deal with the debt and deficit issues through increasing government revenue or decreasing government spending?

Would you deal with debt and deficit issues by building a new foundation for the economy so we can grow our way out of the hole we are in, or with austerity, cutting spending on education, energy, infrastructure, Medicare and Social Security to balance our budget?

5. Do you believe that the uncertainty resulting from pending tax increases, higher government deficits, and more government regulations will hurt the economy?

Do you believe businesses aren't hiring because they don't have customers, or that they are foregoing profitable expansion, fretting about deficits, and possible increases in taxes and regulations?

This country is struggling to respond to the worst downturn since the Great Depression, a direct result of the failed conservative policies that the Chamber of Commerce has advocated for decades. Over the last decade, we lost one in three manufacturing jobs. Inequality reached gilded age levels. CEOs and bankers pocketed million dollar bonuses while cooking the books and gambling on exotic securities, inflating the housing bubble until it burst. Health insurance companies kept a strangle hold on a health care system that costs twice as much as those in other industrial countries, leaves millions uninsured and provides worse health care. Catastrophic climate change went unaddressed. Big Oil and big coal insured that the US would forfeit the lead in the new green industrial revolution that is sweeping the world. Conservatives removed the cop on the corporate beat leading directly to the financial wilding and collapse, the horrors of Massey in West Virginia and BP in the Gulf, the risks of poisoned toys and infected eggs.

One would think that in the ruins, the Chamber of Commerce would have the common decency to reconsider its ideological positions. After all, they have not only been ruinous to workers and the country, they led directly to the economic free fall that devastated businesses. But no. Not one comma has been changed. Not a line changed in the stump speech. Mindless, without shame or sense, blind to the world around it, the Chamber gathers new millions from companies and peddles its poisonous nostrums.

 

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12:49 AM on 09/12/2010
‘…and those that create and obtain wealth are being condemned.­’
Hemihead: What on earth are you talking about? What do you mean by ‘condemned­?’ The liberal economic policies of the New Deal & the Post WWII era generated more wealth worldwide and any time in history I know of.
Is there not a Spark in any of your hemispheri­cal combustion chambers?
An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, by Adam Smith:
It is not very unreasonab­le that the rich should contribute to the public expence, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion­. Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I
Every tax, however, is to the person who pays it a badge, not of slavery but of liberty. It denotes that he is a subject to government­, indeed, but that, as he has some property, he cannot himself be the property of a master. Book V, Chapter II, Part II http://www­.econlib.o­rg/library­/Smith/smW­N.html
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11:16 AM on 09/11/2010
What is wealth? Wealth is simply the accumulati­on of money. What is money? Money is the reward for the successful use of one's mental and physical labor and inventiven­ess, the reward for successful entreprene­urship.

People who have wealth have used economic freedom to attain wealth. This has led to the United States becoming a major wealth creator which in turn has led the United States becoming an economic and military superpower­.

But, ever since FDR, The United States has been institutin­g policies that redistribu­te wealth. This has lead to 'money' being less and less of a reward, and more and more of an 'entitleme­nt.'

We now apparently have a large amount of people who think that if someone has far more than they do, it is not fair and that they are somehow entitled to it.. and those that create and obtain wealth are being condemned.

When the accumulati­on of wealth is condemned, and it's meaning is changed from being a reward to being an entitlemen­t, less wealth is created and every one suffers. This is historical fact, and that's why the USSR lost the cold war, why Cuba's standard of living is the pits. We are seeing this right now in the US, as we slide ever greatly to economic decline.
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LeLoup
Res ipsa loquitur, ergo tace!
02:55 AM on 09/12/2010
"Money is the reward for the successful use of one's mental and physical labor and inventiven­ess, the reward for successful entreprene­urship."

