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What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots

Posted: 06/10/10 08:00 AM ET

What happens when we die? Do we rot into the ground, or do we go to heaven (or hell, if we've been bad)? Experiments suggest the answer is simpler than anyone thought. Without the glue of consciousness, time essentially reboots.

The mystery of life and death can't be examined by visiting the Galapagos or looking through a microscope. It lies deeper. It involves our very selves. We awake in the present. There are stairs below us that we appear to have climbed; there are stairs above us that go upward into the unknown future. But the mind stands at the door by which we entered and gives us the memories by which we go about our day. Everything is ordered and predictable. We're like cuckoo birds who appear through a door each morning. We fancy there's a clockwork set in motion at the beginning of time.

But if you remove everything from space, what's left? Nothing. The same applies for time -- you can't put it in a jar. You can't see through the bone surrounding your brain (everything you experience is information in your mind). Biocentrism tells us space and time aren't objects -- they're the mind's tools for putting everything together.

I was a young boy when I realized there was something unexplainable about life that I simply didn't understand. I learned this from one of the last smiths in New England, when I, as a child, tried to capture a woodchuck on his property.

Over his shop a chimney cap went round and round, squeak, squeak, rattle, rattle. One day the blacksmith came out with his shotgun and blew it off. The noise stopped. Mr. O'Donnell pounded metal on his anvil all day. No, I thought, I didn't want to be caught by him. Yet, I had my purpose.

The woodchuck's hole was in such close proximity to Mr. O'Donnell's shop that I could hear the bellows fanning his forge. I crawled noiselessly through the long grass, occasionally stirring a grasshopper or a butterfly. After setting a new steel trap that I had just purchased at the hardware store, I took a stake and, rock in hand, pounded it into the ground. When I looked up, I saw Mr. O'Donnell standing there, his eyes glaring. I said nothing, trying to restrain myself from crying. "Give me that trap, child," he said, "and come with me."

I followed him into his shop, which was crammed with all manner of tools and chimes of different shapes and sounds hanging from the ceiling. Starting the forge, Mr. O'Donnell tossed the trap over the coals and a tiny flame appeared underneath, getting hotter until, with a puff it burst into flame. "This thing can injure dogs, and even children!" he said, poking the coals with a fork. When the trap was red hot, he took it from the forge, and pounded it into a little square with his hammer. He said nothing while the metal cooled. At length, he patted me upon the shoulder, and then took up a few sketches of a dragonfly. "I tell you what," he said. "I'll give you 50 cents for every dragonfly you catch." I said that would be fun, and when I parted I was so excited I forgot about my new trap.

The next day I set off with a butterfly net. The air was full of insects, the flowers with bees and butterflies. But I didn't see any dragonflies. As I floated through the last of the meadows, the spikes of a cattail attracted my attention. A huge dragonfly was humming round and round, and when at last I caught it, I hopped and skipped all the way back to Mr. O'Donnell's shop. Taking a magnifying glass, he held the jar up to the light and made a careful study of the dragonfly. He fished out a number of rods, and with a little pounding, wrought a splendorous figurine that was the perfect image of the dragonfly. It had about it a beauty as airy as the delicate insect.

As long as I live I will remember that day. And though Mr. O'Donnell is gone now, there still remains in his shop that little iron dragonfly −- covered with dust now −- to remind me there's something more elusive to life than the succession of shapes we see frozen into matter.

Before he died, Einstein said "Now Besso [an old friend] has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us ... know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." In fact, it was Einstein's theory of relativity that showed that space and time are indeed relative to the observer. Quantum theory ended the classical view that particles exist if we don't perceive them. But if the world is observer-created, we shouldn't be surprised that it's destroyed with each of us. Nor should we be surprised that space and time vanish, and with them all Newtonian conceptions of order and prediction.

It's here at last, where we approach the imagined border of ourselves, the wooded boundary where in the old fairy tale the fox and the hare say goodnight to each other. At death, we all know, consciousness is gone, and so too the continuity in the connection of times and places. Where then, do we find ourselves? On stairs that, like Emerson said, can be intercalated anywhere, "like those that Hermes won with the dice of the moon, that Osiris might be born." We think that the past is past and the future the future. But as Einstein realized, this simply isn't the case.

