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Why Biden Won

Posted: 10/12/2012 8:26 pm

I thought Biden won last night's debate because he came off as genuine, passionate and brimming with conviction. Ryan, by contrast, seemed like a wooden marionette, a kid out of his depth relative to someone who not only knew the facts but lived them.

On taxes, Ryan couldn't come up with any details about what loopholes he and Romney would close, or how their magic arithmetic (giant tax cut for the wealthy plus $2 trillion more for the military than the joint chiefs of staff want) can possibly be paid for without socking it to the middle class.

By contrast, Biden made the case for average working people whose wages have barely risen in 30 years but who are bearing a higher total tax burden (payroll, sales, property, income) on a higher percent of their income than high rollers like Romney -- and why the well-off should do more.

On Medicare, Ryan couldn't explain why his plan wasn't a voucher program that "saved" money only by shifting the costs on to seniors who would end up holding the bag as medical costs rose. Biden effectively defended the president's plan to save Medicare by cutting excessive payments to providers.

Biden also pointed out that Ryan and his allies had tried to privatize Social Security. Score another one for Joe.

On abortion, Ryan had to admit he and Romney would work to prevent women from having the right to choose an abortion if they needed and wanted one. Biden made it clear his religious beliefs about when life began should not, in his view, force anyone who didn't share them to follow them.

I thought Biden's closing could have been tougher, drawing a sharper contrast between the Romney-Ryan "you're on your own" worldview, and the "we're in it all together" belief that has built America -- and which Obama and Biden represent.

But overall it was Biden's night. He not only trounced Ryan, but also, in the process, trounced Romney. Joe Biden is an average Joe solidly grounded in America's working middle class -- nothing pretentious or devious about him -- in contrast to the plutocrat who heads the Republican ticket, and the billionaires who are backing him.

ROBERT B. REICH, Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley, was Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration. Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the last century. He has written thirteen books, including the best sellers "Aftershock" and "The Work of Nations." His latest is an e-book, "Beyond Outrage," now available in paperback. He is also a founding editor of the American Prospect magazine and chairman of Common Cause.

 

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I thought Biden won last night's debate because he came off as genuine, passionate and brimming with conviction. Ryan, by contrast, seemed like a wooden marionette, a kid out of his depth relative to ...
I thought Biden won last night's debate because he came off as genuine, passionate and brimming with conviction. Ryan, by contrast, seemed like a wooden marionette, a kid out of his depth relative to ...
 
 
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claraluz
Per aspera ad astra!
01:03 PM on 10/16/2012
I only hope that President Obama takes some pointers from Biden's excellent performance, and stops being so civilized. Being polite gets you nowhere when you deal with ruthless liars!! It is possible to be polite if you know your opponent has integrity and sincerity, but with these jokers, it's like trying to fight in the ring wearing lace gloves.
01:52 PM on 10/15/2012
Ok folks. I was mad at the prez for not giving it back at Romney, and obviously listening to his handlers.

But look what this man has done on behalf of the middle class, and when you sit down and really think about it he is a fighter. I am sticking with him. Look at the big picture, and one debate will not cause me to collapse and run.
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Jerry Frey
unCommon sense for the common good
04:57 AM on 10/15/2012
Get over it - Biden "won" the debate through boorish behavior, an example for Obama to follow fer sure.
05:30 AM on 10/15/2012
"Boorish" behavior, or incredulousness is the only way to expose Ryan's blatant dishonesty for what it is: ridiculous pandering. Ryan/Romney have used the natural politeness of others to get away with lies. Obama's politeness and unwillingness to confront the lie directly cost him the first debate. Joe Biden wasn't going to repeat the mistake.
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Jerry Frey
unCommon sense for the common good
06:06 AM on 10/15/2012
Oh, please, you may buy that rubbish but most people do not. Obama is a dud and Biden is career pol.
http://napoleonlive.info/politics/fact-obama-not-a-leader/
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claraluz
Per aspera ad astra!
12:41 PM on 10/16/2012
OK, so Biden was "boorish" because he exposed Ryan's inexperience and lack of knowledge and understanding, but Romney's steady regurgitation of lies and sarcasm and incorrect facts and figures was "presidential", did I get this right??
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Jerry Frey
unCommon sense for the common good
05:02 PM on 10/16/2012
Inverse
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Franklin Smith
Will Manage Your Offshore Accounts For Food
02:46 AM on 10/15/2012
"...in contrast to the plutocrat who heads the Republican ticket, and the billionaires who are backing him."

