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On Iran Strike, Israelis Trust Obama Over Bibi

Posted: 03/ 1/2012 12:12 pm

A funny thing happened on the way to the Showdown at the AIPAC Corral, where pro-war Republicans and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have been planning to ambush President Obama with charges of being "soft on Iran" because U.S. military commanders have said that an Israeli military attack on Iran would be a very bad idea.

Someone asked the Israeli public what they thought.

And it turns out that the majority of Israelis have their shekels on the lanky guy from Chicago.

Who knew?

In a poll conducted this month by Professor Shibley Telhami of the University of Maryland and Israel's Dahaf Institute, only 19 percent of Israelis said they would support an Israeli military attack on Iran if it is not approved by the U.S.

But that's not even the most striking result of the poll.

The poll suggests that the reason that the majority of Israelis don't support an Israeli military strike on Iran without U.S. approval is not because they are afraid of making the U.S. angry. The poll suggests that the reason that the majority of Israelis do not support an Israeli military strike on Iran without U.S. approval is that they share the cautions of U.S. officials against an Israeli strike on Iran: they think that the costs would be high, and the benefits small or nonexistent.

That is, they see the assessments of U.S. officials of the dubious merits of an Israeli strike as good data -- better data than they are getting from Prime Minister Netanyahu.

A majority of Israelis think an Israeli war with Iran would last months or years. Two-thirds think Hizbullah would join Iran in retaliating against Israel. As many Israelis think an Israeli military strike would strengthen Iran's government as think it would weaken it. A slim majority think an Israeli strike would delay Iran's nuclear program by more than a year; nearly a third think it would have no effect on Iran's nuclear program or even accelerate it.

Coming on the eve of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee Policy Conference, where official Washington will be pledging its "support for Israel," this is a powerful result. It means that those who are advocating an Israeli military attack on Iran are not speaking for Israeli public opinion.

It's Israeli civilians, not Americans, who live in the region in which Iran continues to have a nuclear program; but it's also Israeli civilians, much more so than Americans, who would pay the price of Iranian retaliation for an Israeli strike (keeping in mind, as U.S. officials noted again this week, that Americans would also pay a significant price for an Israeli strike.) It's Israelis who would be in bomb shelters - bomb shelters to which, the head of the Knesset civil defense committee says, almost one in four Israelis do not have access.

This example illustrates why letting the American Israel Public Affairs Committee be described as "pro-Israel" is so harmful. To do so conflates the interests of one group of right-wing political actors with the interests of the millions of human beings who call themselves Israeli. And of course that's exactly what AIPAC and the McCain-Graham-Lieberman axis of warmongering want. But the interests of the two groups of people are not necessarily the same, and they are certainly not the same in this case.

It has been said that Saudi Arabia is ready to fight Iran to the last American soldier. Perhaps AIPAC and the McCain-Graham-Lieberman axis of warmongering are ready to fight Iran to the last Israeli. But they should not be allowed to call themselves "pro-Israel" while they do so.

AIPAC is expected to push Congress for legislation next week that would facilitate an Israeli military strike on Iran. If you think sending Israelis to bomb shelters against their will isn't necessarily "pro-Israel," why not tell your representatives in Congress? The Friends Committee on National Legislation has established a toll-free number for you to use: 1-855-686-6927.

 

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koolwoman
01:32 AM on 03/09/2012
I am so glad that the majority of Israeli citizens agree with most americans, who do not want another war. Mr' Netanyahu wants a war in order to divert attentiom from his illegal settlements. Friends and neighbors in Israel, pleas vote him out ASAP
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
12:22 PM on 03/02/2012
"Who knew?"

