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Captain America's USA

Posted: 08/01/11 03:34 PM ET

Captain America is really good. I enjoyed it, but I wonder, what happened to this America of the 40s that spawned the first avenger?

In the movie, it seems like a great place for everyone. A woman leads men in combat and even takes part in some of the fighting. Later, when Captain America puts together his own little group of commandos, the crew includes an African American and a Japanese American. Yet, nothing is made of the unusual racial and gender make up of the team in the movie. No one even seems to notice. Some lip service is given briefly to the fact that one of the superior officers is a woman, but after she punches a recruit in the nose everyone realizes she deserves to be there and the sexist remarks end.

Watching this movie, there appears to be no irony in America joining the war for the freedom of Europe, fighting the racist and fascist policies of Nazi Germany. From this film, you would never predict that in the future our own country will have to apologize for rounding up its Japanese citizens and imprisoning them during that war -- much like the Nazis rounded up groups it hated or found suspicious. There is no indication that in the future America will hold protest marches and sit ins for equal rights for minorities and women.

In the past 70 or so years, the character Captain America hasn't changed much; he was a propaganda tool in the 40s and continues to be one today. Can't we cope with our history? Isn't it a good thing that we have been working hard to eradicate the wrongs we see in our society? Why is it that we insist on sweeping our shortcomings as a nation under the rug?

We clearly have trouble confronting our own past, but we have no problem talking about other people's problems. Boy, did we get on those South Africans for apartheid! But here at home supposedly enlightened people suddenly sound like English isn't their first language while trying to figure out how to attack the President without bringing up his race.

Americans always were and continue to be a race conscious people. No matter how I talk -- or the President for that matter -- when people want to mimic me, they give me a "black dialect". But pointing out my race is a shorthand way to describe me that doesn't take into account my individuality -- from my dietary choices to my politics. That is the definition of racism.

The fact that Captain America skips over all the problems of American discrimination says to me that racism and sexism are still such problems in this country that we've decided it's better not bring them up at all. We seem to think that admitting to our true past will only lead to some uncomfortable discussions, so let's just not get into it at all.

Okay, then let's all pretend the 40s were great. Must have been later when race and gender started becoming problems in America.

 

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10:18 AM on 08/08/2011
Robin, I appreciate your outlook on this, but Captain America doesn't take place in our universe. It takes place in the Marvel Multiverse were Marvel makes the history and sets the rules. This is a place where time, space, and inter-dimensional travel is possible. A place where people exposed to radiation become great warriors instead of dying a painful death hooked up to numerous machines in the hospital.

There is certainly a time and place to study race and gender in the 40's, but to use a made-up history as that backdrop seems illogical to me.

I would better understand the commentary if it were a historical documentary that was getting the facts wrong.
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Mario Almonte
11:53 PM on 08/07/2011
Those ridiculing Robin for using Captain America to discuss racism in America missed the point. She says right up front that she liked the movie, so she is obviously fully capable of suspending belief and recognizing that it's just a movie. If she had used a bag of M&M's to discuss how human beings of different cultures don't always get along - would people then have lectured her that it's just a bag of candy?

To all the hyperactive critics here, I would throw your own words back at you: Captain America is just a comic book movie - it's not the sacred scriptures. She is not committing blaspheme for using it as a launching-off point to discuss what the America of that time was really like. And movies like this one do tend to contribute to people forgetting. Since today's generation is exposed only to pop culture versions of history, chances are good Americans will forget the past, except for those who lived it.

Consider that most Americans actually think that the old Hollywood westerns actually offer accurate depictions of America's Old West! Native Americans of that time were ridiculed for objecting to how they were depicted. They were reminded they were just movie, for people's entertainment.