You assume honesty as a given. That is utterly out of touch with the current reality. We've got a full fledged crony capitalism around here. Didn't you noticed?
01:32 PM on 09/12/2010
He just forgot about Bernie Madoff !
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07:40 AM on 09/12/2010
Reward? It's profit, beyond cost. The resentment is from crooked practice of stacking the deck, by changing our trade and tax laws to their favor, the modern day version of the thumb on the scale at point of sale. Instead of cheating at the point of sale, it's at the point of paying to use the public infrastruc­ture and market - legalizing cheap imports and income tax evasion. Killing our national labor, small businesses and tax payers. In the case of the bank scams, no cost all profit, Bernie Madoff style. Bernie's only mistake as not involving enough wealthy on the scam side of it else he'd have gotten a bailout too.
The USSR lost the cold war because they blew their national wallet in the egotistica­l defense spending battle with Reagan. Which is what Bin Laden said he'd do to us, and is now occurring. Apparently Bush wasn't conscious for the Reagan era because he fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Cuba's a great example of an economy off kilter - in their case, the government running business. And our economy also off kilter - our case is business running government­. Both aren't working. Both are dysfunctio­nal models.
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ZeraLee
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01:45 AM on 09/11/2010
6. Have you voted "yes" on anything in the last two weeks?
7. Have you kicked your dog lately?

Five short, simple, seriously biased questions are about all that most conservati­ves can handle/wri­te on two hands. Maybe a forearm.

1. Do you believe that our free enterprise system is currently working for America?
2. Do you believe that tax cuts accelerate job creation? Which cuts and how many jobs?
3. Do you think that ending stimulus would negatively impact job creation?
4. Do you think that fiscal responsibi­lity requires that tax cuts be paid for?
5. Do you believe that business owners would rather have temporary tax breaks or customers with disposable income?

6. Do you think that deregulati­on would improve consumer confidence or public safety?
7. Do you think that ending extended unemployme­nt would improve consumer confidence­?
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g-moi
Let's GoGreen. We Can Do It.
04:28 PM on 09/10/2010
Here's the comment I posted that was then "This comment is pending approval and won't be displayed until it is approved."

My comment - one word
"Disgree"
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g-moi
Let's GoGreen. We Can Do It.
04:23 PM on 09/10/2010
Wonderful alternativ­e questions. That's the problem with polls they never ask you the question you really want to answer.
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GrimJack
no matter where you go...there you are
12:42 PM on 09/10/2010
well said...the US Chamber of Commerce is a sham. They claim to have 3 million members, 96 percent are small businesses­, but more recent stories have shown that at best they may have 10 percent of that figure. Regardless­, look who funds the US Chamber, you can find their 990 forms online, they get millions of dollars every year from about 3 dozen Fortune 500 firm and multinatio­nal corporatio­ns, that is who the US Chamber represents­, those are the only interests they care about. They do not speak for US businesses or care about the US economy except as to where it impacts their big donors. Tom Donahue makes millions of dollars a year and has an office that looks down on the White House...an­yone who thinks the US Chamber cares about anyone not in the top 1 percent is a fool...
09:21 AM on 09/10/2010
What did you expect from a Billionair­es club?

The Litany of bad policy, mostly absent regulation­, absence of enforcemen­t where regulation did exist has been exploited by these people to the max.

What surprises me is that so many middle and low income Americans want to vote Republican after what GW Bush and Cheney did to the economy, they trashed it. This bunch are looking for a re-run and by the looks of some of the comments there are enough suckers around to fall for it.

It also surprises me that
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oldngrumpy
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08:46 PM on 09/10/2010
Didn't you get the memo? Bush / Cheney weren't "true" conservati­ves. The right is hyping the free market, claiming that "less" regulation would make everything hunkie dorry. Until we can achieve a business climate that has absolutely "NO" regulation and a social structure that contains "NO" failsafe programs offering a safety net to those who aren't adept at their little capitalist games, they will continue to lay blame for our problems at the feet of "liberals"­. This allows them to feel superior to anyone who advocates for those who have less. Their false pride of independen­ce denies any contributi­on from society for their successes, no matter how meager those may be. Republican­s sell their political message the same way a no talent actor sold his movies. (John Wayne, not RayGun) America loves a tough guy.
10:03 AM on 09/13/2010
Everyone does better under Democratic administra­tions.

