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Rory Fitzgerald

Rory Fitzgerald

Posted: April 16, 2010 09:17 PM

Richard Dawkins and Atheist Crimes


For many years now Richard Dawkins has been working like a demon, you might say, to discredit all belief in God. He has now said that he wants to have the Pope arrested when he comes to Britain for later this year for covering up "crimes against humanity".

Most atheists I know are great people, sticking to the truth as they see it. Most also remain open to new possibilities and acknowledge that they are not entirely omniscient, and are respectful to those who think differently to themselves.

Dawkins, however, often seems to have only contempt for the majority of human kind who, unlike him, do believe in the spiritual. His selective campaigning about political issues makes me wonder: is he really an objective seeker of truth, or is he someone who just hates and wants to undermine Judaeo-Christian principles?

Dawkins has many times tried to say that Einstein was not spiritual in the way most people understand it. Yet Einstein said this:

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."

Here is perhaps the most important scientist of all time, with an incredibly profound mind, but with the humility to acknowledge how feeble and frail the human mind really is. Our universe is far from explained and the more our scientific knowledge increases, the more mysterious our reality seems to be. It is untrue to say that the settled explanation of our universe is that it is a meaningless accident that functions solely on mechanistic principles.

Richard Dawkins has become a sort of Messiah for some atheists. He is an evolutionary biologist. I'm not sure why he feels that expertise in such an arcane field gives him authority to pronounce on spiritual questions. But, if biologists hold the keys to heaven, people may wish to consider the thoughts of Nobel Prize winning microbiologist Werner Arber, or eminent geneticist, Francis S. Collins, who led the Human Genome Project. Both are believers in God, and both find evidence for the divine in science itself. The debate about the reality of the spiritual is fascinating and is of profound importance to human kind, but Dawkins increasingly only brings to it noise and hatred.

Dawkins is right to be angry about the awful cover up of child abuse in the Catholic Church, but he seems to have a tendency himself to be very selective in the issues he shouts about, and those he remains silent about. In that sense, he can be seen to hush up the many horrendous crimes committed by atheist ideologues in the 20th century.

Many earlier atheistic ideologies despised Jewish and Christian thinking, and were often obsessed by natural selection. The Nazi ideology, for example, was inspired in part by philosophers like Nietzsche who proclaimed that "God is dead" and that Christian morality was a "slave morality", not befitting an "uebermench". Atheistic communism, as manifested in the Soviet Union, hated religion, "the opium of the masses" and it brought about the murder of millions more in Gulags and purges.

As recently as 1979, the Cambodian genocide killed 1.7 million people. These were murdered by communist atheists. War crimes tribunals are now being set up in Phnomh Penh. The Tibetan people continue to be persecuted by an atheistic tyranny. It is perfectly reasonable to be critical of the many bad things done in the name of religion, but I don't see Dawkins loudly decrying the actions of atheists in Cambodia or Tibet. Why? Because his preference appears to be to emphasise religiously motivated barbarism over the many wrongs prompted by some atheistic ideologies.

Many now see Dawkins as something of a narrow-minded fundamentalist himself, increasingly redolent of a man with no sense of smell going around shrieking to everyone that their sense of smell is a delusion.

Perhaps Dawkins imagines that by promoting his grim personal philosophy as the ultimate truth, and by viciously attacking ancient moral systems upon which Western Civilization is founded, he will bring about some sort of atheist utopia. He seeks to magnify wrongs done by religions, and to breeze over the immense horrors brought about by some atheist belief systems. Yet we have seen what atheist utopias can look like.

Atheism is not new: the ancient Greeks knew it well, and in the 1600s Bacon said "a little philosophy inclineth a man's mind to atheism, But depth in philosophy bringeth men's mind about to religion." What is new about atheism's current incarnation is its increasing virulence and disrespect for other ways of thinking.

Yet some say this New Atheism is endangered; not necessarily philosophically, but demographically. This seems to be especially true in Europe, which is a far more secular place than the United States.

Ed West of the Daily Telegraph in the UK, recently noted that: "Across the western world the fertility rate of religious conservatives far outstrips that of non-believers, so much so that modern liberal secularism is endangered. That, anyway, is the thesis of Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?, a fascinating new book by Eric Kaufmann... It may well be one of the most significant books of our era.

"It used to be taken for granted that, just as liberal democracy meant the end of history, so it also meant the end of religion. Once people became rich, educated and sexually liberated, they left irrational beliefs and other such nonsense behind. Christianity declined steadily from the mid-19th century but it wasn't until the 1960s that European societies were able to fully abandon the emotional baggage of their civilisation's infancy, and especially its repressive attitude to sex.

"But if what Kaufmann is saying is true - and the demographic data suggests it is - then the contraceptive Pill was not so much secular Europe's liberation as its cyanide tablet... New Atheists comfort themselves with the idea that religious people will continue to drift their way, like rustics to the city, but the figures do not bear this out....

