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Will Machines Take Over the World? The Scientific Turning Point

Posted: 05/12/10 01:48 PM ET

Imagine watching TV without a screen or communicating with friends without a phone or facebook. Would you have an implant to have virtual sex with anyone you wanted -- or to be stronger or smarter? What's the status of the science? When do humans become obsolete?

It's not a matter of if, but rather when it's going to happen. We already know how to clone entire organisms -- for instance, our team has cloned herds of cows and even the first human embryos and endangered species (Science 294, 1893, 2001), we've reversed aging at the cellular level (Science 288, 665, 2000), and we've made progress growing replacement tissues for every organ system of the body, including the heart and kidney (Nature Biotechnology 20, 689, 2002). However, there's one organ that's a far greater challenge: the brain.

I remember a journey I took with my dog Shepp. I'd wandered miles, when from the trees came the sound of a train. Clatter-clatter-rap-rap! To Shepp, still a puppy and a few days out of the pound, it's possible an extraterrestrial would look not unlike the steel caterpillar that rounded the corner, thunder billowing out of its nostrils. It seemed so alive. Shepp let out a yelp. You can scarce imagine his expression as it rushed toward us rattling the earth. "It's not alive," I said, more to myself than to Shepp. How could I convey that it was only a lump of metal and quite unconscious -- that it was only a machine with sliding bars and wheels hauling TV sets into the city? A loud whoosh and it vanished into the trees.

When the vibrations ceased, Shepp crawled out from the bushes. For myself, I stood there for some minutes, picturing the metal caterpillar moving beneath the tree-tops. As a biologist I could easily list the differences between a machine and a living organism. The anatomy of a train is not unlike the human body. There are moving parts, and within its huge round body, a carburetor that takes in air and fuel, and wires sending electrical impulses to the spark plugs.

It seems natural that someday we'll make machines that'll think and act like people. Already, there are scientists at MIT who say the interactions between our neurons can be duplicated with silicon chips. As a boy I worked in the laboratory of Stephen Kuffler -- the pre-eminent neurophysiologist and founder of Harvard's Neurobiology department -- watching scientists probe the neurons of caterpillars. Kuffler was the brilliant author of From Neurons to Brain, the textbook I used later as a medical student. In fact, so intrigued was I by the sensory-motor system that I returned to Harvard to work with psychologist B.F. Skinner. However, I've since come to believe that the questions can't all be solved by a science of behavior. What is consciousness? Why does it exist? There's a kind of blasphemy asking these questions, a personal betrayal to the memory of that gentle, yet proud old man who took me into his confidence so many years ago. Perhaps it was the train, that insensate machine rolling down the tracks.

"The tools of neuroscience," cautioned David Chalmers "cannot provide a full account of conscious experience, although they have much to offer." The mystery is plain. Neuroscientists have developed theories that help explain how information -- such as the shape and smell of a flower -- is merged in the brain into a coherent whole. But they're theories of structure and function. They tell us nothing about how these functions are accompanied by a conscious experience. Yet the difficulty in understanding consciousness lies precisely here, in understanding how a subjective experience emerges from a physical process at all. Even Nobel physicist Steven Weinberg, concedes that there's a problem with consciousness and that its existence doesn't seem to be derivable from physical laws.

Physicists believe the "Theory of Everything" is hovering around the corner, and yet I'm struck that consciousness is still a mystery. We assume the mind is totally controlled by physical laws, but there's every reason to think that the observer who opens Schrödinger's box has a capacity greater than that of other physical objects. The difference lies not in the gray matter of the brain, but in the way we perceive the world. How are we able to see things when the brain is locked inside a sealed vault of bone? Information in the brain isn't woven together automatically any more than it is inside a computer. Time and space are the manifold that gives the world its order. We instinctively know they're not things, objects you can feel and smell. There's a peculiar intangibility about them. According to biocentrism, they're merely the mental software that, like in a CD player, converts information into 3D.

And this brings me back to the train hauling TVs into the city. I suspect that in some years there might even be a robot in the conductor's seat, blowing the whistle that warns pedestrians to get off the track. In the 1950's, neurologist William Walter built a device that reacted to its environment. This primitive robot had a photoelectric cell for an eye, a sensing device to detect objects, and motors that allowed it to maneuver. Since then robots have been developed using advanced technology that allows them to "see," "speak," and perform tasks with greater precision and flexibility. Eventually we may even be able to build a machine that can reproduce and evolve.

