Clinton's Latino Advantage Decreases, Obama Surges as Latinos Vote Beyond Black and White

Posted February 6, 2008 | 02:15 AM (EST)



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Asked on Super Duper Tuesday to choose between a black candidate, Barack Obama, and a white candidate, Hillary Clinton, Latinos chose both -- and neither.

In a Democratic race in which the issue of race has played a definitive role, racially fluid and ambiguous Latinos delivered a loud and historic message to the candidates and pundits and to the country as a whole: the black-white electorate of yesteryear is dead.

Preliminary results of the most intense primary in recent memory indicate that predictions of a monolithic Latino "firewall" for Clinton have fallen short. The candidates split key Latino states in different parts of the country. Clinton won states like New York and New Jersey while Obama won states like Colorado and Illinois. Exit poll results also demolished widely-held notions that Latinos are unwilling to support a black candidate. Obama succeeded in dropping Clinton's Latino advantage from 4-1 (68% to 17% according to a CNN poll conducted last week) to 3-2 last night. And in almost every Latino-heavy state that voted Super Tuesday, Obama received more than the 26 percent of the Latino vote he got in Nevada just 2 weeks ago.

Analysis of Latino voting patterns indicates that Latinos did not, as predicted, march monolithically into the voting booths to vote racially black or white. Instead, the Latino vote segmented along other vectors, the most interesting of which is the regional vector.

In what appears to be the development of a Latino voter regionalism, the vote varied depending on what part of the country (and in some cases what part of a state) the vote was cast. For example, while Clinton secured 74% of the Latino vote in her home state of New York, available data also indicates that Obama won 59% of the 30-44 year olds, the largest age bloc, in his home state of Illinois' Latino electorate.

Obama won important Latino votes -- and delegates -- in Colorado, Arizona and other states where Clinton was expected to overwhelm him. With the support of New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez and other members of the Latino political machine nurtured by her husband, the former President, Clinton won more than 60% of the Latino electorate in states like New Jersey and New York. And regardless of the final tallies in California, the Latino electorate has already proven to be a powerful, new and greatly misunderstood segment of the no longer solely black and white electorate of the United States.

"Candidates are spending tens of millions of dollars trying to capture the attention of Latino voters, mostly in the Spanish language media" said Maria Teresa Petersen, the Executive Director of Voto Latino, a nonpartisan voter registration organization that also uses technology and pop culture to promote the political participation of new Latino voters. "But what the campaigns haven't figured out is that 79% of the 18 million eligible Latino voters consume media in English" said Petersen adding, "So, it's terrific that they're targeting 21% of the voters with Latino messages, but when will they learn to target us with Latino ads in English?"

Analysts like Petersen, whose organization registered more than 7,500 young voters this past January, agree that the youthfulness of the Latino vote guarantees that this vote will both continue to see great flux. "Exactly 50% of the 18 million voters eligible to vote are under 50 years old. And this is a generation growing up in the era of anti-immigrant politics. This is why they marched and this is why they are voting. Immigration is more than an issue. It's a great catalyst. The candidate who understands this will win the Latino vote in the future, including the near future."

As the highly contested Democratic primary rages beyond Super Duper Tuesday states, Latinos will continue to play critical roles, especially in tight races, according to Antonio Gonzalez, the President of the California-based William C. Velasquez Institute.

"The big enchilada will be Texas, followed by mid-sized states where Latinos are about 5% of the vote, states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Maryland and Washington" said Gonzalez. "It's going to continue to be very interesting" said a smiling Gonzalez. "On the one hand," he added, "Latinos are clearly trending towards Obama who overcame a 27 point difference nationally. But, on the other hand, Clinton still won several states with (Latino) margins of more than 50%." If estimates of a 61 to 38 percent Latino advantage for Clinton hold and if the trend, especially the youthful Latino trend, favoring Obama continues, understanding the fluidity of the very racially and ethnically diverse Latino electorate will be mission critical to success well into November's general election.

Standing outside Public School 24 in Brooklyn's diverse working class neighborhood of Sunset Park, one sees and hears the political future in the opinions -- and votes -- of Latino voters like 31 year-old Smithe Celestrin. She and millions of other Latinos made clear to the country how far it has moved beyond the black-white electorate of yesteryear. "The candidates need to understand where Latinos stand" says Celestrin, a dark-skinned Puerto Rican-French-Chinese digital advertising manager whose main issues are the war, the economy and immigration. "This is our country and we will have our say in it."