"It's happened before: Kaufmann believes that Christianity's rise from 40 followers to 6 million within three centuries had less to do with conversions that with higher birth rates, since the Christians rejected such pagan practises as polygamy and infanticide.

"Today we view the ancient world's attitude to infanticide as barbaric and incomprehensible, but perhaps future generations will look at our attitudes to abortion in the same way - that's not because pro-lifers would have won the argument, simply that (in addition to the effect of the Pill) abortion is killing the atheists of tomorrow."

Is atheism being de-selected by natural selection? The more militant New Atheists appear to have a lot in common with the more fanatical religious fundamentalists, in that both are marinated in fear and hate, posses an iron certainty that they alone are right, and seek only to mock and deride those who think differently to themselves. These people create a lot of noise, and do not contribute meaningfully to a most fascinating debate about our universe and our place in it.

The picture painted by Eric Kaufmann of future society divided clamorously between fundamentalist atheists and dogmatically religious groups is not pretty. Perhaps all sides ought to ponder Hamlet's phrase, "there are more things on heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophies." For as soon as we begin to think that we have all the answers, we are wrong, and curiosity and wonder dry up.

Yet secularisation has brought society the ability to expose the hidden actvties of religious authorities. A theocracy is as bad a place as a secular dictatorship. Both science and our shared wisdom is of profound importance to all of us. Atheists, believers, agnostics all have a huge amount to contribute to building a better society. Some of the most moral people I know are atheists, and some of the least moral are fervent believers. Neither side has a monopoly on truth or on virtue. But it is in a spirit of co-operative discourse that truth is best served, and sadly nowadays Dawkins appears to bring only discord, thereby making the truth ever more distant.

I am sure he is sincere in believing his own preaching; but in reality he cannot and does not know the ultimate truth about the universe and the nature of mankind. And history shows that societies without a shared moral compass can be deeply destructive to human life, happiness and well-being. He claims the verdict is in, but the jury is out. The only clear truth is that his cold and premature verdict can bring human beings profound suffering and despair.

Perhaps the most apposite warning for Dawkins comes from Einstein himself:

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

Dawkins seems to feel that he has unravelled the mysteries of the universe. He is not the first to suffer from that delusion, and he will not be the last. As the ape-descended Dawkins struts around imagining that he knows the workings of every dimension of an infinitely complex universe from his tiny perch on this speck of a planet, the gods, in which he disbelieves, must be laughing big time.


See here for an interesting radio debate between Richard Dawkins and David Quinn.

 

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11:25 AM on 04/17/2010
You make some good points. You also make some bad points: crimes done "in the name" of something and crimes done "by someone" are two different things. Horrors committed by theists were committed, in general, in the name of god. This is different than a theist committing a crime that has nothing to do with religion. I bring this up because the examples you use of atheists committing atrocities were not done in the name of atheism, but in the name of, for example, communism or Nazism (though the latter were not necessarily atheists). Arguably, child abuse in the church was also not done "in the name of god," but it was done using the authority that one only has because of their place in a religious institution (no one has committed atrocities because of their place in an institution BASED ON atheism--communism, for example, is based on Marxism, and isn't inherently atheistic, even if the USSR and China were) and the Pope and other church leaders did engage in cover ups of these horrors in the name of defending a religious institution.

I think some of your criticisms of Dawkins are appropriate, even if I disagree with some aspects (and I think you misunderstand Nietzsche). As someone who identifies as a postmodernist AND an atheist, my own identifications have been attacked by Dawkins, who seems to dislike postmodernism almost as much as religion. But this arguments, from which you draw the title of your pice, is flawed.
10:43 AM on 04/17/2010
I saw Dawkins in an interview recently. When asked how he would react to getting old and where death was impending, he said he'd like to just be knocked out by injection. If ever there was a sad testament to a life, then that's it. Does he not know that we are dying from the day we are conceived and born? I'm sure it's occurred to him, in those broken moments of aloneness, where we all journey to, and feel the void of a life lived for the self.

We are all journeying toward a perfection yet to be attained. Let's go there with gentleness and compassion. Let's not break all the windows on wisdom, experience, knowledge and possiblity with the stones of our ignorance.
11:49 AM on 04/17/2010
I'm sure your pity is misplaced. And you seem to be unaware of the possibility of enjoying life even without the expectation of life after death. Dawkins has spoken and written extensively about such.

Meanwhile, your second paragraph reads like an argument against religion, not for it.
10:43 AM on 04/17/2010
Right, I'm just gonna throw this out there...I hope it doesn't just bring me rage and vitriol:

There's actually no such thing as 'atheism'. It's just a name we've thrown onto anyone who's rejected the bearded guy in the sky....? A perfectly understandable argument. But, for the 'militant atheists' (who I believe RF is solely referring to!!), like Dawkins and Hitchens, I would suggest that they are people who essentially have a problem with innocence, openness of mind, and those who accept their fate? (Why are those poor people smiling and almost shining? They should be miserable...must be their selfish genes manifesting, to keep them alive in their squallor!!) They, being formerly religious (in a fundamentalist/odd manner?), may have good reason to be angry. But that's a different debate. Let's have it! We need it! But we're not getting it. All we get is polarised refusal to comprehend the 'other', from both sides. Unfortunately, it is Dawkins, Hitchens, etc, who are spearheading the refusal. And they are NOT well-versed in theology, world religions, etc. Their performances in British/European 'debates' (essentially stitch-ups) display an absolute disgust and sneer at anyone so ridiculous as to believe that 2010 science hasn't solved all of life's mysteries, which masks an anxiety and knowledge gap.

