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American Education: Much Worse Than You Think

Posted: 05/30/11 01:17 AM ET

As the publisher of Watching America.com, the site that translates foreign news about the United States from all over the world, I have read dozens of applications from people who are interested in joining our ever-growing editorial team.

Some time ago, I received one from a young man who had a master's degree in International Relations from a well-known university on the East Coast, with a GPA of 3.9. I'll call him Nik to protect the innocent. As is our usual practice, I sent Nik an article to edit, explaining to him that he can take as long as he needs, as only quality -- and not speed -- is important.

It came back to me full of basic errors of grammar and vocabulary. The complete inability to use an apostrophe, and many of the other errors, suggested to me that Nik must not be a native English speaker. I couldn't let a non-native speaker with this poverty of English near the articles we publish, but I called Nik as he had other skills that we could perhaps have used in different parts of the organization.

When we spoke, Nik's English was fluent, and it turned out that Nik was American through and through -- born and bred in the good ol' US of A.

I was stunned, but should not have been surprised. I went through the article with him and pointed out the errors in the use of apostrophes throughout, and asked him to correct them. He couldn't. He couldn't even tell me the rule about their usage.

3.9 GPA - and cannot use an apostrophe. A master's degree in a subject that is completely verbal, and depends on the careful and detailed exposition of complex ideas -- and cannot use an apostrophe.

Following some soothing words to soften the blow of the subsequent question, I asked Nik how he obtained a master's degree without knowing basic grammar. He told me simply that this is how it is in American education -- that professors don't correct work. We had an interesting conversation and it was clear that this candidate was by no means dull. I told him that he had been let down by his educational institution and that, should he wish to pursue it, I would communicate in whatever form with any of the authorities of his university; I would argue with him for a partial refund of his fees, and I would make it clear that this is the stuff of national scandal. As someone who has in the past been involved in hiring for a private-sector corporation, I also told him the grammatical errors in his resume (rather than its content, which was impressive) would alone eliminate him from the running for any serious job. He was glad that I did.

Having been looking at applications for five years, I know that Nik's application was not unusual.

Would it were possible to head off the effects of the we-don't-give-a-damn attitudes of educational institutions and the so-called "teachers" or "professors" who work in them. I fear it is too late.

These attitudes can be seen in wider society. For example, signs in my local Fry's, a multi-billion dollar company, advertise "Chip's". Apparently, they can't afford someone with basic grammar to write their signs. Or they just don't really care. Fry's stores are riddled with painful-to-look-at signs with errors in basic English that would shame most seven year-olds not only in the country of my birth, but in many countries where English is being taught as a second language.

A note to mothers: be careful what you expose your children to. You thought you only had to worry about the drugs and TV violence...? Now you have to worry about your local grocery store's helping to turn your beloved son or daughter into someone with such a confused grasp of the language that he or she is unlikely to get any job -- except, of course, at that grocery store. (Anyone who can tell me why "store" has an apostrophe in the last sentence should apply immediately to Watching America for an editorial position!)

In fact, shoppers, why haven't you already reported those incorrect signs to the management for the sake of your country and its children?

I am a complete America-phile, so it pains me to ask this, but how exactly, America, do we expect to be taken seriously if our people around the table in the international halls of power, where rightly or wrongly the big decisions get made, write our own language with more errors than those foreigners who've had to learn it as a second language, or even as a third?

Last year, when I was living in Arizona, that state voted to increase sales tax allegedly to maintain schooling in the state. America, it doesn't matter how much money you throw at something if the people who are supposed to deliver the service don't know enough to do the job. It also doesn't matter how much money you throw at something if the people who know how to do the job are not allowed to put red marks on their students' papers because of some policy set by the same political class who are responsible for taking your money to fund this so-called educational system.

Shame on all politicians who just continue to throw money at a system that has seen standards decline even as funding has increased. Shame on the same politicians who implement policies that prevent the good teachers from giving their students the benefit of their knowledge -- and that prevent such people from wanting to work in the system in the first place. Shame on all parents who pay huge fees to universities and then don't demand the most basic standards from those who receive their money. Shame on all teachers who don't care enough about this problem to do anything about it, and tell themselves that it's OK because they're following whatever rules they're told to follow. Shame, too, on any union officer who is more interested in protecting the pensions of their members than in ensuring that their members have the ability and permission to deliver the education their young charges have a right to expect.

