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Robert Naiman

Robert Naiman

Posted: August 16, 2010 12:24 PM

575. That's how many U.S. soldiers have lost their lives in the Afghanistan war since Barack Obama became President at noon on January 20, 2009, according to the icasualties.org website, which tracks U.S. soldiers' deaths using reports received from the Department of Defense -- and which is widely cited in the media as a source of information on U.S. deaths.

According to the same website, 575 is also the number of U.S. soldiers who lost their lives in the Afghanistan war during the Presidency of George W. Bush.

Therefore, total U.S. deaths in Afghanistan have doubled in Afghanistan under President Obama, and when the next U.S. soldier is reported dead, the majority of U.S. deaths in Afghanistan will have occurred under President Obama.

This grim landmark should be reported in the media, and White House reporters should ask Robert Gibbs to comment on it. It is quite relevant to Gibbs' implicit attempt to marginalize critics of the war in Afghanistan by claiming that they wouldn't be satisfied with anything less than the abolition of the Pentagon. The majority of Americans - including the overwhelming majority of Democrats, and at least 60% of House Democrats - are deeply skeptical of the Administration's Afghanistan policy not because they are knee-jerk pacifists - obviously they are not - but because the human and financial cost of the war is rising, we have nothing to show for the increased cost, and the Administration has not articulated a clear plan to reach the endgame; indeed, Administration officials, led by General Petraeus, have just launched a public relations campaign to undermine the substantial drawdown in troops next summer that Democratic leaders in Congress, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have said that they expect.

This grim landmark is not reported directly by the icasualties.org website -- you have to have to go to the right places on the website to retrieve the data and then calculate it from the data given. The data retrieval and arithmetic is straightforward, but I will carefully explain it here so that any reader - and particular any reporter and news editor -- can easily reproduce it.

The top-level organization of the icasualties.org website is divided into two parts, according to the designations previously given to the "two wars" by the Department of Defense: "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and "Operation Enduring Freedom." The latter designation includes not just U.S. deaths in Afghanistan, but also non-Iraq U.S. deaths in the conflicts formerly known collectively as the "Global War on Terror"; for example, it includes deaths in the Philippines and Djibouti, far away from Afghanistan.

But you can find in the database U.S. deaths in Afghanistan since 2001 by year and month by first going to this link, and then, underneath the table that initially appears under "Fatalities by Year and Month," choosing in the pop-up menus, "US" for nationality, "All Fatalities" for Fatality Type, and "Afghanistan Only" for Theatre.

You should then see a table that looks like this (view as web page) (download excel spread sheet).

As shown beneath the table, when you sum the yearly totals you get:

Total: 1150
2001-2008: 564
2009-2010: 586

But this wouldn't give the right figures for Bush and Obama, because it would allocate all of January 2009 to Obama, when he was only President from noon on January 20.

Subtracting the 14 deaths of January 2009 from the total for 2009-10 gives:

2001-2008: 564
2009-2010 (not counting 1/09): 572

You can find the daily data for January 2009 by going to this link:

Scrolling down to January 2009, of the 14 deaths in Afghanistan (there was a January 30 death in Djibouti), 11 took place before January 20 and 3 took place after January 20.

Adding 11 to 564 and 3 to 572 gives:

Totals:
Bush: 575
Obama: 575

News media generally like landmarks as a way to visit and explain the U.S. death toll from the wars.

This landmark is surely a worthy candidate for consideration.

I expect Robert Gibbs to be asked about it.

 

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575. That's how many U.S. soldiers have lost their lives in the Afghanistan war since Barack Obama became President at noon on January 20, 2009, according to the icasualties.org website, which tracks ...
575. That's how many U.S. soldiers have lost their lives in the Afghanistan war since Barack Obama became President at noon on January 20, 2009, according to the icasualties.org website, which tracks ...
 
 
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Peta51
Humane Rights Advocate
10:33 PM on 08/18/2010
Yes, Wake up Amerika! Afghanistan is the Vietnam of this era. I refer to Afghanistan now as Afghanisnam. Let us focus on domestic issues, domestic needs, domestic priorities.