I knew. Anyone who knows a lot of Israelis or who pays attention to Israeli politics and opinion pools knew.
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vcgh2000
01:09 AM on 03/03/2012
I knew too...Iran is not Iraq...They are a mountainous country on the Straits of Hormuz, potentially capable of shutting down the oil traffic out of the Persian Gulf.
Iranian atomic facilities are so widely dispersed, that even a full blown attack on Iran could only partly knock out their Nuclear program.
There is a growing segment of the population of Israel who reject the hawks in their government and want to achieve peace with their neighbors. Willing to make concessions for a lasting peace.
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pittelli
11:42 AM on 03/02/2012
I suspect the only thing that Bibi and Obama disagree on is when they will strike Iran. The fix is in, although it's possible that the current sabre rattling by Israel is an attempt to get Iran to believe that an attack from Israel is inevitable and thus make the first strike. Then it will be a lot easier for Israel to pretend that they are just defending themselves and need help from the U.S. to do so.
02:54 PM on 03/09/2012
Unfortunately, I think you are right, as you say, "the fix is in", and there's not a damn thing anyone can do to stop it.
09:51 AM on 03/02/2012
I think that whole issue of who trusts who to do what, and what polls show, is just a matter of ask the right question on you get the right answer. Which means if you also asked those people if they trust Netanyahu to go ahead with a first strike if his intelligence services advise him to do so, then they'll also go along with him in that situation. At the same time, it's also an election year in the U.S. and at that point this summer ahead of election, anyone who trusts Netanyahu about first strikes in Iran will go along with him using the election situation in the U.S. to play the card of using Republicans against Democrats and pressuring Obama that way since he hasn't succeeded directly. So what would happen is that Netanyahu's allies in the Republican party will posture as being "more pro-Israeli than you" and that way force Obama to go along with Israeli military attacks. I still hope Obama will still not lift one finger to supply the least tactical support to Israel and certainly not involve American military to the least degree. Total waste of time and life. You want to make war and aggression because you believe it's "right"? Then go do it on your own.
12:36 PM on 03/02/2012
Unfortunately he delivered bunker buster bombs already. The entire world knows that we are lapdogs to the Israelis, so if there is an attack, they will also come after us.
02:35 PM on 03/02/2012
They want more than just bunker buster bombs and that's why Netanyahu is coming here again - to put the squeeze on for more arms and probably commitments on direct military collaboration. I'm not sure who you're saying will come after us, the Iranians don't have the long-range intercontinental delivery systems to send a-bombs thisaway. But the Israelis if they got angry and paranoid enough? Who knows. They keep their own actual bomb arsenal Top Secret.
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robertstone1robert
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09:23 AM on 03/02/2012
This guy masquerades as a foreign policy expert? Whatever institute he belongs to (not an insane asylum, we hope) must be a haven for the radical left wing.
Unless his brains are secreted where the sun doesn't shine, he must know that the Israelis yearn for peace. If not bothered they don't bother anybody. If left alone they leave you alone. They have not sought to exploit the mess in Syria. Almost 70 yrs. under the gun takes its toll. They hope the sanctions work but they are under no illusions.
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koolwoman
01:44 AM on 03/09/2012
Oh sure they want peace-that is if the Palestinians give up everything. If they want peace, stop building settlements in Palestinian territories. and get rid of Mr Netanyahu , the hawk, if you want peace, and don't try to drag us into it. We've had enough war to last a hundred years.
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robertstone1robert
My micro bio is too big.
10:36 AM on 03/09/2012
You're simply ignorant of the facts. There is a book by an American author, named Mark Twain (of "Tom Sawyer" fame), "Innocents Abroad." Read it. You'll get an idea of the barrenness and desolation of the land. The Arab showed no interest in it until the Jews came and made it bloom, the the extent they called the Jews "Palestinians" and referred to themselves as "Southern Syrians."
Now I've got to ask you a question. Which country in history, bar none, would allow itself to be bombed by rockets and missiles relentlessly and not destroy the attacker utterly? You're ready for the answer? Israel.
I certainly wouldn't be as patient with an enemy that vows to kill me, and acts on it.
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robertstone1robert
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11:06 AM on 03/09/2012
I would be simply remiss if I didn't point out obvious facts. We lost over 200 troops in Lebanon and we lost soldiers in Kuwait. Israel has steadfastly refused to have one American soldier on its soil.
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gutenmorgen
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09:11 AM on 03/02/2012
World-wide regime-change (= change of system of governance by outside force/interference) by Western nations began in the early 16th century with colonialism and has never shed that nature even today. It was reinforced at the Paris peace conference after WW1 by the arrogance of the three great powers who enacted a wholesale semi-colonialist regime change in the defeated Ottoman empire. The record of regime-change after WW2 has been only successful in the former Axis countries and the former communist states of Eastern Europe which were stabilized by the EU. Outside Europe the attempts have been overwhelmingly dismal. At least three defeats: Cuba (Bay of Pigs), Iran (Shah), and Chile. The governance of the new states on the periphery of the former Soviet Union: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, White Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan stink. Iraq and Libya teeter on the brink of failure. Given this dismal record it is totally irresponsible of this duo to expect the results in Iran and Syria to be any different if regime change will be enforced there by them.
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Robert Frank
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08:53 AM on 03/02/2012
think about this: if Israel is foolish enough to attack Iran then they will play right into the hands of the Iranians and deserve everything bad that happens to them as a result...the Iranians will then be in the right being the one attacked and can then defend themselves against Israeli aggression and as much as I hate their religious govt I will cheer for the Iranians over the Israelis simply because of the Israelis aggression
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gutenmorgen
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09:12 AM on 03/02/2012
Even talking openly about attacking helps the theocratic government of Iran.
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anton123
12:17 PM on 03/02/2012