So to those who tell Robin, "it's just a movie," why not also bring back the old racist cartoons of the 30's and 40's. Hey, they were just cartoons!
10:27 PM on 08/07/2011
LOVE this article. Keep up the good work, Quivers.
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10:24 PM on 08/07/2011
Can't believe how uncomfortable people are with history. We get it, Captain America is "just a movie", but why must movies based on comics always stray so far from them :/
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robjh1
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10:16 PM on 08/07/2011
Read "At The Dark End Of The Street" by Danielle L. McGuire. As brutal as it may be, America must know its history own it and never repeat it. You can't sweep this stuff under the rug and say we have moved on.
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KingKrub
10:00 PM on 08/07/2011
Ms. Quivers. sorry.
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KingKrub
09:59 PM on 08/07/2011
Well written, Mrs. Quivers. As i've written before, my father often said "some day, there will be a race war in this country" and i always responded "the race war started the moment the pilgrims hit plymouth rock..
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09:13 PM on 08/07/2011
There's one other thing that I forgot to mention. The ENTIRE REASON for this movie is so Cap can be a member of the Avengers -- when that movie comes out next year. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know how they put him into suspended animation -- in the comics he gets frozen into a glacier. In the comics, Cap has some difficulty adjusting to the differences between WWII and present day -- which was the 60's when he was reintroduced. He doesn't get the protesters against the war at all -- at least at first. And it takes many, many issues for him to come to grips. That's fine for a comic book, but if you had to do that in a movie, you'd need an ENTIRE MOVIE just for that -- maybe two.
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midknightryder13
08:57 PM on 08/07/2011
While I understand what Robin is trying to say, this is the wrong movie to do it with. It's called an alternate universe for a reason. I didn't hear anyone complaining when Will Smith played James West in the movie version of "The Wild, Wild West". If it was supposed to be set on OUR Earth, what would be the chances? A black man in the Secret Service in the 1800's? Unlikely. The number of liberties they take when adapting a comic book to the big screen is unbelievable. How do we know that in THIS universe -- the one the Captain America movie is in -- they DIDN'T solve their racial problems BEFORE WWII? Or WWI for that matter? Or right after the Civil War? In the Iron Man movies Rhodey is portrayed as at Lt. Col, and was involved with Tony Stark right from the beginning. But in the comics he wasn't introduced until the late 70's and was a Sgt. Marvel had to write a story even later to explain how they originally met. (In the vernacular this is called a retcon -- short for retroactive continuity.) Ironically, they called it "Apocalypse THEN".
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NiccoloM
08:48 PM on 08/07/2011
I think it would have made a good point to show the racism and sexism that did exist at the time, perhaps even some of the shortcomings of the good guys, but make Captain America a kind of icon that thought ahead of his time about equality. Using a PC team, including a woman leader, during that period, s sort of ridiculous.
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Carlton Jordan
07:43 PM on 08/07/2011
if only it hadnt come from Robin Quivers......
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stacy slay
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01:59 PM on 08/07/2011
You know I go to movies to be entertained. If I wanted a message I would check my answering machine.
10:03 AM on 08/07/2011
Oh...my...god!! Must we turn everything into a commentary on race relations? It's a movie, and a bad one at that. Who cares?? I think we have gone off the deep end in America when you are considered racist for not constantly reminding yourself and others that America has a checkered past when it comes to race relations. It reminds me of the wife who's been cheated on and despite her assurances to her husband that she forgives him, she uses every opportunity for the next ten years to remind him of his past transgressions. Either you forgive and it's over, or you really never forgave in the first place. If you don't like America, leave.
03:59 PM on 08/07/2011
It's not about race with the Captain America movie, but about revisionist history. They're making it seem like everything was peachy back then when it really wasn't.
Dayne
People are people
04:31 PM on 08/07/2011
Dude, it's a comic book story. This has nothing to do with revisionist history, unless that is what you are attempting. Beyond that, WWII saw more integration of women and blacks into the military (you can thank Progressives like Wilson and Roosevelt for promoting racial segregation) along with entire units made up of Japanese, who I believe compiled one of the best war records (442nd Inf.). The movie wasn't focused on race relations in America, but apparently you can't view anything without your racial glasses.
07:56 AM on 08/07/2011
I think Robin's got a very good point here. The only way to conquer racism is to confront it. Pretty lame that so many high-profile Hollywood people produced this movie but didn't think about the film's historical accuracy. I mean, the film would have probably been even better if they used racial tension as a plot device.

Oh well, so many kids will see this movie and think that America has always been a progressive, equal opportunity place to live. That's too bad. More than any other country, America has overcome so many very real social issues -- we should be proud that we've gotten past something like racism (that is to say, American society is a lot more progressive and legally equal than its ever been).
01:03 AM on 08/07/2011
This also occurs in a universe when some skinny white dude becomes superhuman in an instant. Belief has to be suspended somewhat. It's not a historical drama.