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Octomom: Her Children, Her Choice and Our Responsibility

Posted: 05/08/2012 4:58 pm

Last week, the Associated Press reported that Nadya Suleman, a.k.a. Octomom, has run into some serious financial trouble. Apparently, she has amassed $1 million in debt to a range of creditors -- including her parents. It's also reported that she may have to resort to doing a porn movie in order to make ends meet.

For anyone one who has followed Ms. Suleman's saga over the last three years, none of this should be a surprise. She has made a series of troubling and unwise choices, most notably her decision to have 14 children with no apparent financial means to support them. Alas, actions have consequences, and although one can choose their actions, no one can choose the consequences of their actions.

You might recall that much of the initial reporting about Suleman's decision to have octuplets was positive, even glowing. Our culture tends to respond to these kinds of "scientific miracle" stories like proud 3-year-olds showing our adoring parents a new skill, boasting, "Look what we can do!"

But the tone of the news stories soon turned negative, even vicious, as reports surfaced that Ms. Suleman was a jobless single mother with six more young children who subsisted on a combination of welfare checks, food stamps and student loans. The situation got even worse after a widely seen interview of Ms. Suleman by NBC's Ann Curry. Ms. Suleman reportedly even received death threats.

Why were (and are) so many so incensed by this situation? Is it because children are involved? Maybe, but there certainly have been worse stories that involved children. Maybe it is because Ms. Suleman does not have the money to support her family. Possibly, but could one really make that case in this season of billion-dollar bailouts?

No, I believe the real issue is that Ms. Suleman has been smugly putting in our collective faces something about ourselves that we do not want to see and refuse to acknowledge. Ms. Suleman's story exposes the fact that for the last few decades, our culture has been carefully constructing a modern-day "Tower of Babel" in celebration of "personal choice," especially in matters related to sex.

We have constructed this tower brick by brick -- one brick to unlink marriage from childbearing, another to unlink fatherhood from family life. We have been on a march to climb our tower without taking the time to consider the consequences.

Worse yet, any courageous soul who dares to try and stop us on our "upward" march is shoved from the tower, sans parachute, as an example for others.

Ms. Suleman, a learned product of our culture, knows our dilemma well, or at least got her money's worth from the many PR consultant who have coached her. For example, when Ms. Curry asked, "Why is it responsible for a single woman without a job... to have eight more children?" Ms. Suleman responded, "Yes, I have chosen to be single... If there is a couple... just together, why are they exempt from being called irresponsible?"

When Ms. Curry queried why her fertility specialist, who knew that she already had six children, transferred so many embryos, Ms. Suleman responded, "It's a subject of choice... so he did not judge me. [He was] Very professional."

Even when Ms. Curry tried to challenge Ms. Suleman by suggesting that children need a father, Ms. Suleman had all the right answers. She said, "I absolutely believe that. And they do have a father."

The problem is that Ms. Suleman, like many others, has chosen to view fatherhood as merely a biological transaction. In a culture where choice trumps all, who can "cast the first stone" at a woman who undervalues the need for children to have a physically and emotionally present father in their lives? This is despite reams of social science research that support the fact that children need involved dads.

In short, the more Ms. Curry tried to turn the mirror on Ms. Suleman, the more the mirror was turned back on the culture that produced her.

Indeed, the truth is that choices are never personal; they are always communal. Her children are our responsibility, too -- your tax dollars pay for the programs that support her choices. Ms. Suleman's story illustrates that in our politically correct, choice-saturated culture, there are more and more things that you dare not say. However, the problem is that there are fewer and fewer things that you dare not do.

Roland C. Warren is president of National Fatherhood Initiative (NFI) (www.fatherhood.org). NFI is the nation's largest non-profit organization promoting the importance of involved, responsible, and committed fathers, and is the #1 provider of fatherhood skill-building resources.

 
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Last week, the Associated Press reported that Nadya Suleman, a.k.a. Octomom, has run into some serious financial trouble. Apparently, she has amassed $1 million in debt to a range of creditors -- incl...
Last week, the Associated Press reported that Nadya Suleman, a.k.a. Octomom, has run into some serious financial trouble. Apparently, she has amassed $1 million in debt to a range of creditors -- incl...
 