As ever, we get what we deserve. But our children do not: they are the ones who will have to compete with ever increasing numbers of increasingly well-educated young people from developing countries all over the world.

Whatever the reason, and whoever should be blamed, America needs to come together to address its taught ignorance. If our debt doesn't finish us, our education system certainly will.

America has already bred its lost generation, and given them 3.9 GPAs. What are we going to do about it?

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(Note; a reader will occasionally find errors in English in Watching America articles -- despite the various systems we have in place to ensure they never occur. We apologize for them. The difference between us and Fry's, and it seems, the American education system, is three-fold: 1) We care about errors; 2) we fix errors when they are pointed out to us and 3) WA has neither profits nor funding, so while we strive for quality, we are limited by resources and the time kindly donated by our wonderful volunteers. Nevertheless, the standards we set for our editorial team seem in some respects to be higher than those set for masters' degrees at many institutions.)

 

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As the publisher of Watching America.com, the site that translates foreign news about the United States from all over the world, I have read dozens of applications from people who are interested in jo...
As the publisher of Watching America.com, the site that translates foreign news about the United States from all over the world, I have read dozens of applications from people who are interested in jo...
 
 
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GlennWatson
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10:16 AM on 06/07/2011
I am a HS teacher. Let me sat this.

There is nothing teachers can do about this problem. If the teacher honestly grades students who write poorly, too many fail and the teacher gets fired.

I can comment on the mistakes. I can circle them in red ink. I can make suggestions and corrections but I cannot fail a kid for poor grammar. I don't have that power and the kids know it. I don't know what to do.

(God I hope I wrote this post correctly.)
04:52 PM on 06/03/2011
Not long ago, I was instructed to hire an attorney for my company. With a low budget, we decided to hire someone straight out of lawschool. Fully 50% of resumes came in with spelling or grammar errors and were immediately discarded. Might have been good lawyers too, but we'll never know. Mr. Koerner is not wrong headed in this article. Words matter, and the written word is the only way I know to convey ideas over time. Sure, we could make you tube videos of our legal contracts, then no one would care much about the spelling.
07:21 AM on 06/03/2011
Twenty years ago, my ten-year-old decided to go into a local chain restaurant he passed on his way to school and report that the huge sign outside had a grammatical error -- Tee Jay's Country Place -- County cooking at it's best!

The manager told him he was wrong and to get out.
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Robin Koerner
07:27 PM on 06/01/2011
Thanks to all of you who've written to me with a correct explanation of the use of the apostrophe.

For those genuinely interested, “helping” in the sentence at issue is a gerund, which is simply a noun that is formed from a verb. It is this noun, “helping”, that is the object of the verb “worry about”. The apostrophe in "store's" is therefore possessive. Omitting it would be incorrect, but inasmuch as omitting it would provide any meaning at all, it would incorrectly make "store" the object of the verb.

The simple rule is that "gerunds take the possessive".
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pkafin
01:24 PM on 06/03/2011
Is the verb "worry about" or simply "worry"?

And, while we're at it, should the question mark in the previous sentence be inside those quotes?

Because, along with really not liking that rule, I wonder if it is an absolute. That is to say, does the rule apply even when the quotes are around a single word and are being used, not to indicate a spoken phrase, but instead as a way to signify that a single word has been pulled from previous text?
08:18 PM on 06/10/2011
Out of curiosity, I would pose the following editorial question.

While I understand that helping can be a gerund and thus take the possessive, it seems that this construction is less clear than it would be if the possessive and gerund were omitted. Since there are many institutions responsible for "helping to turn...," it seems that the emphasis in this case should be on the fact that your local grocery store is doing it. Thus "store" as the object of "worry about" makes sense to me.
08:32 PM on 06/10/2011
I also realize I never actually posed a question. The question would have been, why choose this particular construction, other than to make a point about grammar?
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Michael Morrison
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04:20 PM on 06/01/2011
I teach adult remedial math, and my students range from 18 to over 60 years in age.

I have noticed a big generational difference in writing skills. The e-mails I receive from older (over 40) students are usually written with some care, and are generally easy to read. The e-mails I receive from younger (under 25) students rarely use punctuation or capital letters, and I often have difficulty discerning what, exactly, the younger student wants to tell me.