All of us who are eligible should focus on the coming November Elections, work in your own local neighborhood to make it better and get involved in what is going on around you. At the same time, let us have a keen awareness of what is going on in other countries and oppose all manifestations of Amerikan Empire building! Be for real! Take a stand against Afghanisnam! ~Che Peta
~ http://twitter.com/Peta_de_Aztlan
Sergeant
Dress Right
05:50 PM on 08/18/2010
Johnson was hounded from office by the same progressives that put him in. It wasn't for his Great Society and his programs on civil rights and housing. It was for his continued involvement in Viet Nam. The antiwar activists organized and came out against the man they helped elect because of his war. Anyone who fails to learn from history is destined to repeat it. The antiwar crowd is already making noise....and rightfully so.
05:48 PM on 08/18/2010
Beck here:
America, this was never Bush's war.
America, this is not Obama's war.
America, this is your war.
America.
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RedandGreen
05:43 PM on 08/18/2010
That statement is the bald-faced truth. What was once Bush's war is now emphatically Obama's war. The fact that he chooses to continue killing innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan long after Bush's departure renders the fact.
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Core-Sample
Not on the rug, man....
03:12 PM on 08/18/2010
It's not just Obama's war. It's alos the previous administration's. They just got to retire and walk away from the mess. But, they own it. Obama just runs it.
Sergeant
Dress Right
05:46 PM on 08/18/2010
Nice try, general. It doesn't work that way. The Boss is in charge and can choose a different direction anytime he wants. He owns it.
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Core-Sample
Not on the rug, man....
10:49 AM on 08/19/2010
No, the ones who started it OWN it. Now, someone else is just in charge of it.
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
02:45 PM on 08/18/2010
You must first ignore the mismanagement of the war by the Bush administration, and the ordering of the Mujaheddin to guard the mountain passes into Pakistan, instead of the 10th Mountain division and US Special Forces.....Somehow OBL escaped........Then Bush pulled 8% of resources out of Afghanistan to bolster the occupation of Iraq......

So if you ignore the preceding 7 years of the war before Obama was inaugurated...Then sure.....
03:55 PM on 08/18/2010
If you ignore that deaths under Obama are apparently 5 times the rate of under Bush, then sure.
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
04:59 PM on 08/18/2010
Obama at least tried to force a positive outcome!......Bush stopped supporting the Afghan war in 2003.....

If the Taliban had not been allowed to become resurgent and regain strength and numbers, there might have been a different situation on the ground when Obama took office.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Ourstorian
Free your mind and your ass will follow!
02:34 PM on 08/18/2010
Death is just the simple kind of calculus the media loves. But it is no more a measure of the conduct of the war than the number of bullets fired. And it ignores the basic facts about how the Bush administration failed to provide the troops needed to prosecute the war they started, or to fund and equip it properly it from the outset. Where is that part of the discussion? Why not discuss why there wasn't a greater effort put forth to capture or kill bin Laden? Or why such efforts failed miserably? Had that primary mission been accomplished the Taliban could have been left to live happily in the 13th century, and America could have emerged with a clear and decisive victory over the only enemy in the region that really mattered to U.S. security.

Clearly Bush's criminal neglect of Afghanistan was due to his obsession with toppling Saddam Hussein. The article should have placed the Obama administration's recent "surge" of troops into Afghanistan, and the increasing death toll, within this proper historical context. Ultimately what it does is blame the current administration for the years of maladministration that preceded it.

That being said, I opposed the war from the beginning. I remain in opposition to it no matter who is in the White House or how it is conducted.
03:56 PM on 08/18/2010
How does this change the fact that Bush had a handle on it and Obama clearly doesn't and Americans are dying for it?
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
04:59 PM on 08/18/2010
Bush abandoned the war in Afghanistan in 2003! What are you even talking about?
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Ourstorian
Free your mind and your ass will follow!
05:51 PM on 08/18/2010
Come on Tim, you know the only thing Bush ever had a handle on is a coke spoon and a liquor bottle.
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michael098762001
12:09 PM on 08/17/2010
Obama was quite explicit, many times in the course of his campaign for POTUS , about wanting to escalate the war in Afghanistan , and ramp up the number of CIA hellfire predator drone attacks in Pakistan . This was a major reason for divisions on the U.S. left between liberals , progressives and radicals/socialists, about the bulk of the former supporting Obama with those in the latter ideological camp seeing Obama as just another Imperialist. In '08, it was quite a spectacle to see the sector of the Left that aligns with the Democratic Party , many members of which had supposedly learned some lessons during the Vietnam War about U.S. Imperialism , ignore or be defensive about what their more radical friends were saying about Obama and Afghanistan. Those who voted for Obama (including myself in caucuses and in Nov.) were voting for an escalation in Afghanistan. It is the war of all of those who voted for Obama , including those who lean left.
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Wisdo
semantics shamantics
11:31 AM on 08/17/2010
Interesting take on it. Id still call them both Bushs wars. I doubt if Obama would have started either one. However he has continued both and enlarged one so the blood is on his hands too. America will pay a far, far larger price than 3 trillion dollars for what it has done in this insane christian jihad.
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
02:38 PM on 08/18/2010
Except the combat operations in Iraq ended, and all but the training personnel will be gone by Aug. 31st.... That is not a continuation.

