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Women And Fashion

Posted: 07/20/11 03:49 PM ET

After seeing a preview of the film Snow Flower and the Secret Fan, based on Lisa See's novel about the practice of female foot-binding in pre-revolutionary China, Arianna Huffington recently wrote a post on her thoughts about women's friendships and the ways that women are willing to deform themselves, literally, for fashion. I want to address both topics here.

In a previous post, I wrote about ways that people can improve their relationships with their bodies. To me, Ms. Huffington's post is on a related topic, and highlights additional ways that people can improve their relationships with their bodies: Be a critical consumer of fashion trends that require you to be uncomfortable when dressed, and ask for support from your friends as you try to become more comfortable with your body -- and encourage them to do so too.

Fashion first

What's in style comes and goes, but what's "in" for women typically has at least one element that's not comfortable, as Ms. Huffington's post points to: footwear. High heels have been around for decades (even longer, actually), and they are neither comfortable nor practical. Wear a pair for more than an hour (if that long) and your feet will start to hurt. Walk around in them -- on stairs, on city streets, on a dance floor -- and your risk of falling increases. So why wear them? In my unscientific, nonrandom sample of women I've asked, the answers range from "I like the way they make me look/walk" to "it's expected." (I didn't bother asking men about high heels since they don't wear them. But it's a safe bet that if men were expected to wear high heels, that type of shoe would have long ago gone out of fashion. Can you see Arnold Schwarzenegger or Christian Bale in a tux and heels? That's a funny image. I laughed out loud when I imagined by husband in heels.)

Yes, it's true that high heels, by virtue of the physics of walking in them, lead women to walk differently than in low-heeled shoes; in fact learning to walk in high heels takes practice -- there are many YouTube videos explaining how to do it, but even experienced models sometimes lose their balance. The walk is "feminine" because it's unlike that of a man (although men would walk that way if they got the knack of wearing heels). To which my reply is "So what?" I like dressing up, but dressing up and looking nice are in a different category from enduring pain or discomfort for beauty's sake or because it's expected and part of the conventions of culture. This seems pretty close to the explanation for why (well off) women in pre-revolutionary China broke, bound, and deformed their feet. This process is described in gory detail in Lisa See's novel Snow Flower and the Secret Fan and I assume will be similarly shown in the film.

From foot fashion, we can go on to other elements of fashion that can be uncomfortable, although perhaps not as physically damaging: panty hose; girdles or their more modern equivalents (which are spiritual descendants of whale-bone corsets in the quest to make a woman's body conform prevailing cultural views of the perfect body); certain kinds of bras, tight fitting clothes of any kind (which make you more conscious of your body when you move and are uncomfortable after eating if not before); heavy pocketbooks (do we really need to carry all that stuff around?).

If your clothes make your body hurt or feel uncomfortable, you're more likely to become annoyed with, or not like, your body. You're certainly going to become more conscious of your body in a way that isn't necessarily positive. If your waist feels uncomfortable because your pants or skirt are a tad too snug, you'll feel as if you're "too fat." (I am aware that for some people, wearing clothes that are snug at the waist helps them regulate their food intake -- they become more aware of when they've had enough. My point is more general.) If you have wide feet and try to fit them in to narrow shoes, then you'll probably dislike your feet and notice them more as they hurt.

With A Little Help From Your Friends

As Ms. Huffington points out, women can serve as wonderful sources of support for each other, sustaining and helping each other grow. I think it would be amazing if women challenged their female friends about some fashion choices. For instance, rather than compliment a friend on her new high-heeled shoes, what if you said, "Those shoes are nice, but I think it will be hard to be comfortable in them. Your feet will hurt and that'll put a damper on things. Why not wear something that looks nice and is comfortable?" or "Your new pocketbook is nice, but it's so big -- it could throw off your balance and hurt your shoulder." See what I mean? And if you decide to wean yourself of damaging fashion trends, let your friends know (and why) and ask for their support.