 
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Julietjeske
NY based comedian
03:40 AM on 05/14/2012
As long as humans have sent men off to war, we have had single mothers. They are also many single mothers would never thought they would end up alone. Two of my best friends growing up were essentially abandoned by their fathers. Their mothers never had much of a choice in the matter, they weren't single mothers by choice. So these problems have existed as long as humans have existed. Someone like Nadya was only able to be this extreme thanks to technology and advances in fertility treatments. Had she not had IVF there is no way she could have had 14 children in this amount of time, or a multiple pregnancy like that. Plus had she been forced to get pregnant without anonymous sperm donors, she would have had to have gotten knocked up by hapless men. Any of which could have legally fought for parental rights for those children, if they were conceived in a traditional sense. Her problems arose from not just her own narcissism, but technology.
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Bluelynx
11:09 AM on 05/10/2012
Let us not blame "the culture" for Octo's series of poor decisions. Octo is clearly self-obsessed, sees nothing wrong with being supported by others, and given another place/time, might even make worse decisions. She is acting like a child herself in her constant bids for attention. A responsible society would not leave her alone with any child, much less fourteen of them.
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10:55 AM on 05/10/2012
This is a great point! We live in a huge country. Her children are our nation's children. We should love and help her so that her children have a fighting chance. At this point she could probably use a personal financial consultant and a frugal mom to help her get organized and live on a limited income. I can help with babysitting. Anyone else?
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bellestarr21445
Too soon old...too late wise.
08:05 PM on 07/03/2012
Make that a big NO. She has been given help from numerous sources - Dr. Phil who arranged for 24/7/365 caretakers for all 14 of the children and special help for the 3 older ones who are developmentally disabled. She 'fired' the volunteers because the head nurse objected to having Radar Online in the baby's nursery at all hours - keeping in mind these were medically fragile preemies. He arranged for the half million dollar house she was renting to be completely remodeled, from special thermal windows to special floor coverings, a completely furnished nursery, new appliances, everything that would make the house comfortable and practical for a family of 14 young children. If you could see it now, you would puke. Every wall and door has large holes in them. The bottom half of the walls have crayon scribbling on them and the top half of the walls are tagged with spray paint, done by her 10 year old son to vent his frustration. He also tagged the back of the house and the fence surrounding the backyard. The once pristine kitchen is missing most of the lower cabinet doors because the older kids open them and use them for standing on to reach the upper cabinets. Dr. Phil announced on his show that he was washing his hands of her. Dr. Drew, Suze Orman and Oprah helped her. When Dr. Drew interviewed her last week, he told her she had 'burned him out'.
08:02 PM on 05/09/2012
There's no doubt in my mind that Suleman has some mental issues. What single woman with 6 kids wants 8 more children? She said she did it out of some sort of loneliness as a child. Does that sound sane?

I was angry with all the other Americans about the irresponsible choice she made. However, now its time for people to circle the wagons around this mother and help her with her children. Suleman is financially and emotionally overwhelmed. Did anyone see the inside of the house on TV? It was a zoo--holes in walls, etc. It is time to pull the community together and help her. Mental health is first then helping her with producing productive children.
10:02 PM on 05/09/2012
Harriet, I don't believe in circling the wagons around an irresponsible adult who made selfish choices at the rather hefty expense of taxpayers and of her own children. I believe in circling the wagons around the children. As in: get them out of there, and into capable, structured, caring homes where each child will get enough individual attention and discipline. Even Suleman's own mother urged her to put the octuplets up for adoption as newborns, but Suleman refused. I am far less concerned about Suleman's feelings in this matter, than the children's well-being.
02:36 PM on 06/20/2012
I agree that those without sin should throw the first stone...and I even agree that some should "circle the wagons" and help. Unfortunately, she does not allow help. Remember all those TV stars, and non-profits offering help? I understand if things went sideways, but Dr. Phil and Dr. Drew and a bunch of others have offered nanny's and housing and counselors and so much more that she has refused because she didn't want the "strings" attached...accountability. What she does not seem mentally capable of understanding is that porn has its own set of strings. The worst of her bad choices was not having the kids...it was refusing help and continuing to make poor choices. I think she has some mental issues AND has some people around her giving her VERY bad counsel. Instead of booking her in strip clubs and porn (and making a fast buck off her) they should be getting her to accept REAL help for her and her kids....its tragic to watch.
04:27 PM on 05/09/2012
Mr Warren has got be a very brave man, coming in here and seeming to criticize taxpayer funded 'personal choices'. Hope you are good at ducking the verbal barrage coming your way.
04:10 PM on 05/09/2012
The reason Suleman's decision to have fourteen children has created such an uproar is
because our culture sees birth as an important and tender subject. Suleman chose to have an
unmanageable amount of children. If she already had six children, she surely knew the
responsibility that even one baby requires. If she knew this, then how could she have imagined
being capable of single handedly taking care of fourteen?