Without consciousness, space and time are nothing; in reality you can take any time -- whether past or future -− as your new frame of reference. Death is a reboot that leads to all potentialities. That's the reality that the experiments mandate. And when I see Mr. O'Donnell's old shop, I know that somewhere the chimney cap is still going round and round, squeak, squeak. But it probably won't rattle for long.

"Biocentrism" (BenBella Books) lays out Lanza's theory of everything.

 
 
 

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What happens when we die? Do we rot into the ground, or do we go to heaven (or hell, if we've been bad)? Experiments suggest the answer is simpler than anyone thought. Without the glue of consciousnes...
What happens when we die? Do we rot into the ground, or do we go to heaven (or hell, if we've been bad)? Experiments suggest the answer is simpler than anyone thought. Without the glue of consciousnes...
 
 
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09:35 PM on 07/16/2010
I disagree...all we are is consciousness which is eternal. When we physically die, all that is left is our consciousness which then chooses to go to another realm or to be reincarnated, among many other options because we are multidimensional beings. In the physical realm, we are consciousness within a physical form...our consciousness animates our body, not our brain, our brain is the computer that responds to our consciousness...we are spiritual beings experiencing physicality. Consciousness never dies, it only takes other forms. I wish modern science would understand and acknowledge this, as many ancient and very advanced civilizations did.
05:29 PM on 08/04/2010
Would you like to explain what happens with your consciousness when brain damage happens? I

You know these kind of things.
personality changes
Changes in social behavior.
Changes in personality.
Increased aggressive behavior

Would you like to comment on that?
07:57 PM on 08/04/2010
What 'ancient and advanced' civilizations would you be talking about? The same ones that worshiped the sun or other fictitious gods? This is pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.

"Consciousness never dies" -- please demonstrate...
"We are spiritual being" -- where's your evidence?
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06:33 AM on 07/08/2010
The lack of evidence in all things are the product of what we reveal through the process of thought and imagination, which work in tandem. Fear of the unknown provides a more selective process that allows the belief that we reconcile our differences between right and wrong in order to avoid punishment for the acts of indiscretion that are defined by others who are as equally flawed as we are ourselves. Guilt therefore becomes a control mechanism manifested by the description of an afterlife that is either a reward or punishment for the life we have lived. The lack of fear is the ability to see life as a series of events to which we are exposed and that allow a series of responses that are the footprints of a destiny that lead forward into a path that determines our fate in this life, and perhaps in the next. Maturation is another opportunity by which conceptualization allows a reflection of the path traveled, and as that path begins to narrow there is yet another opportunity to embrace that path, to accept the experience of having traveled it, to bask in the beauty of its existence, to accept what has been learned as the process that leads life to its end, and as such to find forgiveness in all things with the wisdom to accept that no life is perfect; and, that the key to any life after death lies within the path we have left behind.
02:50 AM on 06/24/2010
You are a spiritual being having a human experience. Then you die and return- reincarnation. Apparently you live through countless incarnations. If reincarnation is real does this mean when you die depending on your Karma and your Dharma that you don't necessarily reincarnate in a linear move through time from past to future. You can be reincarnated as anyone in any time and probably live and experience life as every person that has lived. So in that sense truly we are all one. Whatever you do does come back to you because you experience it yourself firsthand. You experience every good or bad thing that you do to others because you live as all the others. Bound to the wheel of life and death. An unimaginable nightmare of a twilight zone and fortunately you have no memory or recollection of it.

