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A Contrarian Optimist Views the Upcoming Iran Nuclear Talks

Posted: 04/10/2012 5:49 pm

When President Obama nominated global health superhero Dr. Jim Young Kim to lead the World Bank, Harvard development economist Dani Rodrik remarked, "It's nice to see that Obama can still surprise us."

Is it possible that Obama could pleasantly surprise us in the upcoming talks with Iran over its nuclear program? Much of the media coverage would have you think otherwise.

Nonetheless, there are actually quite a few positive signs that we can point to:

1. There have been no reported major explosions in Iran or assassinations of Iranian scientists recently, as have seemed to occur in the run-up to previous talks. This could be a sign that U.S. pressure on Israel and the Iranian MEK terrorist group is working to keep things quiet on that front. There is some evidence that this might be the case.

2. No-one appears to be talking about Israel much at all. Israeli officials appear to be keeping a relatively low profile, and Israeli Defense Minister Barak recently put forward a proposed list of Western demands that is at least on the planet of plausibility -- in particular, Barak made no demand that Iran cease enriching uranium.

3. Thanks in no small part to the leadership of Senate Majority Leader Reid, Congress has also been relatively quiet. And this week Congress is out of session.

4. No-one is talking about pre-conditions for the talks, except for an expectation that the talks be serious.

5. Nobody is talking about lifting all Western sanctions on Iran. Just as ending all uranium enrichment in Iran is a non-starter for Iran, so ending all Western sanctions on Iran is a non-starter for the West. The horizon that we can see right now is an intermediate deal that addresses the most pressing concerns on each side. Since an interim deal is not going to address all the concerns of one side, it's not going to address all the concerns of the other side.

The impending tightening of the oil sanctions is widely perceived as a real threat to Iran (as well as to the world economy.) Just as Iran has proved that it is willing to endure significant pain in the form of sanctions to keep its nuclear program, so the West has proved that it's willing to endure pain in the form of significantly higher oil prices in order to increase pressure on Iran. Regardless of whether arriving to this point was the result of the wisest possible course, at least we can now say that each side has had the opportunity to publicly stick its hand into the fire.

6. None of the demands that the U.S. has put forward ahead of the talks would represent humiliations for Iran, with the arguable exception of the last-minute demand to close the Fordow enrichment facility, which I explore further below. In particular, the demand that Iran cease all enrichment of uranium has largely disappeared from view. The U.S. has signaled ahead of the talks that its dealbreaker bottom line is that Iran stop adding to its stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium, on the grounds that 20 percent is too close to nuclear weapons grade, and thus the further accumulation of a stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium makes the gap between Iran and the immediate ability to produce a nuclear weapon too small for comfort. This is a plausible concern not just from a nonproliferation of nuclear weapons point of view, but also from a nonproliferation of conventional warfare point of view.

For better and for worse, the U.S. has clearly put out that a decision by Iran to produce a nuclear weapon is the U.S. "red line" -- that is, an evidenced-based U.S. belief that Iran had made such a decision would trigger the U.S. use of military force. On the downside: this threat is a flagrant violation of the UN Charter; nothing in international law gives the U.S. the unilateral right to use or threaten force against Iran if Iran were to decide to produce a nuclear weapon; furthermore, laying down the explicit threat could have the effect of locking the U.S. into using military force if Iran clearly made such a decision. On the upside: if this is the underlying U.S. policy, it's far better for everyone to know this in advance; it's a million times better than having a fuzzy -- and much closer -- "red line" like "nuclear weapons capability" as Sens. Lieberman, Graham, and McCain would like; and the Iranians have said clearly and repeatedly that they have no intention of trying to produce a nuclear weapon ever, therefore so long as these remain the bottom line U.S. and Iranian positions, then we can have peace between the U.S. and Iran forever. Given that a decision by Iran to produce a nuclear weapon is the U.S. red line, it's in the broad interests of humanity to have a big grassy field that everyone can see between Iran and the immediate ability to produce a nuclear weapon.

Of course, there are a lot of big grassy fields that one can imagine. The UN Security Council could issue a fatwa that from now on, no-one in Iran is allowed to study physics. But big grassy fields that can't be achieved don't do us any good. The consensus of reasonable expert opinion is that barring Iran from enriching uranium is a big grassy field that cannot realistically be achieved. But an Iranian agreement to cease enrichment of uranium to 20 percent and/or to address concerns about its 20 percent stockpile -- that is a different story.