Our culture emphasizes the importance of caring and loving the people we bring into the world.
One mother could not possibly provide all the attention and care that a baby needs to fourteen.
Taking care of even one baby is a job by itself, leaving no time for a career that brings in money
to support that baby. Suleman must have known this, already having six children, and so the
idea of having eight more seem irrational and unthought out.

At the same time, if women have the choice to get rid of their babies before they are born, they
should also have the choice to have an unnatural amount of children. Abortion, however, is a
rational and mature decision made by women who understand the responsibility and time a baby
would require. Women who choose abortion understand that they are not capable of handling
that responsibility. Suleman's decision, in comparison, seems unreasonable. But who are we to
judge? Suleman probably loves all of her fourteen babies tremendously, and if that is true, then
she is not completely in the wrong.
10:06 PM on 05/09/2012
Julianna, I agree that people are angry partly because they know that a single mother cannot possibly properly nurture 14 children so close to each other in age. Another related factor is the financial angle. Responsible adults make their family decisions based on their ability to provide food, clothing, shelter, transportation, medical care, schooling, and all those other expensive things that go along with child-rearing. Suleman was "providing" largely by dumping her first six on her parents in their little 3-beroom home, and fooling herself about her ability to care for even more children once her parents were sucked dry.
04:02 PM on 05/09/2012
"Ms. Suleman's story exposes the fact that for the last few decades, our culture has been carefully constructing a modern-day "Tower of Babel" in celebration of "personal choice," especially in matters related to sex."

Ha! Warren is trolling. What Warren is basically saying is: you (radical feminists) have made this bed (of reproductive freedom), now sleep in it! Absolutely hilarious trolling. No, not everyone is going to make great decisions, and when they don't and make such spectacularly bad decisions as bearing and raising 14 children on your own with almost no financial support other than from the state, we are allowed as a society to shake our collective heads and sigh.
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Julietjeske
NY based comedian
03:43 AM on 05/14/2012
Men have always done this. I knew one man who openly bragged about having 15 children with 5 different women. I once asked him to name all 15. He couldn't. It's not as if the player types who love getting women pregnant always stick around to help raise them once they are born.
02:36 PM on 05/09/2012
Great article. She is clearly dealing with some very real mental illness issues. I can not understand how the "doctor" didn't lose his license. He clearly knew she had issues and was not in the mental state to properly care for 1 child let alone 8. Plus he knew she already at 6!
04:26 PM on 05/09/2012
Isn't the doctor in a lose-lose scenario there?
He probably knew she had issues, but who is he to decide right? Isn't this the whole point of the article? If he'd said no, or refused to implant more embryos wouldn't he have been opening himself up to claims of discrimination? Probably spearheaded by a well funded feminist group claiming to be "appalled by this assault on a woman's reproductive rights and her right to 'choose'..."
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goodguy66
10:01 PM on 05/10/2012
yes, the doc was in a lose-lose situation, mikey, you're correct. Octo refused to continue to pay to store them embryos yet she also refused to allow the clinic to destroy them, so the only choice she left her doc with was implantation, which she insisted upon. The whole business of fertility medicine has gotten way out of hand. We refuse to accept a diagnosis of infertility, believing that everyone has the right to be a biological parent. Nature did not intend this; so we screw with Mother Nature at our own peril and occasionally pull out a rotting, fetid plum like the Octomom.
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DanielaFearless
Don't P on my head & tell me it's raining.
02:02 PM on 05/09/2012
I'm glad I don't live in California. I'd be one angry taxpayer.
01:20 PM on 05/09/2012
The jerk in me says that if the state was supporting her first six children, and she went out and purposely had more, she should not recieve more benefits...but that's only hurting the children. Ms. Suleman did what she did not for her love of kids, but because she is a narcissitic, attention-seeker who believed she would garner fame and fortune, and for the most part, the media has played right into her hand; flying her to interviews and giving her a platform to solicit herself to a porn company. No father-in-the-picture would change any of it and chances are good, given how mentally unstable this woman is, any man that would find himself with her would be just as nuts. It's just sad that her children (and taxpayers) are the victims of this woman's selfishness and desire for pseudo-celebrity status.
10:08 AM on 05/09/2012
I think the best way to understand what Mr. Warren is saying is to think of the Frankenstein story. Dr. Frankenstein created a monster that he then wanted to destroy because he did not like what he created. Our culture created the Octomom and now we want to "destroy" her because we do not like what we created. But the key difference is that Dr. Frankenstein recognized that he in fact created the monster. Our culture, on the other hand, does not realize that we in fact created the Octomom, so we simply want her to "go away" without taking the responsibility of having created her in the first place.
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goodguy66
10:02 PM on 05/10/2012
well said, Vincent.
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bellestarr21445
Too soon old...too late wise.
08:11 PM on 07/03/2012
I would like to know how we created this mentally unstable woman who readily admits that she had no discipline when growing up and always got what she wanted. If she wanted 14 kids, well that was what she was going to have and to hell with the consequences. Let someone else take care of that.
03:37 AM on 05/09/2012
Imagine how pissed off everyone would be if there were a man in the picture, not a sperm donor, but a father, and just like Nadya, the dad was an out of work student who also had no visible means of providing support for the kids. How would that make things better? I think it would make it worse, and all you have to do is watch a few episodes of Pregnant at 16, or Teenage moms to know why. If you are saying we don't value fatherhood, well, maybe that's because so many men have taught us it is not a priority to them. I must admit, I read and reread your article and still have no idea what your point is.Nadya Suleman looks to be a very mentally ill person who is incapable of being in a marriage and continues to be incapable of making good decisions. What has that got to do with fatherhood?
02:39 PM on 05/10/2012
I completely agree. Further, the inference that removing fathers from childbearing is bringing down society is completely neglecting the media-focused, self-indulgent propensities in our culture that are more realistically reflected in her decisions. She could just as easily, in fact MORE easily, have had 14 children with a man more intimately involved…the chance of octuplets is the only thing that would have been less likely to occur.
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goodguy66
10:09 PM on 05/10/2012
I agree with you, kidsleep. So called "radical feminists" aren't the reason (or at least the sole reason) we've arrived at this wild west, anything goes approach to bringing kids into the world. Negligent men who refuse to live up to their role, responsibility as someone's dad are also part of the problem, as are women who think they can create a whole, functional family with nothing more than a sperm donation. Child support awards and laws have also been terribly negatively affected by this push-pull craziness. Some women say they don't need "help" from dad financially or otherwise, while other women understandably balk at a father's absolute obligation being characterized as "help". Is he babysitting the kids or is he taking care of them like any good parent should? Both men and women need to acknowledge their bad behavior when it comes to building and tearing apart the family unit. If it takes two to make the kid, it stands to reason that it's best if two (at least) are involved in raising the kid. Men should not be peripheral to the lives of their own children.
02:39 AM on 05/09/2012
I think people were mostly pissed because she was already using government assistance and further added to the financial burden of the taxpayers. Also we all pretty well realize that she did it on purpose and it shows she has mental instability.
11:38 PM on 05/08/2012
If her fertility specialist was so very professional, why exactly did he lose his licence then?