A high school English teach of my acquaintance has told me that the district frowns on teachers spending too much time on grammar or punctuation.
01:16 AM on 06/02/2011
im 18 and when it comes to emails or things on the internet im not really interested in capital letter or even punctuation. i do it just to get my point across but its different when writing a essay
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Michael Morrison
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04:23 PM on 06/02/2011
Terron:

The details are important...Even in an e-mail. Ponder this for a moment. A few years ago, a man died and left his estate to his three children: William, Thomas and Emily.

Thomas and Emily were very upset. Why?

By the way: This is a true story.
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12:53 PM on 06/01/2011
"Now you have to worry about your local grocery store's helping to turn your beloved son or daughter into someone..."

"Store's" should be "stores" or "store".
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Michael Morrison
Proud Dad, Engineer, Aspring Geophysicist
04:22 PM on 06/01/2011
I think the possessive might be OK in this case. If we re-write the sentence to:

"Now you have to worry about HIS helping to turn your beloved son or daughter..."

It's not a sentence construction that I use, but I'm not sure that it is incorrect. Any HONEST to GOSH English experts willing to weigh-in on this?
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05:10 PM on 06/01/2011
I agree with your analysis, though it is a difficult sentence to read. I guess this guy can make some mistakes since he has a disclaimer - maybe he should have told his applicant to put a disclaimer on his resume... or maybe schools can have a disclaimer:

"some students graduating from this school will not be prepared. We apologize for this, but the difference is that we care about our students unlike some places. Our school has neither profits nor funding, so while we strive for quality, we are limited by resources and the time kindly donated by our wonderful volunteers..."
11:38 AM on 06/01/2011
Interesting
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Richard Bartholomew
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03:27 AM on 06/01/2011
'He told me simply that this is how it is in American education -- that professors don't correct work.'

Or perhaps the professors are themselves incompetent to do so.
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DanInLA
09:57 AM on 06/01/2011
Professors do research and become experts in their fields. They are not there to teach high school level grammar. Anyone looking for a professor to proofread their papers, doesn't belong in college.
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FloridaEnglishTeacher
12:15 AM on 06/02/2011
Unfortunately, students come to high school without even knowing the parts of speech, never mind the finer points of grammar.
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10:30 PM on 06/02/2011
Professors at both tier 1 universities I went to for my undergrad and MS graded papers and took off massive points for spelling, grammar and punctuation. You couldn't get more than a C with terrible writing. And these were science disciplines!~
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12:16 AM on 06/01/2011
Mr Koerner, you offer a singular anecdote - with the only attributions being "young man" and "well-known university on the east coast" - explaining that you offer the pseudonym for this young man in order to protect the innocent.

You then decry the state of education in america, casting blame widely and far.

Why not identify the "well known university", even if you would prefer to allow "Nik" to inflict his poor language skills on the professional world?

Could it be that your anecdote is innocent of the truth?

Could it be that this polemic bears more of a likeness to a grumpy homeowner snarling at passersby on the public sidewalk than any real alarm?
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10:31 PM on 06/02/2011
That is a very good point. Name the University. Otherwise it could have been University of Phoenix.
11:37 PM on 05/31/2011
While I can agree that some of the problem is from instructors not providing feedback to students, there is also a problem with students not seeking input. When students are given the opportunity to submit a draft of their paper 2 weeks early for feedback, less than 15% of the students submit them early. When students are given the opportunity to come in and pick up papers with feedback, less than 10% of students will actually pick up graded papers that were submitted at the end of the term. And when I have required papers earlier in the term and then returned them in class, about 1/3 of students throw their papers in the garbage on their way out of the classroom. So there is a definate level of frustration when students do not even look at the comments made. Is there an issue with grade inflation with the student you refrenced? Absolutely. But I also believe that part of the message you received from the student is not accurate. When I see students who sincerely want to learn and understand the concepts, I will give that student as much time as I can (most of my fellow colleagues would do the same). But when a student does not even care to look at the feedback, my willingness to go the extra mile dwindles.
09:00 PM on 05/31/2011
You should have written "whoever should be blamed," not "whomever," in your penultimate paragraph.
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Robin Koerner
10:19 PM on 05/31/2011
Correct... and corrected. Thank you.
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MarcEdward
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10:43 AM on 06/01/2011
Love the irony.
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12:55 PM on 06/01/2011
Love the disclaimer at the end.
08:54 PM on 05/31/2011
It's "whoever should be blamed ...", not "whomever," Mr. Koerner
05:24 PM on 05/31/2011
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/quizzes/8thgrade_test.cfm