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- Dodgerdude See Profile I'm a Fan of Dodgerdude

What was the point of posting this "analysis" before all the numbers were in?

as an obama supporter and a latino, i wish lovano's analysis panned out. but, alas, clinton spanked obama among latino voters. what the hell is lovano talking about? i guess if you're going to be wrong, might as well make it WAY WRONG! Tiki Barber wrong.

I have to agree with the Marine chap from New Mexico who led off the responses. What am I missing?

david perez

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 AM on 02/07/2008
- Dodgerdude See Profile I'm a Fan of Dodgerdude

dude:

As an Obama supporter and a Latino, this "analysis" before everything was tallied is EMBARRASSING!!!!!!!!!!! Hillary stomped Obama among Latino voters. I wish it weren't so, but it's a FACT. Whst the hell are you talking about?

I agree with the Marine gent from New Mexico. What was the point of this article?

david perez

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 AM on 02/07/2008
- Boadicea See Profile I'm a Fan of Boadicea

It's interesting to read the comments on this blog and discover that Hillary supporters dismiss most of the Democratic voters in this country as "not the core of the Democratic party."

Is it any wonder that those states never vote for the Democrat? How long do Democrats want to keep losing presidential elections?

It's shocking how dismissive the Clintonistas are of the heart of America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 02/07/2008
- quantum9leap See Profile I'm a Fan of quantum9leap

Oops lost my message. Anyway come on now Robert there is no such thing as a Latino. No one speaks Latin today except the church which speaks Vulgate. These persons to whom you are referring are Hispanics due to the fact that they share a common language, Spanish. And even then it is subject to the regional character of their home area.
Mr. Obama is a media created character. He is a child wandering in a very complex world of which he knows very little about. He is in way over his head and could fall far short of what this country needs in the coming years. I like him. He speaks well but that is all he does speak. Nothing within reason concerning this very complex world and the all of the resounding issues facing the leader of this country.
I believe that in reality we ought to be able to see that neither he nor Ms. Clinton can win the general election. Your numbers don't add up to victory in the general election. There is a lot of hate and venom out there.Too much currently to elect an American of black heritage and a Clinton.
Therefore it behooves us to find a strong,worldly,and knowledgeable candidate to get behind and elect to a job that is so important as to threaten our society. Let us get together and find that person and not let the media make our choice for us.
Arise all ye Americans. Lets get at it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 02/06/2008
- CitizenJeanne See Profile I'm a Fan of CitizenJeanne

Wow - there have been a lot of blatantly biased articles, but this is really over the top, not to mention wrong. The Latino -- and Latina -- vote is solidly in Hillary's corner. This sounds like a stirring up of innuendo such as was done to stir up a racial problem that did not exist. The loyalty is of the long-term variety, and trying to put a short-term crimp in that loyalty will probably not work. Latinos, as well as others, know that Hillary is the smartest person in the room. Obama is trying to sell the emperor some fancy, but thin, clothes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 02/06/2008
- RichLiberal See Profile I'm a Fan of RichLiberal

Wake up! Hillary crushed Obama last night. She won states with 147 of the needed 270 last night, all of which can be depended on to deliver in November. Obama won his home state, which accounted for 1/2 his vote margins over Hillary. Plus he won a bunch of states that will never vote for the Dem in Nov: Georgia, Alabama (both racial votes), Utah, North Dakota, Kansas, Colorado, Alaska, Idaho for a total of 42 electoral votes almost sure to go Republican as they always have since Nixon.
Obama's little election scam is now exposed - a racial vote, a right wing deal of some sort in these tiny 25,000 votes gets you the delegates states, and a MSM Hillary Hatefest of disaffected liberals piling on with Rush Limbaugh & co to "capture" Lieberman's Conn (Oh, he's an Obama supporter), Minnesota (? I guess because it's near Ill), etc. Bottom line: I count that at best Obama would get 69 of the 111 electoral votes his states counted for last night in Nov.
The Democratic core has spoken, and it has told Ted Kennedy and Barak Obama to get lost. Last night you heard the thunder of California, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, joined by Arkansas, Tennessee (Gore), and Oklahoma (Clinton's neighbor). They joined the already marching Michigan and Florida. Hillary is the candidate. Obama is a poor pretender, juiced by a media machine gone wild. Game's just about over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 02/06/2008
- GnitenGoodLk See Profile I'm a Fan of GnitenGoodLk

wtf

Sheesh. We get the leadership we deserve I guess.