Bush ignored Afghanistan, and allowed the Taliban to regroup and reorganize and regain territory!

If Bush had taken Bin Laden at Tora Bora in 2001, this would have been moot!
Sergeant
Dress Right
05:52 PM on 08/18/2010
And if Clinton had gotten him before that it would have also been moot.
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IntelligenceIsBliss
07:21 AM on 08/17/2010
Thank you for illuminating how Zionists want the US embroiled in two mideast wars. It is time to rethink the US-Israel relationship. It is asymbiotic, with Israel acting as the parasites. What does the American taxpayer receive from Israel in return for the hundreds of millions we spend there?

We get to share Israel's enemies and experience the endless war that Zionists crave.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
07:36 AM on 08/17/2010
Intelligence, excellent post,F&F. Washingtons 35000 Lobbyist,The best Govt money can buy:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/pilger/pilger83.1.html
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michael098762001
11:58 AM on 08/17/2010
What Israeli interest is served by the NATO intervention in Afghanistan?
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
IntelligenceIsBliss
01:32 AM on 08/18/2010
Um., let's see. How about a massive NATO army sitting on Iran, Iraq, and Turkey's flank? Another huge conspicuous target for all the terrorists to focus on besides the Israelis? Our politicians sell our soldiers lives for Israeli lobbying dollars. It is disgusting.
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Jim Pasterczyk
Banned!
01:58 AM on 08/17/2010
True but it will still have begun under Bush* who also neglected it for non-existent WMD in a country with proven oil making it the longest war in US history.
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jmpurser
See My micro-bio
10:05 AM on 08/17/2010
Finding Obama culpable for his own actions and their foreseeable consequences in no way exonerates Bush for his crimes.
01:20 PM on 08/17/2010
Correct
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Jim Pasterczyk
Banned!
02:47 AM on 08/18/2010
Concur.
Sergeant
Dress Right
05:53 PM on 08/18/2010
Saddam gassed the Kurds in northern Iraq. Thousands died. Gas is a WMD.
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Jim Pasterczyk
Banned!
09:47 PM on 08/18/2010
That occurred in the '80's during the Iraq-Iran war which Saddam started. And the means to produce the poison gas that Iraq used against the Kurds was given to Saddam by none other than Rummy as representative of the Reagan administration which realized it wouldn't be good for Iran to win that war and become the dominant country in the Persian Gulf, a little lesson lost on Bush* when he decided to invade Iraq himself. During our conquest and occupation of Iraq no WMD of any sort were found except mortar bombs filled with mustard gas leftover from the Iran-Iraq war which were buried in the desert probably because the Iraqis didn't know how to safely neutralize them and which were in no condition to be fired from mortar tubes. Next!
01:16 AM on 08/17/2010
1.Jewish state is as legitimate as an Arab state, French state or a German state.Only those obsessively consumed with the hatred for the Jewish state attempt to pretend otherwise.
2. Fact:Arabs in the Jewish state have access to more freedom of speech and democracy than Arabs do in most of Arab states.
3. Denial of the right of Jews to national self-determination on ANY basis,.is the domain of antisemitic propaganda..
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jmpurser
See My micro-bio
10:08 AM on 08/17/2010
So, if I say the Jews don't have the right to exterminate all Arabs in the name of "self-determination" then that's anti-semitic propaganda?

Get over yourself. Claiming that Israel's crimes are forgiven because it's a "jewish state" is just religious fanaticism as bad as the "Islamofascists". Until you can express your position WITHOUT using bigotry you're the bigot, not your critics.
01:22 PM on 08/17/2010
What!? They are not exterminating all the Arabs. Your weird lie is proof of your anti-semitism.
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ProCynic
Those that govern intend to be our masters.
04:01 PM on 08/18/2010
Nice example of the use of a strawman. Congrats.
10:47 PM on 08/16/2010
Oh, so ONE particular stat like that makes it "Obama's war"?

Come on now, Mr. Naiman. Last I looked the president who decides to pull a fast one on the American people and start a war under false pretenses, is the "owner" of that war.

And for all the conservatives who agree with this bullpuckey, let's imagine either Bill Clinton did or Obama does exactly the same thing. I.E., start a war under false pretenses and then can't even WIN the freakin' thing (even under ANY definition of "winning" that that brain-damaged administration cares to spin it as) after SEVEN YEARS for Afghanistan and FIVE YEARS for Iraq, and just dumps it on the doorstep of the next president. And let's imagine that president is a REPUBLICAN president (even though it is horrific to do so).

Ya ever think ANYone on the right would EVER just say, all mealy-mouthed and such, "well... after all... it's been long enough now and there's been X number of casualties during OUR administration, so... well... I guess it's OUR war now."