7. What's the ultimate evidence that the demand to stop stockpiling 20 percent enriched uranium is plausible? Iranian officials have clearly indicated that they agree that it is a plausible thing to talk about. The Washington Post reports:

In a signal that Iran is willing to negotiate over its stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium, the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Fereydoon Abbasi, said Sunday that his country was considering a stop to the activity and [lowering] the enrichment levels.

"We do not produce more 20 percent fuel than we need," Abbasi told the Iranian Students' News Agency. He said it was easy to change the centrifuges now enriching uranium up to 20 percent and use them for making nuclear fuel up to 3.5 percent enriched. "Our systems are capable of making this change," Abbasi said.

AP reports:

Abbasi said production of uranium enriched up to 20 percent is not part of the nation's long-term program -- beyond amounts needed for its research reactor in Tehran -- and insisted that Iran "doesn't need" to enrich beyond the 20 percent levels.

"The job is being carried out based on need," he said. "When the need is met, we will decrease production and it is even possible to completely reverse to only 3.5 percent" enrichment levels.

None of this guarantees that there will be a deal. But at least on the core U.S. demand, U.S. and Iranian officials are playing on the same ballfield.

8. Now, what about that last-minute demand that Iran shut down and eventually dismantle its underground enrichment facility at Fordow? Stephen Walt finds the demand alarming and questions whether it means that the U.S. isn't serious about a negotiated solution. Walt's concern is sensible, but here is the contrarian optimist view.

a. As the New York Times notes, "opening bids in international negotiations are often designed to set a high bar." If the talks fail, the U.S. can say it took a hard line. If the Iranians agree to a reasonable deal that addresses the 20 percent enrichment and stockpiling issues, the Fordow demand can be deferred indefinitely. Indeed, if the U.S. drops the Fordow demand in the context of a deal, this could help Iranian officials sell the deal to the Iranian public. "See," they can say, "we gave up 20 percent enrichment, but we stood firm against the running dog imperialists when they demanded that we close Fordow."

b. The question of Fordow is deeply entangled with the 20 percent enrichment issue. A significant component of why Fordow is considered provocative by the West is because 20 percent enrichment is happening there. If 20 percent enrichment stops and/or Iran agrees to a reasonable deal to address the issue of its 20 percent enrichment stockpile, then Fordow is less of an issue.

c. The question of Fordow is also deeply entangled with the threat of an Israeli or U.S. military strike. The Israelis find Fordow particularly annoying because it would be especially hard for Israel to bomb it.

On the one hand, it's easy to see why the Iranians would see the expression of this concern in negotiations to be quite annoying. There is no international law or agreement that says you have to make your nuclear facilities available for easy bombing (indeed, even the threat to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities is a flagrant violation of the UN Charter.)

On the other hand, at the end of the day, all these issues are entangled; tunnels aren't the only way, and at the end of the day they are not the best way, for Iran to deter an Israeli or U.S. strike. There are four reasons for Iran to have a nuclear program, stated and not-so-stated: energy, medical isotopes, national prestige, and deterring a U.S. or Israeli attack. At the end of the day, all four of these Iranian national goals can be achieved without the operation of the facility at Fordow; and in the context of a deal that addresses the other pressing concerns of both sides, Fordow will be less of an issue to both sides.

In particular, a perverse benefit of all the warmongering against Iran is that every time U.S. officials counter the warmongering by saying that a military strike against Iran would be counterproductive because it would drive the Iranians towards nuclear weaponization, it underscores the fact that Iran derives important national security benefits from enrichment without ever needing to crack a textbook on weaponization, nor enrich to 20 percent, nor build a deeper tunnel. If I'm an official in Iran's enrichment program, every time a U.S. official says that a military strike on Iran's nuclear program would be counterproductive to U.S. interests, I get a little bit more convinced that I'm never going to need to try to build a nuclear weapon to protect my country from military attack.

 