A possibility so horrible I call it : New Jersey!
04:37 PM on 06/25/2010
see the Seth books by Jane Cambell??, 'he' says that all personalities of a higher entity, a Seth, are alive in different places around the world, in different centuries. Thus you can 'see' a Roman soldier in the eyes of a young lady. Eternity is not endless time, it is a point, it is NO-time. The space between inhale and exhale is NO-breath. Nietzsche was very interested in the space between notes of music. Eternity is present 'now', and I like to call it 'death', because the ego-mind must 'die' to experience this timeless, which sort of does away with the idea of reincarnation, at least as death, then life, then death. Or, perhaps, all reincarnation happens on this side of death, just like going to sleep and waking up in the morning, unchanged. The mind goes into the point of the timeless in deep sleep each night, however, it goes back to the point where death and birth meet. I just had a dream about this this morning, as an ox-bow of a meandering river, or as the cord of the druid, held in the hand with a loop above--all emerges from the hand and returns to it. Hand = heart = timeless = Li = universal. Mind = chi = movement = many = 'me'.
05:35 PM on 06/29/2010
(correction) Seth books by Jane Roberts
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09:13 PM on 06/23/2010
Everything that begins, ends. There is some contention about how the universe will end. We only know that it will. What was before? What will be after? Nothingness in the absolute? An absence of both the light and the darkness?

Ya got me. I've long ago ceased trying to think 11-dimensional thoughts with a 3-dimensional brain.
04:44 PM on 06/25/2010
see The Power of Now, Tolle. Thinking = time = egoic-mind. There was no big bang, that is our perception of something we can't understand; give up the need to conceptualize what is beyond thinking; see Space, p. 113ff. The next level is non-dual, which is to see the positive and negative as a unity. Thus, stop thinking, you are almost there, with the "ceased trying to think", p. 111, replace it with 'hunter's alertness', surrender, don't resist.
04:11 PM on 06/21/2010
Dr. Lanza, are you a ‘soul’ rebooting on this summer’s day? Most folks have lost their souls by age 40—a CEO can continue without it, using habitual responses, but can never again make an original decision. When he appears on TV in front of a congressional committee, he is ‘dead’, unchanging. To see images of dead people floating in the air, I need only, figuratively, to exchange my radio for a TV set. When the human body dies, if the soul is still attached, a plasma TV is born, rather, static has been removed and one sees what was there all along. Thus there is no after-death world, but instead it interpenetrates this world, just as TV signals penetrate my head. When the capacity for real change is lost (‘god’ is change), then non-movement in imagination begins and one becomes a ‘theoretician’. Imagination is instantaneous, but life requires long-term application. Mental illness and PTSD are nothing but the repetition in imagination of good or bad moments from long ago. Narcissism is a collection of protective images resulting from the withdrawal of (soul) energy (images) from the world and focusing it on the ego (or id). James Hillman, as well as Kopp (Pickpocket and the Saint) tout imagination and also warn against it. Perhaps part of soul is the ability to imagine, but the other part is the ability to persist, by sending energy (love) outward until ‘I’ the ego, is lost in the stranger, the world.
04:10 PM on 06/21/2010
Dr. Lanza, many commenters herein have correctly stated the concept of ‘Now’ as support for, or opposition to, your reboot concept (see, ‘The Power of Now’, E. Tolle). Rebooting in the ‘now’ is only a technique, at best, and is certainly not an explanation, as in ‘don’t mistake the finger pointing at the moon for the moon’. If one is successful at stumbling into the ‘now’, the result is a paradigm shift in which the duality of ‘here’ and ‘there’, subject and object, breaks down and the ‘oneness’ of all is dimly sensed. In the Tibetan Book of the Dead, the goal is to remain ‘between’, in the instant after death, and not to proceed further into the ‘world’ of death. This is the ‘now’, the space between the inhalation and exhalation, and can be done while alive. In this ‘now’, the goal is to experience the interdependence of the undifferentiated (Li) and the ‘many’ (the ego). Like the candle revealed by darkness, no ‘individual’ is real unless seen surrounded by all that he is not (death, the 'potentia' of possibilities not yet manifested). As an individual, the goal is not so much to feel myself as light, surrounded by darkness (Li, ‘god’), but as the reverse, myself as the darkness surrounded by (myself and) the rest of you folks, who are the ‘light’ (intellect; manifested ‘potentia’). Y’all are ‘becoming’ and I am ‘being’, in the now.
08:51 AM on 06/21/2010
Time to get practical and use some common sense, folks.