Instead of FOR. EV. ER. blaming Clinton or Obama up one side and down the other for the REST OF FREAKIN' TIME.
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11:48 PM on 08/16/2010
we all blame bush for starting the war but he is gone, now we have obama and he has taken bush's actions one step further. is he not accountable for that? should we all head over to bush's and protest to end the war oh wait now that obama is sending the troops we quit protesting.
02:43 AM on 08/17/2010
rumbles of bs
09:50 PM on 08/17/2010
YES HE ___IS___ ACCOUNTABLE.

THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE BEING DEBATED.

The issue is whether we can just cavalierly and comprehensively tag President Obama with Iraq being "Obama's War" (with, it seems to me, a related corollary that it takes some - even if just a little - responsibility for that war OFF the previous president).

The point I was making was when a president like GWB commits such mindboggling crimes such as starting a war under false pretenses (and not even being able to "win" it on TOP of that), then THAT president (who is arguably a war criminal, no less) owns it FOREVER. You screw up THAT bad, you don't GET to slough it off on your successor. In ANY way. EVER.

Go read the info at http://bushcrimes.net/ and then just TRY telling me otherwise.
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jmpurser
See My micro-bio
10:16 AM on 08/17/2010
It became "Obama's war" the day he was inaugurated. This particular statistic is a gut check on that.
12:15 PM on 08/17/2010
Oh, so you're a teabagger, too? People like you are an embarrassment to the human race.
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catlady1954
If I only knew then what I know now.
03:40 PM on 08/18/2010
Semantics.
09:52 PM on 08/16/2010
Officially, this is Obama's war.

Unofficially, this is Petraeus' war.

When, exactly, did General Petraeus decide to run for the presidency in 2016?
10:44 PM on 08/16/2010
Officially, it is Bush's War. He got us here. If he had finished it in 2002 instead of going after Iraq we would not still be here.
researcher
researcher
01:47 AM on 08/17/2010
it was never intended to be finished.

it is a war of profits.

designed to be another american colony like iraq.

what is it about americans that they are unable to see their war machine and its imperialism?

these are wars for corp profits and the military has to use it or lose it.

these wars are a win win for both the industrial military complex and the military funding to keep up it supply of money coming from congress.

most americans love their war machine liberals and conservs alike.

the only difference is the repubs take pride in their war mongering like a badge of honor.

mc war wanted to invade and bomb iran so bad he could taste it.

wars make money for the capitalist: war on drugs, war on poverty, war on terrorism, war on illegals, everything is a war to repubs.

at least they know where the money is./

next war: war on education to take over educationfor corp profits.

next privatize the social security. wall street is licking its chops over that one.

do you realize how many scams they can run with that kind of money. oh my.

wall street is so good at scams even when they fail they win. huge bonuses with taxpayers money even after they robbed the taxpayers. that is brillant pure genius even for a capitalist pure genius.
Sergeant
Dress Right
05:55 PM on 08/18/2010
And that kind of lack of responsibility is why Obama will be a one termer.
08:41 PM on 08/16/2010
Robert Naiman, Captain Obvious.
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RobertNaiman
Policy Director at Just Foreign Policy
08:51 PM on 08/16/2010
No doubt you mean that as an insult, but I take it as a compliment. Much of effective political activity, much of the activity of an effective public intellectual, consists in thinking up new ways to repackage the obvious, so more people will understand it, pay attention to it, and act on it.

Maybe I should get a "Captain Obvious" costume to go with my special superpower of stating the obvious. What would it look like? Would I have a cape?
09:28 PM on 08/16/2010
I'm glad you took it in good humor :)

Advocacy, I suppose, can be successful through repetition. The interesting aspect of your labeling exercise is that numerous advocates are busily applying glue to President Obama. The right, for an anticipated unsuccessful prosecution of the war, and the let for an attempt to bring it to a successful conclusion. In these cases my sympathies go to the people trying to get the task done.

As for the costume....I really should advocate for it as so few of us look good in Spandex.....but maybe a tastefully monogrammed polo shirt would do :)
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michael098762001
12:12 PM on 08/17/2010
stephenlight , I am curious as to your avatar. Is that a Traditionalist Catholic symbol?
03:31 PM on 08/17/2010
Hello Michael,

In short, yes.

It is the cross on the flag of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem, a result of the First Crusades, during which Jerusalem, was recaptured. It is still currently found as the national flag of Georgia as well as the flag of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem. This is still an order existing today out of the Vatican and Jerusalem. In fact, at our local Bishop's installment this week, the head of the Order, who happens to be American, will be in attendance. Similarly, the Franciscans use this same cross in several of their symbols, as custodians of much of the remaining church properties in the Holy Land.
10:00 PM on 08/20/2010
Thank you for the book references! I will definitely look them up.