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When President Obama nominated global health superhero Dr. Jim Young Kim to lead the World Bank, Harvard development economist Dani Rodrik remarked, "It's nice to see that Obama can still surprise us.
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GHarry
Kitty wrangler
07:38 AM on 04/12/2012
Naiman's optimism is commendable, but nobody playing this political game is really serious about ending this phony "crisis" any time soon. It's much too valuable politically to the West and to Iran. Why derail the gravy train? That's why the weird demands and counter-demands go on from one series of talks to another, year after year. The West's supposedly harsh sanctions against Iran apparently are inconveniencing only the Iranian people and motorists around the world. I suspect they also are leading to the creation of an entirely different global economic system involving Iran, Russia, China, India, Brazil and some other nations --- which might be the best thing to come out of this situation. If the extremist regime in Iran didn't exist, the Western military-industrial complex would be obliged to invent it, or find one somewhere else to serve as the Evil Empire to justify our ridiculously high military budgets. Just think: If Iran overnight became a peaceful and moderate nation, that would throw Wall Street into a crisis. How would we justify our trillion-dollar defense budget? China and Russia stubbornly refuse to be drawn into playing the Evil Empire role.
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CornetMustich
11:52 AM on 04/11/2012
The Israeli-Jews have nukes, without letting in inspectors, so what are they kvetching about??
Cheers, Joe Mustich, CT USA
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LIbislife
01:03 PM on 04/11/2012
They are kvetching about a country, that continuously threatens to wipe them off the earth, obtaining a weapon that would give them the means to follow through.

cheers back!
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Hass
02:58 PM on 04/11/2012
The only people who are actually being "wiped off the map" are the Palestinians at the hands of the Israelis.
11:35 AM on 04/11/2012
. "The UN Security Council could issue a fatwa"- Robert, you have really been somewhat removed from the real world haven't you? , I got some big news for you, Only Mullahs with long beards, living in the Middle East can issue a fatwa.
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Gui Montag
Former Palestinian Supporter
10:08 AM on 04/11/2012
Robert Naiman is a proud Hamas supporter. I'm curious how much of this was dictated for him by a speechwriter in Tehran.
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
09:59 AM on 04/11/2012
>>>"Israeli Defense Minister Barak recently put forward a proposed list of Western demands that is at least on the planet of plausibility -- in particular, Barak made no demand that Iran cease enriching uranium."

Now from the world of wishful thinking or deliberate distortions to the REAL world. Here's what Barak ACTUALLY said:
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Barak revealed what Israel’s goals are for the talks: 1) transfer of all uranium enriched to 20 percent – approximately 120 kg. – out of Iran to a third party country; 2) the transfer of the majority of the 5 tons of uranium enriched to 3.5% out of Iran, leaving just enough needed for energy purposes; 3) the closure of the Fordow enrichment facility, buried under a mountain near the city of Qom; 4) the transfer of fuel rods from a third party country to Iran for the purpose of activating the Tehran Research Reactor [...]
As a result, Barak said, it was unlikely that Iran would agree to suspend all of its enrichment activities and forfeit its uranium due to the current sanctions, no matter how effective they are.
“I do however look forward to being surprised if the talks with Iran succeed,” he said.
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RobertNaiman
Policy Director at Just Foreign Policy
10:09 AM on 04/11/2012
Right, so exactly as I said, *even Barak* is not demanding that Iran stop enriching uranium. *Even Barak* is conceding that the demand that Iran stop enriching uranium is not realistic.

Let's put it another way: if all of the self-proclaimed "pro-Israel" voices in Washington would be as realistic as Barak, it would be a huge advance in world history.
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Fighting rants with facts
10:21 AM on 04/11/2012
I think you have a severe reading comprehension problem. NOT ONLY does Barak demand that the mullah's regime stops enriching uranium above 3.5% (which is what the whole outcry is about); he demands that the mullahs relinquish the uranium they have already enriched.
01:51 AM on 04/11/2012
Sensible article. Let cool heads prevail in these negotiations. If Iran does not need the bomb as a deterence but can get away with the impression that they are capable of creating one that would in essence level the playing field. Israel maight not be happy about it but some Iranians most likely will not agree with it either. In the end it seems the best solution for every side.
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Cory Gudwin
examine thyself before blaming the system
02:29 PM on 04/11/2012
Israel has stated it will not tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran.
Israel has ended three other nuclear programs via military force.
None of those programs has ever been rebuilt.
If Iran gives the Israelis the impression Iran can create a nuclear weapon, there will be a war.
For this situation, opinions beyond those of Israel do not really matter.
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Hass
03:00 PM on 04/11/2012
Actually, the Israeli bombing of Iraq's reactor at Osirak ENCOURAGED Saddam to make nukes.
GHarry
Kitty wrangler
07:23 AM on 04/12/2012
Israel doesn't have the capability to stop Iran's nuclear program except by using nuclear weapons, which would be catastrophic and probably would result in nuclear retaliation, either from Iran or someone else. And the U.S. won't do it for the same reasons. The entire "crisis" is a political game that benefits all sides involved, so it will go on indefinitely.
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Fireslayer
01:01 AM on 04/11/2012
Glad there is beginning to be some reality, evidence based discussion on this issue. The red herring of Iran producing and lobbing nukes at a world that has more than enough nukes aimed at them as we speak to turn Old Persia into a glass parking lot is finally starting to have a noxious odor.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
02:55 AM on 04/11/2012
fireslayer - if you are ocrrect, then please explain why iran bother to hide its nuclear facitlites 100 feet underground?....................... or not letting the UN inspect their facilites? or why do they enrich Uranium when the West offered them plenty of rods for peacefull uses?
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RobertNaiman
Policy Director at Just Foreign Policy
08:48 AM on 04/11/2012
- A plausible explanation for Iran putting its facilities underground is that Israel and the U.S. have threatened to bomb them.
- They have let the UN inspect their facilities; in particular, Fordow is under IAEA inspection.
- They say they enrich uranium because they don't trust the West to guarantee supply, and in the current context - when the West is trying to embargo even their oil exports - that is a plausible claim. However, it is plausible that there could be a deal on 20% enrichment.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
12:35 AM on 04/11/2012
Mr Naiman your naiveté brings to mind Barnum’s famous line -- every second a sucker is born... Of course the talks will be productive, they will give the Iranians an extra six month to proceed inhibited with their nuclear development program….Not different then the other dozen talks they participated so far…. Yeah keep believing in fairies and angels….
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RobertNaiman
Policy Director at Just Foreign Policy
08:39 AM on 04/11/2012
Apparently "Barnum's line" isn't famous enough for you to remember it properly: "There's a sucker born every minute." But it's far from clear that the line is actually Barnum's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute
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Fighting rants with facts
10:17 AM on 04/11/2012
A comment that exemplifies either the desire to avoid the argument or (more likely) the inability to refute it.