Take the 8th-grade, 1895, Salina, Kansas, oneroom schoolhouse graduation test, rocket scientists.
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ecotopian
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06:16 PM on 05/31/2011
And ten years after they took that test, they might not be able to pass it either. How much of that information did those students retain? That's the real question, not whether we can take the test and pass it.
12:05 AM on 06/01/2011
Excuses, excuses.
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04:48 PM on 06/01/2011
I know most of our current politicians would not pass this test, especially #4 under Arithmetic:

"4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?"

Not to mention they would have no idea how to take an open-ended exam.
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OliverTwist
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04:00 PM on 05/31/2011
An announcement made on an Amtrak train - "Please go to the door with a Conductor, as all doors will not open."
03:54 PM on 05/31/2011
I am an engineer / scientist, and I don't really care any more about the fine points of grammar. I and my colleagues work in an environment of international science / engineering English - which is NOT the "King's English". Grammatically, it is probably 8th grade level, and may be lower. Simple first person active tense has taken over from the third person passive of the past. When I was in grad school, a fellow graduate student made the comment "English may be one of the most difficult languages to speak correctly, but is clearly the easiest language to be correctly understood in when speaking (or writing) badly."

Writing needs to be clear and understandable and it must be possible to decipher the meaning unambiguously. If it does not meet these objectives, it fails. I do understand that many structural issues in composition can be a bit forced as the sentence structure in many languages is rather different than that of English, so mapping Chinese, German, or Russian to English can result is strained structures. I do value good writing, but in the community I work with, English is a second language much if not most the time. I have adapted.

I do value and appreciate good writing, but my focus is on accurate communications and understanding.
05:27 PM on 05/31/2011
No wonder "engineers" build such wonders as Fukushima.

Engineers are always pretending they are smart, when actually, they are hacks. Why? Because they know nothing about anything except the narrow subject they studied in college. The creators of Beavis and Butthead say that Beavis and Butthead are the kind of people who grow up to be engineers. I have taught engineeers. Tremble for the fate of the world, ye citizens.
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12:31 AM on 06/01/2011
You direct your ire at someone who values communication over form? What if the form has meaningless, nonsensical, and pretentious rules, such as splitting infinitives?

Did you do anything except study a narrow subject in college? Did you ever reach beyond literature to math and science? And did your study of your subject in college prepare you for applying it, or did you have to spend further years refining your skills and broadening and deepening the knowledge before you could use it to anyone's benefit?

I have worked with and known engineers and writers and artists - and I wouldn't consider some off-hand comment by the creators of Beavis and Butthead (no doubt intended to promote their work) to be insightful analysis.

I have dealt with English majors whose survival in the real world I find astonishing. And I have dealt with smart, intelligent people who have a joy in literature and the arts - and aren't so narrow minded as to think the arts are limited to flowery writing, splotches of goo on a canvas, and sculpture that is indecipherable by anyone outside of a small clique.
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Richard Bartholomew
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03:55 AM on 06/01/2011
I was educated as an engineer (BSEE) and worked for many years as a software engineer in scientific and engineering applications. Four years ago, I began working as a technical translator (German to English).

Although I have known engineers and scientists who could and did write good, grammatical, well-punctuated English, most of them didn't. I suspect that nearly all of them could, but such a low priority was assigned to good, clear technical writing that practically nobody wanted to take the time or make the effort to produce it. In fact, my managers and colleagues treated me with suspicion, and all but accused me of wasting the company's time, after I started rewriting technical documentation on my own initiative.

I finally became so sick of, and disgusted with, the low regard in which good writing was held that I quit and went freelance. Sadly, I can tell you that German scientists and engineers are not much better than their US American counterparts when it comes to producing good technical writing. But, as a translator, I can at least do something to make the English translations more comprehensible and grammatical.