Good luck with that. I'm voting for Obama in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 02/06/2008
- factanonverba See Profile I'm a Fan of factanonverba

Please. Nationiwide Hillary took Hispanic voters by a two to one margin. In California, it was even more pronounced 3 to 1. The reason is simple: part of it is an appreciation and devotion to Bill Clinton; the other part is that Obama thought he was scoring points with the drivers licenses for illegals. Nope. He missed it. Hillary is taking comprehensive immigration reform, a process that takes their friends and relatives on a path to legality. It is green card first, drivers licenses after that. For Hispanics, that argument makes more sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 02/06/2008
- bella6 See Profile I'm a Fan of bella6

HILEY& OBMA ALL E WAY IT IS THE ONLY WAY, THY WILL BE POWERFUL , IDON'T CAE O GES IT, HY RE RUNNING CLOSE WECANOTLT MCAIN IN , IILL B BUHY ALL OVER AGAIN , REMEBER HE RUINED THIS COUNTEY!
THINK ABUT IT,ARE YOU BETTER OFF NOW THAN8 YRS AGO, IF NOT, TALK UP HRC &OBMA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 02/06/2008
- cynara See Profile I'm a Fan of cynara

Here is an interesting observation and interpretation of the Latino voting patterns from another HufPo blog:
"The Clintons can muscle lots of Hispanic votes in California much like Daley did in Chicago in 1960. The Clinton's Hispanic leaders in California control much of the voting process in California. This is not true in any other state. Hillary won the Hispanics in California by a 2/1 ratio. Compare this result with what happened in Arizona and New Mexico where the ratio was much more balanced. Clearly New Mexico has the highest proportion of Hispanic voters in the country and the result was a virtual tie. The only other remaining primary with a high Hispanic population is in Texas where the Clintons will not get a 2/1 ratio of the Hispanic community. I suspect that in Texas the Hispanic vote will be no better than 50/50 especially since it is a Republican state."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sheldon-drobny/hillary-is-the-underdog_b_85387.html

He's right about New Mexico, the vote was split, and they are closest to majority Latino.

Another Huffpo Blogger, Jeff Chang, also addresses Latino (and Asian) leadership muscling in his blog:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-chang/why-latinos-and-asian-ame_b_85359.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 02/06/2008
- flatus See Profile I'm a Fan of flatus

"...capture the attention of Latino voters, mostly in the Spanish language media"

Speaking of Spanish language media, why don't Telemundo and Univision provide the courtesy of closed captioned English?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 02/06/2008
- flatus See Profile I'm a Fan of flatus


"...the black-white electorate of yesteryear is dead."

Of course, the caveat here is that the black candidate has to sound like a white candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 02/06/2008
- nchapmansf See Profile I'm a Fan of nchapmansf

Hello, I have a question. Does anyone know why Obama did so well in Idaho and Alaska. The percentage of votes he received in those two states was incredibly high compared to what Hillary received. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 02/06/2008
- amberzfaery See Profile I'm a Fan of amberzfaery

Are there only a few of us that truly get this--Hillary is more of the same stuff we've been putting up with. She's no different that the shrub in that she can't admit she made a mistake or she's either so stubborn or so blind that she really believes he wasn't going to invade Iraq. Right!

More of the same old stuff and we won't have a country anymore. We're already over the edge hanging on by our fingernails and we have almost another year of George in office trying to snap those nails off.

Considering that the majority of Americans are against the war, how can you even consider Hillary when there is an alternative.

Hillary was a good First Lady and a good Senator for New York, but aren't you people (all of you, regardless of age, race, religion, sex) tired of the Bushes and the Clintons? Let's give someone else a try.

Obama looks a lot better that Hillary or any of the repubs (they've all lost their collective minds). Plus he has a better chance of beating McCain. Please use your brains and some logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 02/06/2008
- Keith Richard Radford Jr See Profile I'm a Fan of Keith Richard Radford Jr

I can't speak for anybody but me and I like that half white guy, With what we have to chose from, At least he says cares about our poor. Hillery can't even make me believe she does. Shes hooked up with Bush and the whole thing smells of too many years of being rich. Kenya's cool, if he gets in. With our military at his command they better be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 02/06/2008
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