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Why Men Don't Listen to Women

Posted: 01/27/11 08:26 AM ET

In a recent posting I identified a list of the wrong things to say to someone who is upset. Interestingly, this led to a lot of comments on The Huffington Post, which got me thinking. The first thought I had was, "Why do men find it so hard to validate women?"

Before I get into this, I'd like you to think about the research by psychologist John Gottman. Gottman has been able to predict with 91 percent accuracy which couples will end up getting divorced. He calls these "The Four Horsemen of Apocalypse" -- along with other problematic styles of communication. The Four Horsemen are Criticism ("You are always whining"), Contempt ("You're a basket case"), Defensiveness ("I'm not the problem, you are!") and Stonewalling (withdrawing or becoming silent). Other problematic styles include starting the conversation in a hostile or intense style, giving off body-language that is defensive or cold, flooding your partner with negativity, and bringing up past memories, complaints and injuries. When you can predict divorce with 91 percent accuracy you know you are on to something.

Now I don't want to claim that men are always the problem -- or that they are even more likely to be the problem than women are. No group is innocent, no group is perfect. But I can see that a lot of times men have a great deal of difficulty validating and emotionally supporting the women in their lives. Here are some reasons.

The Seven Reasons Men Don't Listen

  1. It's a Power Struggle. Some men view intimate relationships as a win-lose game. If the woman is venting her feelings, then she is winning and the man is losing. As a result these men may try to dominate and control the woman, telling her that she is illogical, out of control or just a pain to deal with. One man says, "You want us to be doormats."
  2. Sarcasm
    Many men describe their interactions in terms of "sarcastic" comments -- put-downs, contempt, criticism and condescension. For example, some men respond with, "It must be that time of the month" or "Get me a beer" or other problematic and self-defeating comments. They think that sarcasm will get the woman to either shut up or help her see that she is being ridiculous. She gets the message that he not only doesn't care -- but that he is the last person to ask for support. He thinks he's clever and funny -- and she thinks he just doesn't get it.
  3. Macho Thinking
    A number of men comment that to validate or to use emotional language to support the woman is unmanly. "You are trying to make us into wusses," a number of men say. They believe that the role of the man is to be strong, above it, domineering. Validating and allowing emotional ventilation is for feminized men, men who have lost their dignity as "real men." The women may think that some of the macho confidence is appealing, until it leads them to feel that the only emotion they can get from him is his anger.
  4. Emotional Dysregulation
    Some men find it so upsetting, so emotionally arousing to listen to their partners that they feel they have to ventilate their anger or withdraw. In fact, this is supported by the research that shows that their pulse-rates escalate during conflict and they find this unbearable. As a result of their own escalating emotion -- which they can't tolerate -- they either try to get her to shut up -- or they leave the room. She feels controlled, marginalized and abandoned.
  5. Not Wanting to Reinforce Whining
    This is another reason that men give for not supporting or encouraging expression. They believe that validating and making time and space for their partner's expression will reinforce complaining which, in turn, will go on indefinitely. So they want to stop it immediately by using sarcasm, control or stonewalling. She feels that he won't let her talk, that he is cold, aloof, hostile. So she goes somewhere else to get that support -- another woman friend -- or another man.
  6. Demand for Rationality
    Some men believe that their partner should always be rational and that irrationality cannot be tolerated. Their response to their partner's apparent irrationality is to point out every error in her thinking, dismiss her, become sarcastic or withdraw. This demand for rationality or "the facts" might sound "mature" but I have yet to hear someone say that they have a great sex life because they have the facts on their side. Communication is often more about soothing, grooming, connecting -- less about simply giving you the information and being logical.
  7. Problems Have to Be Solved
    These men think that the main reason for communication is to share facts that then can be used for problem-solving. They think that venting and sharing feelings gets you nowhere and that if their partner is not willing to initiate problem-solving then she is being self-indulgent and wasting everyone's time and energy. When he jumps in with problem-solving, she either escalates the emotion which she believes is not heard, or she withdraws.

Well, ask yourself, "Have these responses really worked?" Why is this kind of behavior and thinking so predictive of divorce? If it's not working -- and you and your partner both know it's not -- then maybe it's time to think about making a change. You can change your partner -- break up, get divorced. Or, perhaps it would be easier to change your response to your partner. In a previous posting I listed some possible responses.

Let me go back to a fundamental part of intimate relationships. We want to feel that our partner cares about and respects our feelings. We want to believe that they have time to listen. We want to feel supported, soothed and that we are not a burden. The seven beliefs and styles above -- which many men use -- only alienate the women that they claim they love. If it's not working, why would you continue to act this way?