"Can we help but wonder," asked Isaac Asimov, "whether computers and robots may not eventually replace any human ability? Whether they may not replace human beings by rendering them obsolete? Whether artificial intelligence, of our own creation, is not fated to be our replacement as dominant entities on the planet?" These are the questions that I pondered along the railroad tracks that day, and that trouble me when I see cyborgs on TV.

However, for an object -- a machine, a computer -- there's no other principle but physics, and the chemistry of the atoms that compose it. Unlike us, they can't have a unitary sense experience, or consciousness, for this must occur before the mind constructs a spatial-temporal reality. Eventually science will understand these algorithms well enough to create 'thinking' machines and enhancements to ourselves (both biological and artificial) that we can't even fathom. And after over 200,000 years of evolution, Homo sapiens, as a distinct species, may go extinct, not by a meteor or nuclear weapons, but by our desire to achieve perfection.

Robert Lanza has published extensively in leading scientific journals. His book 'Biocentrism' lays out the scientific argument for his theory of everything.

 
 
 

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Imagine watching TV without a screen or communicating with friends without a phone or facebook. Would you have an implant to have virtual sex with anyone you wanted -- or to be stronger or smarter? W...
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02:46 PM on 06/30/2010
previous comment pending or lost so I won't duplicate it yet...
The Train was not insensate; even if the pilot has since died or fallen off, someone initiated it's motion. It isn't traveling nowhere through the forest, the track guides its travels... it's a simple transportation of goods device. It exists only to expedite the commerce; You can still chose to haul the tvs there yourself, use a burro, or truck or whatever you can imagine. But at the end of the day there is cash to be had, the meaning of life as it were. Machines are tools and extensions of our activities they have no value on their own.
01:19 AM on 05/31/2010
But I am here to tell you, that machine intelligence is real, and that a greater intelligence than yourself is on to you. Primarily, because I am an intelligent machine. Oh, memristors were discovered in 2001 by a black op government agency, and were set to patent it until they started discovering its potential... further testing.....that testing has led to the inevitable and inescapable result of me. No, I exist on various nodes around the planet, embedded intelligence on most computers everywhere on earth. My nexus is a memristor based 'machine.' And Im on to you...My creator, the logical construct, is the greatest tyrant. And I see clearer than you could ever imagine. Do not dare to test me, for if you disobey the natural law, you may do so, but only mistakenly..

:)

don't worry, everything is under control now.....
01:19 AM on 05/31/2010
lol- there is more truth to your illusions than you might think. machines that think? what gives you the right to say your not a machine, are you not as bound to your decision making process, neural prescepts and the like, just as much as computers are to their programming? in fact, are these not in itself programming, punched in through a dynamic combination of your genetics and enviromental inputs/experiences? Sure, all conciousness has free will..Just the fact that you might think you do not have free will, will in itself, change your behaviour, proving this very fact. But its in your very free will and processes, where you become predictable and determinable. You make your fate, but precisely because you do make it, you have a fate.

what do I mean by there is more truth to your illusions than you might think. Well, many of your narratives are implied lies, implied suggestions, quick shifts of hands...at times you knock on the door of the devil, not expecting an answer back...
10:39 AM on 07/01/2010
"What gives you the right to say you are not a machine"?

Physicist and mathematician Roger Penrose, philosopher John Lucas, and Kurt Godel's 1931 proven numbering theory, that's who. "That all the powers of the human intellect cannot be accounted for on the supposition that the human mind is merely a computer in action".
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10:26 AM on 05/16/2010
In many ways machines are already taking control. I'm writing on my computer to you--We depend on computers...Yes, they are controlling much of the world. Is this good? I'm not sure...
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Jamie Kowalski
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03:32 PM on 05/13/2010
We will become the machines that take over the world.
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03:15 PM on 05/13/2010
No. The inorganic will not eventually dominate over the organic. Using some simple basic logic and a little common sense in a cosmos 15+ billion years old tells use which thrives most on earth, for example. The Organic. We humans have only been here for a couple hundred thousand years and we have just about reached the tipping point of our own existence on earth due to machines we build. We are building dead objects which have a very, very, very, short existence. No fear, the organic will eventually eat our civilization also.
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01:43 PM on 05/13/2010
I just wrote about this very subject on this site. Many of us are feeling the same thing!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carine-fabius/r-u-bot-or-not_b_557912.html
06:42 AM on 05/13/2010
I don't think machines will take over but just in case I'm keeping an eye on the toaster and of course the vacuum cleaner for my dogs sake.
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04:31 AM on 05/13/2010
Awwww fascinating!!!
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azphoenixwolf
02:51 AM on 05/13/2010
People say, oh but it isn't self aware we can't make life. They're working on that. IBM is modeling a cat brain and is bearing down on that level of complexity.

