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West Meets East: Confucius and Bertrund Russell

Posted: 08/15/11 07:04 PM ET

The English philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) describes the outlook of the mature intellectual -- from his point of view, an atheist, staring into the void -- as "heroic fatalism." The void, so described, is not the Buddhist Void (sunyata), but the void created by the intellectual knowledge humanity has acquired through empirical observation of ourselves, the world around us and ultimately the cosmos stretching into infinity both as macrocosm and microcosm.

Why heroic fatalism? Because our knowledge of ourselves and the world, measured and established by the standards of analytic philosophy, not religious belief, has done little to substantiate alternative realities, metaphysical planes, an altered consciousness or a host of varieties on the theme of a substratum of "God" at work in the universe.

Instead, measured by empirical standards, we face what seems only the bleakest of ends. Our sun is destined to die and with it the earth will freeze and life will cease to exist. Not a particularly optimistic stance for our future!

If we attribute any significance to human existence, significance in the "larger scheme of things," then surely any thoughtful person will consider for a moment that all accomplishments of humankind are destined to cease to exist by the simple physical reality of the evolving nature of the cosmos. This perspective is analytic philosophy in company with an empirical world view.

So why heroic fatalism? For Russell it is an act of human courage to face such odds with certain knowledge of the demise of all we know. Yet we get up each morning, we read the newspaper, have our coffee and go about our lives. To Russell, such actions are not simply courageous, but heroic!

And what would Confucius say?

I asked this very issue of Okada Takehiko, scholar of Confucianism, in my interviews with him some years ago, recorded in my book, "The Confucian Way of Contemplation, Okada Takehiko and the Tradition of Quiet-Sitting" (1988). His answer has not left me in the intervening years.

Okada responded by quoting Confucius when asked about death. Confucius said that we do not know life, how can we know death (Analects XI:11) That Okada took this particular passage from the Confucian Analects as his response to my question about a radical atheist construction of the meaning of the world and humanity in the 20th century is a fascinating exegetical interpretation and adaptation to a contemporary concern.

The meaning that Okada sought from Confucius suggests the capacity of the Confucian tradition to address issues of modernity, not unlike every other major religious tradition. As old as are the roots of religious traditions, there is a voice that resonates to our most pressing contemporary concerns!

Some will say such a voice is irrelevant today, that religion only ever sought to answer questions not yet addressed by the "certain knowledge" of empiricism. As such, so some will argue, the time of religion is passed. But religious traditions will respond by suggesting that whatever the issue, there is a response in the foundation of the tradition, because the tradition represents something that is in itself without temporal or spatial limitations.

Thus, to the heroic fatalism of Bertrand Russell, there is not a religious tradition that does not have a response to the radical atheism it represents. And even with all their differences in theology and ontology, there is still the sense in which a religious tradition, be it Christian, Buddhist or Confucian, will come back and challenge Russell's most basic assumption that the universe is meaningless.

As the great Hegel scholar W. T. Stace (1886-1967) said, a religion can deal with any theology, any cosmology, any biology, any geology -- what it cannot deal with is a world and a universe without meaning and purpose.

The challenge of a Russell is met then by an argument almost universally held by all religious traditions for purpose in life and in the world and universe we know. Teleology, even Confucian teleology, takes the place of meaninglessness, of a world conceived through random and capricious acts and catalysts.

And to Okada's response: Why is Confucius' statement of the importance of life over the question of death an answer to Russell's heroic fatalism?

Confucius suggests that we do not yet know the meaning of life, and thus we hold open the possibility of greater knowledge, of limitless if not infinite knowledge. We do not yet know enough to say that the world is without purpose, that it is merely random and capricious. The only thing that is random and capricious is a conclusion suggesting such a state!

Foundational to Okada's argument is the opening passage of the Analects where Confucius says, "To learn and at due times to repeat what one has learned," reminding ourselves that, for Confucius, learning must never cease.

While some religious traditions draw closure upon truth claims from closure upon learning, with Confucius there remains an openness that discourages the absolute claims of a religious fundamentalism. Ironically, Russell's challenge of heroic fatalism is met by Confucius' emphasis upon the continuous and open nature of learning. Could this Confucian perspective on learning be the reason for Russell's great admiration of Chinese thought after his visit to China in the early 20th century?

 
 
 
 
 
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04:29 AM on 08/23/2011
TORTOISE (Hinduism) and DRAGON (Taoism) are symbols for ENERGY or WAVE, both are analog with MAGEN DAVID (Judaism). "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is the metaphor, also seven times circling around the Ka'ba and oscillating in the Sa'i during the Hajj.
"A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME - From the Big Bang to Black Hole" by Stephen W. Hawking is the best scientific interpretation of AL QUR'AN by a non believer. It is also a “genuine bridge stone” for comprehensive study of Theology. Surprise, this paradox is a miracle and blessing in disguise as well. So, it should be very wise and challenging for Moslem scholars to verify my discovery.
NeoSUFI visionary strategic thinking.
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HeevenSteven
20 Minutes into the future.
09:59 AM on 08/18/2011
Why does meaning need to come from out there? Why not in here?
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
11:10 AM on 08/18/2011
Exactly! We could do fine creating meaning.
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
02:59 PM on 08/17/2011
"Analytic philosophy" is not a monolithic movement, by any stretch. It is thus that I prefer reading Wittgenstein, Feyerbend, and Rorty to Russell any day of the week, as they display a much more acute awareness as to the limits of human knowledge than does Russell, who tends to uncritically echo enlightenment tropes (that is not to say that his commitment to enlightenment ideals did not have its virtues, as his anti-war activism demonstrated).
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01:06 AM on 08/17/2011
pope dawkins that brought a smile to me face. thanks for that.