The answer may be that some men view relationships in terms of power and control. They believe that being real men means never giving up your power. They think that women need to be kept in their place, not "indulged," taught how to think rationally and solve real problems. Of course, rationality and problem-solving are important, but if your partner wants to be heard and respected you better find out first before you jump in and take control. Real men share power, real men are partners, real men know that real women need real respect.

 
 
 

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In a recent posting I identified a list of the wrong things to say to someone who is upset. Interestingly, this led to a lot of comments on The Huffington Post, which got me thinking. The first though...
In a recent posting I identified a list of the wrong things to say to someone who is upset. Interestingly, this led to a lot of comments on The Huffington Post, which got me thinking. The first though...
 
 
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10:10 AM on 03/16/2011
Nothing like presenting something you are enthused about and receiving criticism or negative vibes back from someone.. Joyfulness is so sweet when celebrated.
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04:47 PM on 03/12/2011
Wow. This article could have been written specifically about my ex-husband. It's almost scary.

Luckily, I have since found a "real" man, as you have described in your last sentence. Thank god for second chances. I can't imagine having had to spend the rest of my life with my ex.
06:06 PM on 03/04/2011
Whatever the problem is, I ask us all to consider the solution. In my opinion, the best husbands are those that embrace their masculinity and express it in a mature manner. When it comes to my wife, my job is to care for her in the best way possible. If she is upset, I should listen and serve her by giving her what she desires most in that moment: my attention, my compassion and my love. If while she vents, I begin to feel defensive, I have to find it within myself to get over it and remember that she is my partner, not my adversary. That my commitment is to love and care for her, not to defeat her. I find Alison Armstrong gets this right (understandmen.com), as do Dr Pat Allen and Justin Sterling. They teach men to celebrate their masculine spirit and to express it in a manner that lifts up everyone around them, especially their woman, encouraging women to live in their feminine power.
06:33 PM on 02/05/2011
I do not know why I was invited to this conversation (by some male) or even why I felt the need to respond to many comments. However, I assume that he had his reasons. The bottom line is respect! Respect for yourself and respect for your partner! Everything else is superficial.
06:01 PM on 02/05/2011
I think that either the research is inconclusive, that the Researcher is shallow or men are shallow. In any event the comments are childish and comes from a negative minds-set.
09:25 AM on 02/04/2011
Men and women are just programmed differently thanks to nature. Even if a man knows a woman is just venting, it's hard to listen to 15 minutes of complaining about her problems and not try to solve them. She just wants a comforting ear, but to a guy, it would seem cold to just say "that's too bad honey".
Women are more attuned to verbal tone than the specific words and facts.
06:11 PM on 02/05/2011
I do not know what kind of a women one would be use to that a man would categorize a valid point of communication as "complaining for 15 minutes". Makes me wonder why she has to ‘complain’.
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I want my jewels back.
04:43 PM on 02/20/2011
Because all human beings have plenty to complain about.
09:16 AM on 02/04/2011
Reasons 1-5 are not significant in my experience. Reasons 6 & 7 are much more common
06:15 PM on 02/05/2011
Wow, I am impressed with this one...Sounds like a man after my own heart! Good looking Andy.
02:37 PM on 02/03/2011
Men act in the ways described because of corresponding failures on the part of women, dont blame men, the relationship is failing because both parties are doing things wrong.

"The answer may be that some men view relationships in terms of power and control."

that is sexist, men and woman equally seek to control, perhaps by separate avenues.
09:42 PM on 02/03/2011
Agreed and well said Sarah. Communication is a two way street. Blaming one person in a relationship for everything - while good fodder for comedians - is no way to live and actually find happiness in life.
06:18 PM on 02/05/2011
Sarah, you began by, in my opinion, saying the right thing but faltered at the end there when you stated, "men and woman equally seek to control"...Here lies the problem, "Control".
04:43 PM on 02/02/2011
The problem hee is how women seem to think they have some right to treat men like psychologists in relationships. Do you people know how fast psychologists can burn out. Sitting there for just a few hours and listening to someones problems day in and day out is emotionally draining. I don't remember the clinical word for it but it is a real problem in psychology practices and women do the same thing to men as what patients do to shrinks. They treat you like a emotional tampon and it has nothing to do with respect or love but is expoitative and really ought to be seen as a type of emotional abuse.
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05:14 PM on 02/02/2011
In a doctor/patient relationship, you are definitely the mental patient. Hope that helps.
11:54 PM on 02/02/2011
I'm not sure if that was called for. There are a few ways that remark could be interpreted - and all of them offensive. I think TK definately has a point.
06:34 PM on 03/04/2011
If you are speaking from personal experience, I would encourage you to consider the following. If your woman is always complaining, you should listen better and more closely. Find men that you trust and bounce her complaints off of them - they may help you interpret what she is saying and help you see what you are (or are not) doing to cause her to feel the way that she feels.