Please, Robert, no need to belabor the obvious for dramatic effect.
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claraluz
Per aspera ad astra!
12:43 PM on 10/16/2012
By all means, let's not remind people of the facts, we much prefer the changeable lies from the plutocrat who tells so many he cannot keep track. LOL!
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NYs9thwonder
One Smart Cookie
12:32 AM on 10/15/2012
If people have the nerve to call Biden rude and Romney a great debater, clearly this country needs its auditory functioning skills checked.
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Phil Dearing
Now independent
11:28 PM on 10/14/2012
Your take on this was the same as mine. Ryan was exposed to the truth and it did not set him free. I also like how Joe Biden got him to admit (by his silence) that he and Mittens were going after the Home Mortgage deduction to help balance the budget. Once again on the people who can least afford it. Ryan was lame. Biden took it all.
10:43 PM on 10/14/2012
Joe Biden won? In who- a Dem's eyes? Not in mine. He was like a guy who was desperate to prove he was up to it. I think the American public was impressed with a real guy like Mr Paul- who most would feel is more like them.
I know Mr Biden is pro abortion, and being a Pro life voter who knows abortion is murder; so immoral I could never vote for him.He's a big-spender who has been in DC for 20- 30 years,also. If he's so great why is it such a mess?
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Megley
One great big festering neon distraction
09:02 AM on 10/15/2012
Mr. Biden is NOT pro-abortion, and I don't like the fact that you're pushing your values on me.
And if you're going to go after Biden for being a career politician, then you better look at the other side of the aisle.
And, if you want to be honest, this mess is a direct result of the career politicians who are in Congress. Take away their lifetime health care and the other "perks" of being an elected politician and watch how quickly stuff gets done in Congress.
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jaxsax1
10:10 PM on 10/14/2012
Ok, Biden could have cut the laughing and smirking, but still landed bunches. He can't help but smile because the dude does have a big set of teeth by golly. I was sorta getting annoyed with the laughing, but at least he also got the message out that that Ryan/Romney is lying about tax cuts, about being tax neutral, about the math, about women's rights, about darn near everything...the best line is to show the hypocrite that you can't dump on the stimulus and then have your hand out at the same time. Ryan looked like a hypocrite.
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alexeiz
Since I lost all hope, I feel much better!
08:06 PM on 10/14/2012
Ryan deserved to be exposed as "LyinRyan" and "AynRyan" by any non-violent means possible, so Biden even was way to kind to him.
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knott wrench
07:56 PM on 10/14/2012
Joe Biden and Obe Wan Kanobe!

Two Old guy's That RULE!


Obama/Biden 2012
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Andrew Coe
Founder/Co-Owner of International Brand
07:48 PM on 10/14/2012
This was a cute little write up... Unfortunately you seemed to miss the very thing that has dominated the media narrative of this debate as well as what the viewers at home saw: Biden's condescending, smug and immature behavior. Regardless of what he said the major talking point among viewers was Biden's bizarre behavior. Most people already don't remember much of what either man said but they do remember what a complete jerk Biden came across as. That alone they will take with them to the polls. Say what you will but you missed the one thing that lost the debate for Biden, himself.
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FeloniousBush
Not empty, just devoid of content.
12:12 AM on 10/15/2012
While Biden may not be the smoothest media machine, he has the one characteristic that the r's lack, the characteristic of being human. THe result of that humanity is that he is more apt to show emotion, unlike the wooden, scripted acting of the r's. The fact of the matter is that Biden handily won the debate on fact and the empathy that he established with the average voter.
ryan could only present himself as the facade that he is. What you describe as condescending is simply Biden's reaction to the big heap of nothing that ryan had to offer, the tired and worn vague promises. The same heap-o-nothing that Herbert Hoover had to offer.
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NYs9thwonder
One Smart Cookie
12:30 AM on 10/15/2012
Because when Romney does it, its remarkable and captivating, however when someone else does it, its, "condescending, smug and immature behavior".
07:45 PM on 10/14/2012
I would say Biden missed an opportunity when Ryan kept saying we are heading in the wrong direction.
The killer follow up is "In January 2009 we were headed in the wrong direction when the USA lost over 500,000 in a month. That was the wrong direction." And maybe follow up with a few of the months before that with massive job loss numbers. Then note the continuous months of job growth.
You might even point out the only job loss month was August of 2011 when GOP Congressional leaders decided to sink any budget deal within reason resulting in downgrade by Moodys.
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claraluz
Per aspera ad astra!
12:54 PM on 10/16/2012
Hey, you're trying to confuse the regressives with facts!!! They only understand brief sound bites - and slogan-based politics. Thinking requires effort.
hnnbar
Universal river of thought...
01:26 PM on 10/16/2012
LOL- You just won the Smile For The Day Award! Congratulations
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janeInCA
Made It To 2013
04:54 PM on 10/14/2012
People can say that Biden is rude but can't say that he did not live thru what he said.
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Gestas
Mountain Man
02:32 PM on 10/14/2012
Ryan was running with the Mark Twain plan...He said that,," The truth is NOT hard to kill and a lie well told is immortal..."
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ciotog17
Deploring neoconservatism since 1968
02:22 PM on 10/14/2012
The only reason Paul Ryan wasn't laughed off the stage Thursday night is that Congressman Clueless didn't have the presence of mind to actually find the stage exit! Biden (and everyone else) were literally laughing in his face as the twaddle burbled from his math-averse lips. Complete fail Ryan; Biden takes it on style and by repeatedly roping the dope and pounding him relentlessly.
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lovely09
I don't comment much, but when I do...
02:31 PM on 10/14/2012
Poor Ryan, he couldn't just rip off his mic and leave.

Mentally, his tail was tucked between his legs.
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knott wrench
07:58 PM on 10/14/2012
I did notice the

"Deer caught in the Headlights look" on "Son of Sketch" Ryan, more than once.