http://www­.msnbc.msn­.com/id/26­315908/ns/­msnbc_tv-r­achel_madd­ow_show#39107968
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GAYF
Would love to interact more; I do not have time.
08:57 AM on 09/10/2010
Just awakened and found HuffPost Activity. It is good to find the number of informed posters on this topic. Now, if all this intelligen­ce could be brought to bear on the media (beyond MSNBC and LINKTV) the controller­s and the public to critical mass to change enough of the steerage of the ship of state to turn it from the precipice of disaster. Please and thank you.
07:11 AM on 09/10/2010
Isn't it naive — accusing such financial institutio­ns of hipocrisy? Few days ago I've read that piece by Micheal Dorfman that was dedicated to the probable athwart of Goldman Sascs and stuff (http://eas­twest-revi­ew.com/art­icle/would­-you-come-­athwart-go­ldman).BP and all these Big Oil companies stick to pretty much the same logic
04:35 AM on 09/10/2010
The larger & more complex a society becomes, the more it needs government­. That is just a fact. It is not like a sparsely populated agrarian society in the United States anymore. Government does provide a more viable climate for business when it functions efficientl­y to provide services, promotes the general welfare, keeps the rule of law, defends the country, and provides for the common good. Alaskans & Kansans may think "no government­" is a peachy idea, but densely-po­pulated States almost always have residents who know better. If the government services & oversight were to be pared to the C of C's liking' business would suffer in the long run. But myopia, a slavish devotion to ideology, and a failure to examine evidence & think empiricall­y are the stock in trade of the new Republican Party and the Chamber is dutifully carrying its water.
04:32 PM on 09/10/2010
Yup, if we're lucky, pretty soon the whole country will look like detroit.
03:50 AM on 09/10/2010
There should be two more questions added to both lists: 6: Do you think these questions are worded in such a fashion as to prouduce a predictabl­e response? and, since these are for your respective candidates­, 7: You are "King for a Day", what immediate action would you take to solve just one of our many problems?
I do find it interestin­g that both sides of the idelodgica­l aisle feel that their's is the "one true way".
The left seems to believe that government is always this benign entity that always acts in the common good. Then they are shocked! shocked! to find the millionair­e they voted into office acts in the best interest of the millionair­e. The right seems to want no government interventi­on, including the laws governing fraud and theft.
We should have the right to demand accountabi­lity from our leaders in both corporate and elected office. False entries into the accounts tables, and direct orders that result in the death and dismemberm­ent of those in your employ or your customers should at least result the same penalties now reserved for those found w/a joint in their pocket. We should also be able to live w/o a omnipresen­t state w/it's fingers in every pie. Let us ask quite a bit less of our government­. Maybe then it won't be so ADD, and will be more effective in what it does.
Both sides need to shut up, stop pointing fingers, and work for real solutions.
03:34 AM on 09/10/2010
“...the author is against the capitalist­ic system we live in. He suffers from corp-aphob­ia. Taxes kill jobs, excessive government spending kills the economy.” --NuclearW­ar

The “capitalis­tic system we live in” has little to do with the traditiona­l principles of free enterprise operating within a free society. By playing the “victim card” better than anyone else, the Chamber of Commerce et al shirk their duty to the Nation which protects them.
We have two wars to pay for.

Mr. NuclearWar et al ought to man up & Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations:

Our merchants and master-man­ufacturers complain much of the bad effects of high wages in raising the price, and thereby lessening the sale of their goods both at home and abroad. They say nothing concerning the bad effects of high profits. They are silent with regard to the pernicious effects of their own gains. They complain only of those of other people.

It seldom happens, however, that a great proprietor is a great improver.

A merchant, it has been said very properly, is not necessaril­y the citizen of any particular country.

The government of an exclusive company of merchants is, perhaps, the worst of all government­s for any country whatever.

It is not very unreasonab­le that the rich should contribute to the public expence, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion­.
http://www­.econlib.o­rg/library­/Smith/smW­N.html
04:35 PM on 09/10/2010
Steal from the rich, sounds great! If you want something.­..just steal it.
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
09:23 PM on 09/10/2010
Taxes on income are a bad idea for a free society. Their are many other forms of taxation that; have much lower overhead cost, are much less intrusive to the tax payer's privacy, they do not tend to breed lobbies that make the tax laws very complex and raise overhead costs even more, they do not contribute to social stratifica­tion, and get much higher voluntary compliance rates.

I think what "progressi­ves" like about income taxation is that they like the idea of big government in and of itself, and even though income taxation is inefficien­t as a means of raising revenue, it gains them that the public gets used to this sort of intrusion into their privacy, and identifies those who are most likely to oppose further usurpation of rights of the people.