And I certainly don't agree with her lifestyle choices being OUR responsibility. If you can't afford that many children then simply don't have them. Especially when you already have 6 that are living on handouts and welfare.
09:55 AM on 05/09/2012
Becoming pregnant with what Ms Suleman claimed to be an attempt at just one more child was irresponsible, considering she was not taking care of the first six children she already had but was living with her mother providing little to no support. Angela Suleman was quoted saying her daughter would "stop in" bearing gifts, occasionally giving $20.00 for food.. During this time Nadya Suleman was receiving food stamps, workers comp checks and student loans..loans she claimed were used to support her family not her education.
A lack of a father in the picture is just one of the problems surrounding this sage. Ms Suleman claimed to have been injured at work leading to $160,000.00 in payment yet there are pictures of her giving her children horsy back rides, she also became pregnant once again.
This mess is riddled with scams against the government, private companies and individuals. Do I think having a father around would have changed anything, no..Ms Suleman shows no respect for her own father why would the father(s) be any different.
I do agree these children are crying out for a male role model but the reason we are not seeing the father is, in my opinion, there is not ONE male involved as she claims but many sperm donors.
Fathers make a big difference in a child's life but in this case I don't think it would have made a difference.
03:18 AM on 05/10/2012
Are you that clueless. He did lose his license months and months ago. He was in a very public trial and lost everything...his practice, his livelihood, and has declared bankruptcy. You obviously don't follow this story or read the news, so why comment?
04:09 AM on 05/10/2012
Well, I can obviously read slightly better than you can. Have another look at the comment I posted. I've put it below again so it's easier for you:

"If her fertility specialist was so very professional, why exactly did he lose his licence then?"

Where in there does it say he's still practising - I specifically asked why did he LOSE his licence. Albeit with a touch of sarcasm, which you may have also missed.