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Fact vs. Fiction on Debate Night

Posted: 10/03/2012 8:48 pm

So, the first 2012 Presidential debate starts in a few minutes. I'm fairly sure Mitt Romney thinks he has an ace in the hole by using the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline against President Obama. In fact, he and his running mate Paul Ryan have said they'll approve it on day one of their administration.

I think you might hear Romney repeat that during the debate and back it up with statements not even remotely based in fact.

So let's take a quick look at what he might say and what are the actual facts:

Romney will tell you that there's no good reason to block this proposal. The fact is that this proposal would mean opening the spigot for 900,000 barrels of the world's dirtiest oil to flow through sensitive sections of America's breadbasket to the Gulf for export to foreign countries. It's that simple.

Romney will make this sound like the biggest best jobs plan American has to offer its citizens. He'll tell you it will create tens of thousands of jobs, 20,000 to be exact, as he's been saying on the campaign trail.

The truth is, it creates a negligible amount of temporary jobs with some analysis saying overall it's a wash. But even it you take the most optimistic projection from the U.S. State Dept. it'll only be 5-6,000 jobs, with a mix being temporary.

The fact is, there are many, many more jobs being created today in the clean energy sector, one of the fastest growing sectors in our economy.

Romney will tell you we need to keep the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline in America so Canada won't take it to China. The truth is, Canada doesn't have a public agreement to sell tar sands oil to China at all. This is because it lacks a way to transfer the oil to a port for export. That's right, this is about American communities taking all the risk so that Canada can get the majority of its dirty tar sands energy to China and other foreign lands. It won't stay in America, as Romney might tell you tonight.

Let's remember that everything Romney might say tonight about the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will most likely point to his thinking there is no risk involved, that it's a no brainer. This is in sharp contrast to President Obama who has said that the health and safety of the American people as well as the environment merits seeking additional information about this proposal.

And while Romney has said repeatedly he will single-handedly approve this proposal on the first day he takes office, President Obama has said, "The final decision should be guided by an open, transparent process that is informed by the best available science and the voices of the American people."

So buckle up and we should all listen very carefully.

 
 
 
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So, the first 2012 Presidential debate starts in a few minutes. I'm fairly sure Mitt Romney thinks he has an ace in the hole by using the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline against President Obama. In fa...
So, the first 2012 Presidential debate starts in a few minutes. I'm fairly sure Mitt Romney thinks he has an ace in the hole by using the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline against President Obama. In fa...
 
 
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11:13 PM on 10/07/2012
In a campaign speech the other day, Romney was talking about energy security for this country, then he quickly corrected himself and said "North American" energy security. He must be running for PM too.
11:07 PM on 10/07/2012
Thank you for your through debunking of Romney's lie and distortion about the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. Why weren't you on the Sunday morning talk shows? The Sunday morning pundits were more concern with performance than substance. The focus was on Obama’s poor performance during the debate; not on the real economic policies that are ushering in economic recovery. Romney is a lazy liar and his distortions are easily refuted. Lying is part of the Romney’s grand plan for getting elected. Pundits should make it harder to push untruths. Pundits should not be complicit; they should put enough of a downside in lying to cause the Romney to pull back from lying; rather than focus on his performance. To be sure, pundits should comment on performance, but they should not obsess on it at the expense of substance. The American press is hungry for sensational story lines and Romney performance over his truthfulness feed the beast! At the end of the day, the Sunday morning narrative was about how Obama was not able to refute lies and distortions of Romney in a timely fashion with zingers!

I'm sorry that no one booked you for their show.
conservo
Tea Partier, Atheist, Libertarian, Objectivist
11:05 PM on 10/07/2012
Hey, Robbie baby, now that the debate is finally over we see what happened was that the master (Romney) gave the student an economics lesson. Time for a change.
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missouriwatcher
military veteran, veteran teacher, father, grandpa
10:55 PM on 10/07/2012
This Keystone XL pipeline is a lose-lose for the U.S., and a win-win for the Canadian company owning it.  Besides putting farmland, range land and rivers in danger of spills, it is also a threat against the country's largest fresh water aquifer, the Ogallala which provides irrigation for farms, ranches and drinking water for pretty much everyone and everything living on the Great Plains.
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AcademicFreedom
Often banned; always factual
10:00 PM on 10/07/2012
Gimme a ranch in Utah and a couple of million and I'll jump on the side of no pipeline.
April22
Some experiences in life are ineffable
09:57 PM on 10/07/2012
Far too many American are uninformed about tar sands oil in regard to its extraction and burning as an environmental hazard.

Even for those who promise more oil and jobs for Americans, they, too, will not benefit in the long run.