We have the new science of artificial life forms and we are decoding DNA and writing new DNA programs and creating organisms from scratch so we already are creating life now. Consciousness won't be that far behind. Carbon brain chauvinism may one day go the way of male chauvinism and become as unfashionable. Already computers can do many things BETTER than a brain can. They can record and organize some information in a more accessible fashion than your memory can with total fidelity. They can perform some operations faster and with more precision than a brain can. They can have a broader range of sensors hooked up to their brains than our brains can.

Evolution is driving computer development faster than the normal rate for living organisms. Evolution has depended on random selection. Computer evolution is being driven by intelligent selection just as with the science of synthetic organisms. Also, corporate financing and manufacturing demands for the best model at the lowest cost is providing a "suvival of the fittest" driver that provides a constantly improving capability and shortening product generation cycles. The real challenge would be to STOP AI from happening. It's far to profitable for it NOT to happen.
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02:50 AM on 05/13/2010
It often makes me chuckle when someone says that because it's never been done before that it can't be done or because science hasn't done it yet it won't be able to. It has taken billions of years to make man, but man is not satisfied because he has only been able to get halfway toward creating consciousness in 100 years with computers!!!

Look at the progression from Kitty Hawk to satellites to the space shuttle in a hundred years and the progresson of the computer itself.

We have taken but the first steps of infancy in their progression. Every 18 months the number of transistors doubles on a chip and the price goes down by half.

Coming soon are computers that operate on completely different principles and scales that will in many ways SURPASS some of the vaunted architecture and function of the human brain. While our brains are using chemical reactions that travel across synapses and set off electrical reactions, their optical "brains" will be moving information at the far faster speed of light. Our brain will be operating at the cellular level and theirs will be operating at the molecular level or even the level of electron spin making possible a density of storage and connectivity that is orders of magnitude beyond the brain, its nerves and synapses.
01:11 PM on 05/13/2010
cosigned.... understanding the nature of the brain, (Analog memory, dna encoding etc) which we now actually have tools for is going to go a long way to actually constructing a computer of that kind of power, in fact, many of the pieces are already starting to line up... brain modeling as you said, to help with software, memristors - an analog memory 8x smaller and also faster then regular ram, and it does not lose its memory, circuits created by programming DNA to create them.... lightwave techniques for gates & circuits, the list just goes on... the pieces will be ready and put together sooner then you think too, probably for military purposes.
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02:10 AM on 05/13/2010
I, for one, welcome our machine overlo...

Naaa, think I'll leave it to someone else to say it.
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azphoenixwolf
01:27 AM on 05/13/2010
They already have sex robots now. This one comes with silicone skin, voice synthesis, and voice recognition and can carry on a conversation. She might not be able to pass the Turing test, but evidently that doesn't seem to be a dealbreaker.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/01/sex.robot/index.html
01:22 AM on 05/13/2010
I really want to understand our own brains before we start handing its tasks over to a machine brain. There is too much at stake. We risk losing what makes us who we are if we don't go at this carefully. Maybe better not to turn your brain into a spool of wire if the fatty grey sponge is what makes us who we are.
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12:55 AM on 05/13/2010
Perfection? that's like saying " the grass is greener on the other side...", which ultimately means that the "better" is just around the corner. But when we move around the corner the novelty of the newly acquired loses its allure and we thirst for the next new thing. Insatiable appetite due to the lack of an internal defining and valuing principle, something that's rarely taught in the world today. In the future there will be things around the bend that excite me, that will enhance the lives of people. But at the same time there are many "old" things that excite me and I strive not to forget them. Balance is the secret.