maybe that selfish gene of mine just had a laugh also. :-)

we humans are an interesting species to say the least.

ALBERT EINSTEIN:
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle".
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10:10 AM on 08/16/2011
Blugger: ...our knowledge of ourselves and the world, measured and established by the standards of analytic philosophy, not religious belief, has done little to substantiate alternative realities, metaphysical planes, an altered consciousness or a host of varieties on the theme of a substratum of "God" at work in the universe.

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Sorry, there's a host of info coming out the work of theoretical physics that suggests there may well be alternate universes, some sort of super-consciousness in the universe, etc.

Russell's "heroic fatalism", reprised these days by Pope Dawkins and others is really more of a delusion than anything else.
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07:20 PM on 08/16/2011
Yeah, cause Dawkins has never heard of alternate unviverses. (Sheesh.)

And I didn't thank you, either.
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10:41 PM on 08/16/2011
I don't know what Dawkins has heard of, or what he considers possible based on today's science.

But this blugger, a Dawkinite at heart, apparently thinks that the idea of alternate universes is about as useful as the idea of Muhammed riding up to heaven on a horse.

My point is that the Dawkinites tendency to discount everything that doesn't fit into the paradigm of things quantifiable by our current low level gross instrumentation is a foolish consistency that is the hobgoblin of little minds.

It is, in fact, the same foolish consistency we see in the creationists, who choose to violate Occam's razor in order to explain away the geological data that doesn't fit their creationism models.

It is right here where reasonable atheism transmutes, like gold into lead, into militant atheism, a religion with dogma just like any other.

You're welcome, once again.
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Nate35
09:57 AM on 08/16/2011
Simply because humanity is doomed, as Russell noted, does not mean its existence is meaningless. Mankind is capable of dictating meaning on its own, religious entities are unnecessary and very often a hindrance in this process.
09:22 AM on 08/16/2011
Confucians codified the proper relationships between human being through his obervations of human behaviors. He believed boiling it down, humans are basically the same and good. The answer is in looking in your true self. He does not ask why humans are good, etc. Christianity has become doctrines and tries to answer the why's through human's relationship with God, explained in the Biblical stories. The Budhist believes that all the doctrines are tools to serve the void and they are not the end itself. What is behind the doctrines is a void that is formless, which one can derive love, non-violence and compassion to each other and to accept each other's doctrines.
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03:01 PM on 08/17/2011
Confucius was the first empiricist.
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08:53 AM on 08/16/2011
Religion doesn’t answer our big questions about the meaning of life. It doesn’t clarify or instruct, it separates us and deludes us. It starts with philosophical ideas and feelings and calcifies into certainty and “knowledge.” People with different “knowledge” are heathens. Atheism becomes “radical atheism,” a threatening alien thing.

I especially like the equating of Christianity with Buddhism and Confucianism. Normally, Christianity wouldn’t be caught dead in the same sentence with Buddhism or Confucianism, but if it is to be recast as a free and easy quest for the meaning of life, its usual cohorts of Judaism and Islam don’t help.

Bertrand Russell was right. Living with religious certainty, with dubious answers and knowledge is an easy path to finding meaning. Creating meaning for ourselves with a clear-eyed perspective on reality takes guts.
08:44 AM on 08/16/2011
This is the best Huff religion post I've read because it comes closest to giving freedom from religion. I know very little about the principals but I am familiar with the principles. This is a brief introduction to the short analysis contained in the links below.

The "void" isn't a modern concept as Russell seems to suggest. It was discovered when 'Eve' first asked "Why am I?" and gave birth to humanity. 'Adam' responded and gave birth to religious/philosophical reactions to the void. I call the first "Why am I?" the last why because it will remain unanswered. Our existence since 'Adam' and 'Eve' is a history of our reactions to the void.

Today our reactions to the void blend complementary amounts of the "ideal" and either the "absolutely restrictive" or the "absolutely permissive". With the "absolutely restrictive reaction" we try to fill the void. The "absolutely permissive reaction" is giving up. The "ideal" is reaching out to the limits of our capacities, to others and to God" which if I understand your introduction to him, might be similar to the thought of Confucius. http://www.thelastwhy.ca/poem/ http://www.thelastwhy.ca/poems/2006/9/26/god.html
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05:44 PM on 08/16/2011
"This is the best Huff religion post I've read because it comes closest to giving freedom from religion."