They're just too blinded by the possibilities of mo' money to realize what they are advocating for themselves and their progeny.
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MuseScavenger
Yeah, my micro-bio is so what
09:26 PM on 10/07/2012
The other 14 to 15 Thousands will be created by the clean-up effort required when the Keystone pipeline ruptures over the Ogalala Aquifer and poisons the water for over half of America forever.
09:09 PM on 10/07/2012
Why don't we charge Canada a fee for each barrel of oil transported in the pipeline? If we don't use a pipeline, how will the oil be transported? Will it be any safer? Solar energy is not a substitute for petro or carbon based energy. Electric cars use coal, oil, nuclear and natural gas to charge up. Ethanol wastes as much energy as it creates, plus it occupies farmland that can be used for food production.
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mario59
KSU 05/04/70 RIP never ever forget
08:43 PM on 10/07/2012
And remember, Romney was very careful to say NORTH AMERICA had the potential to be energy "independent" which of course, is highly questionable considering oil is sold on private global markets. What his North America meant to me was he already has reworked America into a "NAFTA-defined economic zone" and I don't believe for a moment that he's all that loyal to "America" as we know it.
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Mr Bile
I'm going for a snake/ninja approach. With hissing
07:50 PM on 10/07/2012
"This is in sharp contrast to President Obama who has said that the health and safety of the American people as well as the environment merits seeking additional information about this proposal."

Yeah, but what you and much of the rest of the media hasn't told people is that Obama ALREADY approved the Keystone Pipeline project and its winding its way through the country as we speak -- Albeit in limited areas where if it's deemed "less risky" if a spill occurs! Daryl Hanna got herself arrested over this recently, where she tried to stop it.

That's why I'm voting for NEITHER of these rotten leaders. .
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Mr Bile
I'm going for a snake/ninja approach. With hissing
07:45 PM on 10/07/2012
It's amazing that Romney's numbers went up after that debate. After offering style over substance, arrogance over decorum. This can only happen because many people are willfully ignorant, and in effect, *born losers*. That's the only reason Bush got in - twice. Few who voted for him would even admit it now, let alone be proud of it and defend his record. Well, they're about to screw us again and do the same with Romney. Here's one of the things they are ignorant of:

"Before the cheering starts, however, it might be a good idea to take a look over at the Kalamazoo River system in Michigan, where the aftereffects of a spill from another Canadian pipeline are still surfacing well over two years later. In a curious twist of timing, on the eve of the debate, the U.S. EPA announced that it had detected more evidence of submerged oil in parts of the river system and it has ordered the owner of that pipeline, Enbridge, to conduct additional new cleanup efforts." - Clean Technica (http://s.tt/1pbwr)
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Smithn
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07:39 PM on 10/07/2012
"God, I can push the grass apart and lay my finger on Thy heart."

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mrrgl
Brevity is the soul of wit.
07:33 PM on 10/07/2012
To Republicans profit trumps everything else.

Damn the EPA.

Damn the environment.

Damn science.

Sacrifice all.... at the altar of profit.
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weslenforever
64 yr old educated grandma
07:08 PM on 10/07/2012
Mr. Redford is spot on in this article. I watched every one of the hearings Congress held on this subject with the people who are planning to build it and they said the very same things that are stated here. Nearly all the jobs that will come with the pipeline are going to be done by Canadians who already have those jobs with only a very few Americans being involved. Congress continues to ignore the truth because, I believe, every one of them who are advocating so strongly for this, no matter the cost to our environment and the health of our people, are heavily invested in that pipeline or in the campaign donations coming from the CEOs of the companies involved, which also includes BP. We all know the love affair Congressional Republicans have going with BP, or should, after the crying they did about "poor little bp execs" and their being "forced' to cover a miniscule amount of the damages they caused to several states in the gulf. They even went so far as to rewrite laws to prevent oil companies from being held accountable no matter how they cut corners and skipped safety rules in the past and free from any future accountability, even for deaths.
11:10 PM on 10/07/2012
I agree. This is why I wish that he had been on some of these Sunday Morning talks shows. The panels should have consisted of people who could explained and/or refuted Romney's lies and distortions; rather than pundits obsessing on performance.
CactusTom
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06:58 PM on 10/07/2012
Energy is a great issue for Republicans because Americans think that fossil energy found in America stays in America to help make us energy independent. NOT SO. Oil is not a local market. The second oil is recovered it goes to the highest bidder on the world market, whether or not it's found in Texas or the Middle East. Drill baby drill is ridiculous, but makes for a great political slogan.
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mario59
KSU 05/04/70 RIP never ever forget
08:45 PM on 10/07/2012
So true already with gas fracking. Most of the gas is going to South America and we are just the plundered 3rd world country that has the resources to be exploited.
09:14 PM on 10/07/2012
While crude oil products such as gasoline and diesel can be exported from the United States, the Mineral Leasing Act of 1920 and the Outer Continental Shelf Leasing Act requires a presidential waiver for the sale of most unrefined crude oil abroad, essentially banning exports.
Further the US is a net importer of crude and refined products to the tune of 8 Million a barrels a day. Crudes from different locations are considerably different, few refineries can process the Canadian crude, the bulk of those that can are located on the gulf coast. The canadian crude will back out similar crudes from mexico and venezuella, driving the cost down. Transportation adds 5 to 10 dollars a barrel of cost sending oil from the us gulf coast to china, does not make good business sense. So, like natural gas prices which are at historic lows, more oil production in the US will lower the price we pay at the pump.
CactusTom
My New Novel
03:51 PM on 10/08/2012
Not so. There have been months recently when the US was a net exporter of oil.