All this talk of life after death is hoodo. You are born, live your life, regenerate life and die and cease to exist. While awake, you think, reason. While asleep, you recharge yourself. Of all the billions of life forms that have lived on this Earth, there is no proof that any one has come back after being dead. When your dead, your dead. It's a fact!

Check out Zombies and how they are created, i.e. eating blow fish. An explanation of Jesus life after death. Jesus was a man and a magician Religious faith is unprovable and has no standing in law. Faith of all forms is man's way of coping with life and death when no factual evidence can be found.

Science shows that all matter in the Universe will always be. Only it's form changes. How the Universe was formed from nothing will never be known. Live with it!

Bottom line, be thankful for the life you are given. Live your life to the best, enjoy and understand when you die, you cease to exist. Only memories of you will remain and will be forgotten in two or three generations.
05:45 PM on 07/01/2010
yup, pure hoodo. The ego-mind dies along with the body. However, any step forward in increased consciousness (not in 'thinking') does go to some reservoir somewhere, and is never lost. This consciousness has no trace of 'me' or 'I' attached to it. If I add a new thought to the theory of relativity, that bit of consciousness came to me already formed, because many philosophers or scientists had built it up over centuries. Perhaps I added another fillip to it and gave it back to the 'source', to be contacted by the next person capable of switching rapidly back and forth between impersonal consciousness and personal thoughts. Dr. Lanza's summer's day shows he is 'stuck' and is not 'fluid', and therefore not 'creatively' using the thought-consciousness interchange.
08:46 AM on 06/20/2010
No soul ever gets left behind, lingers in the room, gets trapped on the earth plane, or is unable to cross over because of a trauma, tragedy or unfinished business.

Important to remember is that your earthly identity is a temporary mask ... an actor in a play. Only the soul is real and eternal and is composed of many lifetimes' experiences. At physical death the multi-facted and weathered soul moves on, leaving behind the physical body and the earthly identity. The person you knew and loved becomes integrated into the multi-dimensional soul.

http://blog.soul-therapy.com/2010/04/i-see-dead-people.html

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Soul-Therapy/278635488830

http://www.soul-therapy.com/
04:47 PM on 06/19/2010
The point is (I think) is that time is a construct. We use words laden with tense ("was", "is", "will be") to indicate what we have been taught is past, present, and future. If I'm 64 (and losing my hair) what does that time-construct indicate? Truly, it means something only to other humans and it's surprisingly banal: that I have traveled around the sun 64 times. How many times have you traveled around the sun? In your travels did you experience any experience other than the one you're experiencing as you read this? I"m going to leave these words here as a marker for you, one that your mind will tell you is in "the past" and one that your consciousness can experience only as it reads them. As to your own future? Your death is already with you. You just haven't experienced it because you haven't made enough trips around the sun. Yet. Go figure.
05:54 PM on 07/01/2010
In 'The End of Time', time is equated with stillness, and thus does not move or exist (complicated book for those who understand college physics, at least). He has a snake, composed of probability points, whose twistings of body make a path through space that we call time, but it isn't. Thus, as above, it is likely that our death is 'already with us'. Astrologers say there are at least 3 points in your life when you can exercise your 'option' and make a link to your death, which is there. In addition, both palmistry and Chinese face reading have the age of death already marked on the body. You just have to live until you get to that age, and then to activate, or not, that doorway to what is already here, so there is no door, thus no time, thus no movement. We live in a point, there was no Big Bang. It is all a holodeck on Star Trek.
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09:15 PM on 06/18/2010
After reading all of the many interesting, intellectual, intriguing, funny, mystical, pragmatic responses to this article. I realize now, that I am stalling. Off to clean the carpets. Peace.
04:58 PM on 06/18/2010
This blog blows my mind. Gotta read his book.
05:54 PM on 06/17/2010
On the first day of these comments, someone remarked that a paradigm shift is needed. Here is my try at it. You can't see a candle unless it is surrounded by darkness. You don't really 'see' an 'individual' as 'alive' unless he is surrounded by undifferentiation and darkness (in Zen: Li = 'god' = One), as having a bit of 'death'. In India, the secret of life is said to be found by meditating on a candle flame, on the dark, clear area just above the wick and below the 'light'. In a human the head, thinking, is 'light' and makes us 'individual'. The heart is this clear darkness of undifferentiation, SHARED imperfection with others is 'love'. Some folks try too hard to 'grow', like a plant, 'up', into their head. This results in 'idealism' (as defined by Plato?), which is light not balanced by darkness. The goal is to return down to your imperfect and dark roots, and thus to see 'the dark side of the light bringers'. All healthy people have some cynicism (I 'see' your darkness) and a mild depression (I feel my darkness). Fromm remarks, in Heart of Man, p. 109, that "Hitler was that rare diseased state of the personality, an ego virtually without penumbra" -- if you have no awareness of your 'shadow' you live too much in the 'light', in some numinous (Jung) summer day in a blacksmith's shop long ago. The preferred paradigm shift is into shared imperfection .
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08:47 PM on 06/18/2010
If you have no awareness of your shadow, you are a kumkwat.
06:53 AM on 06/17/2010
its very intersting fact that makes me to think about life after death...
do u think there is a life after death??