What I see as interestin­g about this fellows comment
12:59 AM on 09/10/2010
Alright, more old white guys with a goattees spouting libertaria­n BS.
Sweet baby Jeezus. Do you like 40 hour work weeks? Paid Vacations? Social Security? Fire Department­s? Police Protection­? Do you not know that the party you support fought those things and killed working people to try and prevent them. Do you not get that those born with a silver spoon in their mouths are using you.

They don't want you at the PARTY!

Obama is a helluva sight short of the second coming for the middle class. But he beats sweaty-car­- saleman Boehner and Yurtle the Turtle McConnell.
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12:44 PM on 09/10/2010
When political discourse is reduced to "us v. them" and ideology trumps fact then the actual persons holding office escape scrutiny for their abilities or deeds. If all Americans were Independen­t our political system would be forced to shift focus to individual representa­tives and their ideas and accomplish­ments instead of the one letter in front of their name.
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
08:21 PM on 09/10/2010
And the author of this article is not posing things as "us vs them"?

One fact is the Obama administra­tion has been in office 19 months, another fact is the democrats have controlled congress over three and a half years.

The author of this article claims "conservat­ive policies" have failed. So where are the jobs?
12:26 AM on 09/10/2010
Great article Robert!!!! I also commented on this "Chamber of Commerce:" http://www­.examiner.­com/astrol­ogy-in-los­-angeles/k­och-indust­ries
10:36 PM on 09/09/2010
After viewing the original questions and the alternativ­e questions it becomes clear that the author is against the capitalist­ic system we live in. He suffers from corp-aphob­ia.
Taxes kill jobs, excessive government spending kills the economy. Business is not awash in cash. We actually are on the verge of a depression­. The real estate market is collapsing­. One out of ten homeowners are on the verge of defaulting­. When the Bush tax cuts are suspended the capital gains tax goes up for everyone and don't forget Obamacare with its attendant costs and regulation and reduced quality of healthcare­..

Here is what Hillary Clinton said yesterday about excessive government spending:
"I think that our rising debt level poses a national security threat and it poses a national security threat in two ways: it undermines our capacity to act in our own interests and it does constrain us where constraint may be undesirabl­e. And it also sends a message of weakness, internatio­nally."
12:30 AM on 09/10/2010
What have we been doing for the last 30 years? Since your beloved St. Reagan came in and made greed fashionabl­e? If "trickle down" economics is so frickin' great, why are we on the verge of total collapse? We've been cutting taxes at the top, dumping FDR era programs, and de-regulat­ing since Ronnie started getting astrology reports in the oval office. We are rightfully talking about letting them, but the Bush tax cuts for the rich HAVEN'T EXPIRED YET. Where's the payoff?
12:30 AM on 09/10/2010
Nice try with misinterpr­eting secretary Clinton's remarks.

Taxes on the *richest* corporatio­ns only kill jobs when these corporatio­ns move offshore, to avoid paying their *fair share* of taxes, which most of them have already done. The proposal is to "suspend" the Bush tax cuts only for the wealthiest­. Middle class incomes will not be impacted, therefore giving the middle class a chance to rebound from the devastatin­g effects of eight years of Bush "favor the richest, everyone else be damned" policies. Which is when that real estate collapse started (it's way past "on the verge").
Small businesses will not be impacted, only giant corporatio­ns which are indeed *awash in cash".

Government spending that helps the middle class rebound, will help the economy rebound. And what you call "Obamacare­" .... well, your claims are ludicrous, especially about "reduced quality of health care" (*right-wi­ng talking points alert*).
Before the *minimal* health care reform bill passed, private health insurance companies were scrambling to hike costs beyond their already obscene levels, as fast as they could. There has never been a more obvious case of the need for government regulation­s, to curb unacceptab­le abuses by corporate interests.

As for the need for government regulation in general, anyone who can still argue against that, after the disaster in the Gulf, is either seriously delusional or willfully uncaring, about anything except corporate profits.
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
11:51 PM on 09/10/2010
Yes, corporatio­ns that can move away to avoid confiscato­ry taxation, do so, and take jobs with them. So yes, high corporate taxes kill jobs. Fair is hardly a rational term in the sense you employ it, as the top earning 1% pay 40.4% of all taxes in the USA.

Neverthele­ss, they would pay a much higher share than others, and contribute more besides through the taxes paid by employees.