The FACT is that the mullahs' regime is interested in lengthy "negotiations" while the centrifuges keep spinning. The West's first (and ultimative) demand should be a complete freeze of the enrichment program while negotiations are taking place. If the mullahs refuse, that's clear evidence that the negotiations are nothing but a stalling ploy.
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LIbislife
11:54 AM on 04/11/2012
way to dodge his point. Iran is just stalling for time,
11:07 PM on 04/10/2012
We'll see if you're right.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
08:48 PM on 04/10/2012
While the meme that 20% enriched uranium is 'dangerously close to weapons grade, or at least in a seperate class than the 3.5% enriched fuel for the Iranian electrical reactors, has been heavily promoted, so too was the meme that Iraq had WMD missiles 'minutes away from launch', so I did a little digging. Turns out that the people with knowledge and a need to be accurate about what they say paint a rather different picture. When America's nuclear scientists, the folks at Livermore, Los Alomos, and Oak Ridge, were looking at the subject, they called 20% enriched uranium 'non-weapons useful', said that there should be no more concern and safeguards when it came to 20% than there should be over 3.5%, and even dropped a hint that while it would be theoretically possible to run the 20% enriched through the same process that got it from raw to 3.5% to 20% until it got to the level of enrichment needed for a weapon, doing so would still not produce material that could actually be used to make a bomb, due to the unmanagebly high radiation from naturally occuring contaminants that would also be concentrated (it also hints that the weapons program overcame that problem with a seperate process, something that would show the existence of a weapons program)
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RobertNaiman
Policy Director at Just Foreign Policy
10:20 PM on 04/10/2012
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, though, if you and I say that 20% enrichment is fine, or if we say the opposite. Yes, it's true that Iran could enrich to 20%, and that could be under inspection - as it is now - and life could go on. But the more important point is that in order to defuse the tension, there must be an agreement. There is scope for an agreement on 20% enrichment - as indicated by the remarks of Iranian officials - so it makes sense to focus there in the search for an agreement, regardless of whether you or I think that 20% enrichment is ok in some other context.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
12:41 AM on 04/11/2012
M. Naiman - for peaceful uses a 5-8% enriched Uranium is plenty good for 99% of applications, anything above it is most likely for weapon..... Also, how can you explain the expense and trouble that the Iranians went through to place their facilities 100 feet underground, or developing long range missiles...... Most likely to quickly deliver their newly developed medical isotopes to patients around the world…LMAO
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
01:42 AM on 04/11/2012
Oh, I agree that Iran is proposing a very reasonable plan for easing America's paranoia on this issue, I'm just trying to make clear how disconnected from reality that paranoia is so that if the US does not accept this rational plan (like you, I hope it does, but the realist in me sees a low probability of that happening) it will be just a miniscule fraction harder for the meme that it is Iran's fault to gain traction.
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
10:34 AM on 04/11/2012
Not true.

They called uranium