While we're on the subject of sacrifices for fashion, I've got one more topic to discuss: pockets, or the lack thereof, in women's clothes. Men's clothes have functional pockets, which is why they don't need pocketbooks. (Men might carry briefcases or backpacks for additional items, but their most important items -- wallet, phone, keys -- are likely carried in pockets in their clothes.) Their pants have nice big front pockets, their back pockets may even have buttons so things like a wallet won't fall out, their sportcoats and suit jackets have breast pockets big enough for big wallets, and assorted other pockets. Their coats have pockets.
Women's clothes? I can only wish. Yes, I know that the goal for women's fashion is to make women look sleek and not boxy. But surely there must be a way to design fashionable clothes that look good and have functional pockets somewhere, so we can keep our wallets, keys, and cell phones on our persons without having to wear men's clothes. Then we can have our important stuff with us at all times. Think of the advantages! Less need to guard our pocketbooks. Less rooting around for our cell phones or keys. Less shoulder fatigue. I look forward to those fashion designs.

Robin S. Rosenberg, Ph.D., ABPP is a clinical psychologist in private practice in Stanford, Calif. Rosenberg specializes in treating people with eating disorders, depression and anxiety. She often writes about the psychology of superheroes and has co-authored several psychology textbooks, including "Abnormal Psychology" and "Introducing Psychology: Brain, Person, Group." To find out more about Dr. Rosenberg and her work, read her Psychology Today blog and visit her on Red Room. For Dr. Rosenberg’s brief, easy-to-read guide Improving Your Relationships with Your Body, click here.

 
After seeing a preview of the film Snow Flower and the Secret Fan, based on Lisa See's novel about the practice of female foot-binding in pre-revolutionary China, ...
After seeing a preview of the film Snow Flower and the Secret Fan, based on Lisa See's novel about the practice of female foot-binding in pre-revolutionary China, ...
 
 
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02:08 PM on 07/21/2011
I linked your article in my blog. We ladies need to stick together and move women's fashion forward for the better.

http://cuspofenlightenment.blogspot.com/2011/07/fashion-modern-womans-faux-pas.html
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01:53 PM on 07/21/2011
Hear hear on pockets!

And also on the clothes not lasting very long...

Where does the appreciation of clothing come from? One's self...
10:34 AM on 07/22/2011
It is so true that women's clothes are not made well yet are very expensive. I try to update my clothes only to invest again in a few months. Men wear suits for years and years and the suits are affordable. Maybe we should band together and open a store for women with sturdier clothes. Could be a money maker.
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Joseline
09:52 AM on 07/21/2011
I definitely agree with the article and certainly hope I'll be able to transmit those thoughts and values to my future daughters!

It really pains me how we women are willing to sacrifice comfort and even our health just to "look good/sexy". And it pains me how society brainwashed us since we're kids to think that "looking good/sexy" is a priority. I'm not saying you need to look like a disaster, but there are many ways of looking beautiful without all that make up on, those tight clothes and those high heels.

And... btw, I don't wear high heels, not tight clothes, no miniskirts... and have never had problems finding dates :)
01:14 PM on 07/21/2011
I liked your last sentence. It backs up my belief that women do these things to themselves. I don't know any men that see a woman and go through some mental checklist that includes tight clothes and heels before deciding if he finds her attractive. Yes, we like seeing those things, love it actually, but we also realize that the woman who is trying so hard to look good either puts too much emphasis on looks because of vanity or insecurity, both of which are too much trouble in the long run. Though for the short run, well, those things offer a great deal of assitance.
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rabbitfurcoat
HOUSEQUAKE !!
10:02 PM on 07/21/2011
I loved your last sentence...even though i love wearing heels myself. Women think they're dressing for men when really they're dressing for other women's approval. You think men notice that your floral shorts are a big trend... hell no !!! My man wouldn't notice if I came home bald. I remember from the age of about 17-20 I refused to leave my house without make-up. My mum would ask me to go to buy her some salt from a shop 2 minutes away and I'd straighten my hair and slap on the make up because i was that insecure. My epiphany came when my dad came to take me to lunch and was at my house so quick that I had no time to wear make up or do my hair. On my way home I got stopped by men trying to get my number and calling me beautiful. I thought they were blind. Unfortunately it was me that was blind not them. Dressing for comfort is a must though.
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08:34 PM on 07/20/2011
....... rather than compliment a friend on her new high-heeled shoes, what if you said, "Those shoes are nice, but I think it will be hard to be comfortable in them. Your feet will hurt and that'll put a damper on things. Why not wear something that looks nice and is comfortable?" or "Your new pocketbook is nice, but it's so big -- it could throw off your balance and hurt your shoulder."