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03:48 PM on 06/18/2010
I've had many psychic experiences, but I don't think they prove anything. I'm with Buddha on this: you gain nothing by knowing one way or another. I work with mentally ill inmates in a prison, and I see death, in the living, all around me--this is the paradigm shift. The secret to IMMORTAL LIFE is narcissism, but the price you pay is a single cell (this withdrawal is called the paranoid-schizoid azis). If these inmates are so happy in their self-created 'HEAVEN', why are they so destructive? I believe that the healthy part of them IS this destruction, trying to get them back into life, which is the suffering which grows us. C.Castaneda writes of Mexican shamans, 400 years ago, who, to escape persecution by the Spanish, 'created' an imaginary place (narcissistic) and have been livng in it ever since. However, they must steal the life essence from humans to survive. Nature develops intelligence, and it is then up to humans to 'descend' and reconnect to their humanity and imperfection, felt as death. I believe that many well-intentioned people in these comments, as well as Dr. Lanza, have contacted, and have been possessed (Jungian term) by a numinous energy emanating from (the non-place, or world of) death, and that they are calling it 'heaven' and that they will live for a long time in it after death, but I don't envy them this at all.
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04:28 PM on 06/19/2010
You have an interesting way of expressing this. I see it as a disconnect from what is right in front of you.
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04:41 PM on 06/25/2010
I went through a period, in the '80's and '90's when I was intensely interested in spiritual matters, art, poetry, writing. I was a member of the Diamond Sangha in N. Calif., had some intense mystical experiences. Since then my interests in such things, for various reasons, has diminished or disappeared.

Now I tend mostly to be interested in my wife, my dogs, our goats, the land we live on, our immediate neighbors and gardening. My engagement outside the world is online, on sites like this.

How about you?
04:59 PM on 06/18/2010
Yes, we just move into different potentialities as Lanza says.
11:23 PM on 06/16/2010
Thanks this may explain my experience with regression hypnotherapy. Memories of a Chinese woman who had loved a Japanese man - very amazing as I had never been to either China nor Japan and indeed finally when I visited both of those places over a number of years I was lucky enough to photograph things I had described to my hypnotherapist in 1989. The impressions of great grief were SO STRONG in my 'memory' that when conjured up I cried and cried and cried. The woman's children had been burned to death in a fire in the 1800's. I chose not to have children because of a very deep fear of their being hurt. Explanations? Emotions are remembered if they are deep enough?
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04:06 PM on 06/16/2010
mr. lanza, i love reading your posts. i feel that they contribute towards a greater understanding of the human consciousness in relation to the universe. i came from a southern baptist upbringing and have traversed much ground in pursuit of truth. finding eastern religious texts made me not a devotee but rather cultured my appreciation for the subtle truths of existence. biblical literalists, or any literalists, could never possibly being to understand and appreciate these subtleties.

i thank you again for bringing these to light, however ill received they are by these christian fear mongers.
04:59 PM on 06/18/2010
agreed