Did you notice that when Israel actually attacked - like in Iraq fo example - they never talked openly about it prior to the attack.
All these talks are part of scare tactics. Just to add pressure on Iranian "leadership.
The main "attack vector" is economical sanctions and they already working well.
12:38 PM on 03/02/2012
Yes it does and it hurts the common people of Iran. They are of course vilified as supporting this regime the same way all Americans were considered dumb because Bush was voted in twice. They will rally around this regime if attacked as any other proud people would
10:21 AM on 03/02/2012
good one. international security should be the job of the United Nations, not of Isreal. It is the United Nations, all its Members, is obligate to respond to such intention of violation of international law. Isreal should not create any enemy for its entire future, and should never in its own god of fortress,its militarily might. Isreal should be a peace maker, not a warrior at all. Leave this task to the US and its allies, specially to the International Security Council of the United Nations. It is its job to enforce its international law.
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Paperless Tiger
08:12 AM on 03/02/2012
Netanyahu's government is part of a political swing to the right that works well with heavy handed western military intervention in the MENA region. However, with the western nations financially exhausted from the effort, it will probably be necessary for Israel to adjust it's foreign policy to a less confrontational and more strictly defensive posture. Militarily this would seem to be a stable position, although there are some pressing resource issues, oil for the refineries and, even more crucial, water.
06:44 AM on 03/02/2012
Bibi has a rotten domestic track record . . they know what he is . . .
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wowme
It was worth it.
02:52 AM on 03/02/2012
BiBi is pathetic. if they heard of Ron Paul, he would even top Obama.
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white mende man
Ask me if I care about your prejudice
06:31 AM on 03/02/2012
oh they have heard of Ron Paul, Americans too have heard of Ron Paul, that is why They prefer President Obama.
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Json
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09:11 AM on 03/02/2012
LOL
They asked that exact question on the poll and if Paul is the GOP nominee, they would prefer Obama 32% to 21% for Paul.
(Although for some reason when you add up all the responses to that question, you only get 67%, so I'm not sure how much we can trust any of the info they present.)
02:22 AM on 03/02/2012
I'm Israeli and agree with the author's assessment. A preemptive strike against Iran is not in our best interests. Containment IS the way to go. But it would be helpful if Iran would drop its unrelenting hostility of over 30 years, recognise Israel and start actually TALKING with us. That would lower tensions dramatically and help save lives.
Isn't peace worth that?
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white mende man
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06:36 AM on 03/02/2012
peace is worth any price, even at the price of giving the Palestinians a fair and just homeland that they could call their own and be seen as equals. (I'm not looking for an argument about who wants peace and who doesn't all I'm saying is that it takes a lot of sacrifice to derive at true lasting peace). Most of the conflicts in the Middle East is derived from the Israel/Palestine issue some legitimate while others use it as a means to further their own ambitions.
06:44 AM on 03/02/2012
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07:06 AM on 03/02/2012
Actually, most modern conflicts in the Middle East date from the end of the First World War and the dismemberment of the old Ottoman Empire by Britain and France. Remove the Israel/Palestine issue, and you'll find they have plenty of "reasons" for repression and fighting regardless.
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Skepticat
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08:28 AM on 03/02/2012
Yep it would certainly help - but like most not popular at home dictatorships the Mullahs need a foreign threat to distract folks from their governments many shortcomings - and so unfortunately do NeoCon governments in more or less democratic countries be they in the USA, Israel or in my country Canada (where they are now branding environmentalists as foreign subversives.) Unfortunately too many politicians seem to make successful careers out of creating or perpetuating foreign enemies - and don't really want reduced tensions all that much. Perhaps things would be more peaceful if us ordinary folk recognized the pattern and elected new people.
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koolwoman
01:52 AM on 03/09/2012
Very good observation.
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help4mac
12:43 AM on 03/02/2012
Ha ha. You can believe the self-serving poll if you like or you can open your eyes and see that the Israeli government was elected by the Israeli voters and all things considered has been very stable for the last three years.
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Matthew Tesfai
Law school student
06:25 AM on 03/02/2012
You should open your eyes and see that just because a government has been elected by the people does not mean it will serve the interests of the people. This is true here as it is in Israel.
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white mende man
Ask me if I care about your prejudice
06:38 AM on 03/02/2012
Yeh and Bush was "Elected" twice, scare the people enough and they will vote for you.
11:31 PM on 03/01/2012
Nice article Mr.Naiman,also it is realistic that a good number of educated Israelis may agree to go back to a Secular Palestine where 3 major religions can co-exist.
03:34 AM on 03/02/2012
you never been to Israel, have you?
"a good number" is also 10? how many votes did they have in the last elections?

secular states in the ME- Lebanon, Syria, Irak. just the places where "major religions can co-exist".
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charleshbuchannan
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11:05 PM on 03/01/2012
Hint: the structure of the Israeli parliament works against peace.

There are 120 seats. And a party needs 1/120th of the vote to gain a seat.

Their parliament is rotten with tiny whacked religious parties that exert way too much influence.

The population is vastly more reasonable than is the parliment.
03:36 AM on 03/02/2012
well... if you have small parties how that not reflecting the public?

is it possible that you talk from your heart rather then from reallity?
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charleshbuchannan
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11:35 AM on 03/02/2012
There has not been a single party govt in Israel ever, to my knowledge. Go take a Poli Sci course if this is all obscure to you.
10:49 PM on 03/01/2012
So what Naiman is saying is that the people of Israel and America, do not agree with their respective people ..!!!
In a democracy, are not the Governments supposed to reflect the will of the people ?... and dont the two above mentioned nations never stop bragging about what great democracies they are?
01:54 AM on 03/02/2012
This is a Republic; where the rule of law takes precedence over the mob.
jhNY
Mercy.
12:05 PM on 03/02/2012
unless it's a mob of capitalists.