You've got to be kidding! If a friend made remarks like that to me I'd think she was an insufferable busybody. A true friend wouldn't impose her ideas of comfort on someone else. If a woman chooses to wear high heels, carry a big purse or wear tight clothes it's because she wants to and she shouldn't have to endure a lecture from a so-called friend. After all, it's her body and her choice. What you're proposing is the flip side of telling someone "I know you like those sneakers because they're comfortable, but they make you look dowdy. A nice pair of heels would be so much more stylish".
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Joseline
09:48 AM on 07/21/2011
In reality, it's not her "choice". We're brainwashed since we're kids to look a certain way, to do certain things... so it's not really freedom but systematic oppression.
01:07 PM on 07/21/2011
Who is doing the brainwashing?Yes, every man I know thinks high heels make women look sexier. That is the point of heels, after all. But I don't know any man who bases his opinion of women on whether or not she wears heels.

Personally, I love the way they look, but I also ask myself what the woman is trying to accomplish? Let's face it, they only serve 2 purposes, to make the woman look taller (vanity) or to make her look sexy (vanity).

When someone is willing to endure discomfort for the benefit of looks, what does that say about them?
05:48 PM on 07/22/2011
Insisting women wear baggy clothes or flat shoes to prove they're not brainwashed is a form of oppression. Expressing my personal aesthetic through my choice of attire is freedom. Nobody's holding a gun to my head when I choose heels over flats. I suppose if a woman considers herself a victim, it's logical for her to believe she's brainwashed. There's also the possibility that she's using brainwashing as an excuse for passive-aggressive laziness. Taking pleasure in enhancing your appearance shows respect for others. Being free to wear what you consider beautiful is healthy and life-affirming and the antitheses of oppression.
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Dede Eagleburger
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12:03 PM on 07/22/2011
thank you! My friends (the true ones) have always complimented me on my fashion sense and vice versa. I would never tell them to wear heels if flats or tennis shoes would be better suited - just as they know I wear heels and dress up to survive in the workplace.
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April Pells
08:10 PM on 07/20/2011
I totally disagree with most of what is written here. When I find an item to be uncomfortable, I know that it is the item that is wrong for me, not the other way around. The clothes that don't fit me weren't made for me.

Why on earth would I criticize my friends for their choices? How is that empowering exactly? Now, maybe if I was shopping with them and they asked for my opinion on the matter, certainly I'd provide it. But, picking on their purse or shoes is not going to enlighten them-it's just going to piss them off.

I do, however, agree regarding pockets. I am delighted by the influx of skirts and dresses with pockets in stores lately.
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Kathleen Shimp
Artist, cats, a bit ill, 40ish
07:43 PM on 07/23/2011
Totally totally.
It's especially not empowering to assume the same things feel comfortable for all shapes and sizes!
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AnaM
07:43 PM on 07/20/2011
I've reached the point in my life where I've had enough of the political correctness about fashion and the way people fawn over fashion designers and clothing manufacturers who treat women like second class citizens.
Where I live, there are no standard clothes sizes and haven't been for decades. You try one a size across a range of stores and will find that the sizing differs in ways that can only drain the self esteem that you've started the day with.
I'd like to say that I can consciously acknowledge a body area I'm content with, when out shopping for clothes, but I'm unable to. There is no part that I find enjoyable (in terms of shopping). Shopping for dresses is annoying. Underwear, brassieres especially, is a nightmare (there is no real comfortable underwear). Life is all about 'squeezing' into the right thing, irrespective of whether or not I add or lose pounds. Even when women do lose weight, they have to find the right fit, and most trends focus on the stick insect waistless body type (low rise jeans, in my mind, define misogyny). The way the clothing industry is, especially with manufacturers outsourced to Asia (whose standards don't even conform to European standards), it's impossible for women (especially women from cultures that are not biologically/physically small) to be content.
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Kathleen Shimp
Artist, cats, a bit ill, 40ish
07:59 PM on 07/23/2011
Low rise jeans, when they have enough stretch, tend to be the type that feel most comfortable on me because of a very short torso. And I have a butt. A big one. That's why I need the stretch, but the normal, let alone high, waists end up pushing into my ribcage when I sit. So, your misogyny is my comfort. Unless you mean the sizing of most brands, or actually mean low rise skinnies specifically (and even then, if there's more than 3 or 4 % spandex, and they go bigger than a jrs 13 it works OK for me...), or something...
I keep saying over and over, there is no evil or misogynist style of clothing. Women's bodies have so many more variables than men's, that no matter what shape is the standard great numbers of women will be discontented.
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neighborhoodmole
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07:43 PM on 07/20/2011
LL Bean actually offers a lot of basic, practical and comfortable clothes. Unfortunately, they all seem to be imported. The best revolt against fashion is to buy a sewing machine and learn to make your own clothes, then it will fit perfectly and be the exact color and style you want. Many sewing machine shops offer classes, it can be a fun hobby as well as a money saver!
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Esmerelda Foofypants
Corporate feudalism can suck it.
07:09 PM on 07/20/2011
A year ago, I developed several disorders that prevent me from wearing normal clothes: I can't wear anything that's even the tiniest bit snug around my torso, and high heels are out as well. I'm basically stuck wearing drawstring sweatpants and t-shirts all the time, even for my office job. (I have a couple dresses that work, and would like to acquire more, but that's financially not an easy thing for me to do, what with medical expenses and all.)