Imagine if Richard Dawkins ever posted here. The joint would be up for grabs.
06:41 PM on 08/16/2011
There is a difference between being free from religion and being an atheist. If Dawkins posted here all the skeptics would line up on his side, all the antiskeptics would line up on the other side and humanity would be diminished even more by the conflict. I am on neither side. I prefer to wonder. If I could just convince those on either side to join me, humanity might yet survive. :) http://www.thelastwhy.ca/poems/2011/6/29/dalai-lama-pope-et-al.html
06:07 AM on 08/16/2011
In the Confucius tradition the Golden rule is between human beings, and morality is to look into one's heart. In the Christian tradition, the "Golden" rule between one and one's neighbor is based on one's relationship with God. Bernard Russell deals with empirical, objective and logical aspect of the human knowledge and Confucius deals with the manual and internalization of learning, including honesty/sinecerety, revisitation knowledge acquired; and how to treat fellowmen in knowledge about human nature: like loyalty, trustworthiness for an ideal society. So they are on different parts of the spectrum of knowledge acquisition.
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04:21 AM on 08/16/2011
Philosophers ask questions with little to offer in truth seeking contrary to what a thesaurus states. One could spend their lives in philosophy and understand little about life and its meaning and purpose. But their questions sounds profound and full of wisdom. It is seldom profound nor wise.

Research with questions can reveal much to the seeker but there is a catch. The seeker must be a sincere seeker. This requires observing one’s own intellect from a distance. Few do it; is just too painful to view our ego intellect as an objective observer.

It almost always takes a significant emotional event to observe this egotistical mode of being in the world. And a religious conversion is about more beliefs not sincere seeking and this conversion fails to observe our fragile egos.

To do research as a materialist or with a religious paradigm even as a philosopher is not research; it is seeking confirmation of our existing beliefs and paradigms. Philosophers have an agenda. Personalism.

Neither the philosopher nor the materialist including the religious can understand this aspect of sincere seeking. Each one believes that they are indeed truth seekers; their ego knows better, but is not about to reveal that aspect of their personality to them.

Until we are able somehow someway to go back to almost zero knowledge, we live in a kind of delusional state.

Now let the personal attacks begin. I.e. ego thing; as it a common defensive mode of being in the world.
06:49 AM on 08/16/2011
The philosphers in the past are mostly irresponsible, I might add mostly in the West, because you are talking about university professors and hermits. The Chinese philosophers mostly came in the Spring and Autumn period when the nation was divided and in chaos. The philosophers travel to different countries to propose their ideas to the leaders on how to rule. So it is more practical.
But the few methods philosophers did reflect contributed a great deal to the advancement in society, such as logic, abstractions, dialectics...
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OtayPanky
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01:21 AM on 08/16/2011
"West Meets East: Confucius and Bertrund Russell"

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I'm pretty sure it's Bertrund Mussel.
11:59 PM on 08/15/2011
DAE is absolutely right about life's meaning being found in living. meaning, morality, and most other things we think of as being impossible without religion have been demonstrated to be quite possible despite the absence of god and religion. we do indeed have existentialists to thank for that. it's also painful to see hegel's name tossed into this mix. frederick copleston knew quite a bit about hegel too (and pretty much everything else about the history of philosophy). he complained that the closest one could say hegel ever came to supporting some traditional idea of god is the name he attributed to the synthesis of subjectivity and objectivity in his system - absolute spirit. copleston called it some ghost which was dignified only by the name spirit.
10:11 PM on 08/15/2011
I don't know why life has to be eternal to be meaningful. The only explanation I can think of is some ancient desire to survive, that has evolved deep within our psyche.
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11:01 AM on 08/16/2011
How else to get slaves and starving peasants to bear their burdens without murdering the master than to contrive an eternity in paradise that awaits them if they follow the master's rules. That's the dubious "meaning of life" that religion provides. It's the proto It Gets Better project, but with a promise of happiness and meaning that rely on magic.
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08:38 PM on 08/15/2011
There is no real contradiction between Russell and Confucius. I would in fact say they are complementary to one another (and I would think they would be complimentary to one another as well). It is a mistake to think of Confucianism as a religion. It is an ethical philosophy and as such has much more in common with modern Humanism than any theistic religion. Confucius is not worshiped but venerated, there is a big difference. Now it is true that in the folk tradition of Chinese ancestor worship, Confucius is frequently invoked as a protector or benefactor, but he is not regarded as a deity per se. The founder's of the enlightenment were in fact very influenced by the secular, good governance model of Confucianism and thought it to be a good moral substitute for ecclesiastical absolutism.

As regards the meaning of life and death, meaning is to be found in living, as any good existentialist will tell you. And death, in that it entails the cessation of life, is devoid of meaning.* That is I think the true sense in which the quote "未知生 焉知死? should be taken. A moral being set adrift in an amoral universe is a truly an heroic figure and must be a fatalist to boot, as was Confucius.

* The act of death, however, that is, how one dies, can be replete with meaning, not for those who died but for those who continue to live afterwards