If her complaints are unbearable, and you do not have kids with her, I encourage you to leave. If you do have kids with her, seek help immediately from a circle of mature men. This has helped me tremendously.
04:42 PM on 02/02/2011
Follow this advice, guys, and you will end up getting dumped.

The article basically says that men should do whatever women want them to do, men should be doormats.

Obviously, that doesn't work at all. This is a load of misandric feminist bullhonkey. Women don't actually want what they say they want - they want someone who takes control. If you give in to a woman's selfish demands, prepare to live a life of hell.

Learn game, which actually works, and you will be much better off. Search Google for "Average Married Chump" and you'll learn about how to apply game to marriage.

To think this guy calls himself a therapist, when all he is is a man blaming fool.
11:23 AM on 02/03/2011
You heard that right, folks. Poor irrational women don't even know what they want. Thank goodness they have strong, rational men out there to take control of -

Actually, I feel icky just going along with this line of thinking even in sarcasm.
06:49 PM on 02/05/2011
I hear you Girl Friend!
06:39 PM on 02/05/2011
LOL...You are on it! However, game playing do not always work and will eventually catch up with you. However, whatever works for you...
10:08 PM on 02/01/2011
...and this whole line of thought goes also to prove that we can ALL do a better job at communicating, and communicating what we are looking for in a relationship before either getting married, or as some would do, getting into a sexual relationship and creating emotional soul ties that can become extremely painful to get over later after we find that this other person is not compatible with us like we thought.

What is wrong with something like a pre-marriage or dating check list, that allows both the man and woman to interview each other, and ask these specific questions about communication, and other things that one wants in life? Why does it seem that many are too afraid to consider something like this? Is it not that many fear they will be rejected for proposing such an idea? Of course, this is mainly addressing those who are not currently married, but how about something like a contract written that both can agree on, that will hold each other accountable?

The underlying problem I see in relationships/marriages is UN-EXPRESSED and UN-FULLFILLED EXPECTATIONS that people bring into a relationship that have NEVER been communicated in the first place. Well, why not put those expectations in written form, and make them part of a contract that we not only expect from the other person, but are willing to be held accountable to? Maybe then our desire for respect will have a better chance of success.
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05:21 PM on 02/02/2011
Very insightful comments. It amazes me that virtual strangers get married all the time. I think part of the problem is that both parties misrepresent themselves during courtship as the people they wish they were, not the people they really are. Think of all the people who claim to like "long walks on the beach" in personal ads- but the closest they've been to the ocean in years is dinner at Red Lobster. Even common interests aren't going to keep a couple together without knowing the specifics. If you both like mountain biking, great- but if he likes to do it 65% of his spare time, and she's into it 12%, ain't. gonna. happen.
09:45 PM on 02/01/2011
In addition to things I've said already, we men do need to listen to women, because many women are very intelligent, and can provide great input (apart from what "some" of us think about women). And women need to do so, likewise. But in relation to emotional listening, this is a completely different thing that we need to do better at understanding, although not enabling the abuse of it. We need to indentify problems we both face in this kind of listening, since for one, my position has already been stated, that "certain" women have emotional issues that go beyond the normal need for a listening ear. And, with some men, control can be an issue, when they (and this can be flipped around since sometimes the roles can be reversed), where the one in the listening mode may not like to listen because it isn't a topic of interest to them. I know some people who don't want to participate in conversation unless it is something they like talking about, such as men with sports. Many men are not interested in woman topics. But the same goes for some women, who don't want to talk about what men are interested in. Partnership and cooperation are key, and finding the person that is compatible to each one of us is what's important, since no two people are exactly alike, and not all people of the same gender behave and think alike either.
06:48 PM on 02/01/2011
Ok, if you think it's necessary. There are many references to women talking non-stop. I've known men that do the same thing. Silence is golden. Surely you are familiar with that old adage. The concept goes back to Ancient Greece.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/silence-is-golden.html
03:13 PM on 02/01/2011
Silence is golden.
04:30 PM on 02/01/2011
Would you care to elaborate?
06:48 PM on 02/01/2011
Ok, if you think it's necessary. There are many references to women talking non-stop. I've known men that do the same thing. Silence is golden. Surely you are familiar with that old adage. The concept goes back to Ancient Greece.

http://www­.phrases.o­rg.uk/mean­ings/silen­ce-is-gold­en.html
06:26 PM on 02/05/2011
Amen!
02:54 PM on 02/01/2011
Good grief! I do hope that the headline should read "SOME" men and that these attributes are not universally present in ALL men. Why any woman would put up with someone who dismisses them in such ways is beyond my grasp.

I hate arguments and my "pulse-rate escalates during conflict" and I'm not male. Actually my pulse rate is escalating just reading about such males. Give me peace over dealing with anyone of either sex who doesn't take me seriously.
06:27 PM on 02/05/2011
Amen and Amen!