I MISS THE HELL OUT OF DRESSING UP. Wearing my sexy, beautiful clothes and heels made me so happy. The discomfort of pantyhose or a form-fitting outfit has never once made me feel negatively about my body.

Try wearing the equivalent of pajamas day in and day out, even in a professional environment, and see what it does to your self-esteem. I bet the author of this article would be singing a different tune if she were in my shoes.
06:48 PM on 07/20/2011
I can only hope that high heels for men do come back, and that they get stuff like skirts (not "utilikilts" or the like), dresses and leggings... poor guys don't have anything near the fashion choices that women have in abundance.
06:31 PM on 07/20/2011
Men aren't really that much more sensible. The man's necktie is sillier even than high heels - but I admit it causes less damage. Belted pants aren't exactly the height of comfort either - as anyone who has worn a jump suit or suspenders knows. Perhaps someday we will be more sensible. But I wouldn't count on it.
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Kathleen Shimp
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08:21 PM on 07/23/2011
I know you're talking about men, but ooh don't get me started on the impracticality of jumpsuits for women with small bladders.... if you've got a big, strong one, go for it, just don't insist it would be good for me, too. As for suspenders, well, boobs.
05:56 PM on 07/20/2011
I love pockets!
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Sister Bluebird
05:42 PM on 07/20/2011
I love my wide feet. I despise shoe manufacturers for assuming that all women have narrow feet. If I could I would barefoot most of the time, regardless of season.

I also am annoyed with people who design women's clothes in general. I have broad shoulders and big boobs. But I am not big enough all the way around to wear a lot of plus sizes, too big in the wrong areas to wear those smaller shirts.

I have a long hip to waist ratio too. A lot of pants are too short in that area and do not fit my long frame.

So what this means? I wear a lot of mens clothes with flip flops if I wear shoes at all. I wish I were thinner and I am working on that. But my proportions--the actual way that my frame is, isn't going to change that much even with the extra weight gone. I will still have broad shoulders. I will still have large breasts, I will still have long arms, long waist, and wide feet and large wrists and ankles.

I like my body, I am not impressed with what passes for fashion, nor with the quality of clothing made available to women.
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neighborhoodmole
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07:38 PM on 07/20/2011
Have you considered taking up sewing as a hobby? That way, you can make your own outfits that will fit you perfectly and will be better made and wear longer than the cheaply made crap that is all imported. If you have more money than time, you can also hire a seamstress to make some clothes for you.
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Sister Bluebird
02:27 AM on 07/21/2011
Sewing was never my forte. Besides I do enough. I also don't like the job the roofers did on the porch, but I am not going to learn how to hang shingles. Sometimes I think that I must be an expert in everything in order to get anything good. It's really quite exhausting--that sort of life.
05:06 PM on 07/20/2011
ROTFLMAO

I guess I am ahead of my time.

Many years ago....I decided if something was tight, uncomfortable, or (horrors) hurt, I was NOT going to wear it.

That was over 40 years ago and I NEVER regretted my choice.

BTW....I also lament the lack of pockets and try to buy shorts and pants with pockets to put my stuff in.
I rarely use a pocketbook.
For (shopping) outings I often use a small "wallet" with a string around my neck.
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Sister Bluebird
05:44 PM on 07/20/2011
I have a wallet. Purses are for loosing, or loosing stuff in. If I have that much stuff with me, then I am probably carrying a small day-pack with kids in tow.