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10:32 AM on 04/17/2010
It seems to me from the gathering of quotes on Einstein that he was railing more against a very traditional personalised male figure God (prob with a beard) who sits on a cloud. Perhaps RF's quote moves Einstein's beliefs to a level too subtle for most people to handle? Why can't we see or argue beyond the 'goddamn guy in the sky'. Come on, guys! Some comments here have also muddied the waters a bit by saying 'Gods' which is a deliberate attempt to make religious believers sound primitive, ridiculous and superstitious. Not fair. This belies a neo-colonial attitude which (although surprising coming from Americans) assumes a linear progressive secular model whereby the 'atheist' west is the most advanced society, and where those who practice religion are lagging behind. This is comforting and reassuring for people, but it belies the complexities and realities of spiritual experience, practice, theology, etc, and their role within the unfolding of human life.....
10:27 AM on 04/17/2010
Nor can religious tenets be directly blamed for atrocities. Grave errors stem from human dysfunction and a misuse of religious teachings. Google the beatitudes, investigate Christ's 'new commandment', consider Christ as humanity's greatest failure. The worst King in history, executed without an heir/offspring; a pauper and outcast. Did he trump the selfish gene? Was he teaching us that the only true path to happiness is in the dissolution of self/ego? Why did he sacrifice himself just as he was getting famous, and not accept that another die in his place? He introduced a human understanding of power as self-sacrifice, reversing thousands of years of arbitrary human/animal sacrifice and self-aggrandizement. But haven't Christians been useless at understanding and living his message? Countless have failed, utterly. But their teacher forgives, knowing that humanity is more fragile than the human mind will even permit it to realise. And wouldn't his life suggest some kind of spiritual evolution? Hmm, this poses a problem to received notions of religion as static, conservative, stuck. Nope. Check out the Catholic Church's Catechism which states that man's relationship is growing and changing, with science, philosophy, divinity all having parts to play! See lines 279-314 (you have to get into the symbolic gestures):

http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/creator.html#Creator

(The universe) did not spring forth complete from the hands of the Creator. (It) was created 'in a state of journeying... toward an ultimate perfection yet to be attained...'
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10:35 AM on 04/17/2010
I'm glad you cleared that up. Here am I thinking all these years that the inquisition was religious based, silly me, and also the fact of anyone who did not conform to christianity was murdered, usually burned but whatever.Or anyone who went against what the Church believed(Gallileo, Bruno) come to mind but if I had the time and inclination, I'm sure I could muster a few million examples of the religious faction murdering and destroying everything in it's path.
10:16 AM on 04/17/2010
Atheism can be attributed to atrocities. No matter how much the atheist argument wishes to eliminate the cultural and historical contexts of religious society, from which we all emerge, the fact remains that communist, Nazi, despotic regimes reacted AGAINST a religious context. The French revolution is an example of this (priests, bishops, murdered in their thousands). So too Stalin's total hatred and attempted elimination of the Orthodox Church. These are historical realities for us to chew on.

Hitler had to validate and justify his plans by referring to God. Otherwise there would have been no 'sanction', or rhetorical power, to his work. His religiosity was a mix of twisted theology and the abuse of rhetoric to capitalise on the faith of others which, when he came to power, was gradually wiped clean. Not renouncing his Catholicism is a misnomer; he had to keep that up so as to keep Europe's Catholics at bay. But his plan was to eliminate Christianity, and create a human God equivalent in himself, with the vilification of Christianity's message of non-violence (turn the other cheek). In a Christian continent where the plan is an atheistic empire of extermination and eugenics, one could beneficially utilise and subvert religion so as to twist it to one's own ends. A Christian by title, an anti-Christian by word and deed. Like most politicians (albeit a more forceful one!!), he played to the crowd, then when he got into office, revealed his true hand.
11:17 AM on 04/17/2010
RE: Atheism can be attributed to atrocities.

Lie!

If you find any official document from any communist government which uses atheism as a justification of the atrocities they committed, please do so.

As of Nazi, "Gott mit uns" is sufficient to refute your lie.

P.S. Learn the difference between causation and correlation. It may help you in the future not look ridiculous.
11:18 AM on 04/17/2010
Nice try, but completely off-target. We all "emerge" from a religious society? That's a lie, pure and simple. We emerge as atheists, and are brainwashed our entire lives. Hitler was a God-fearing man, by the way. Hitler's "plan", as you laughingly call it, was to become as a Pope. He was just another user of religion, relying on the ignorant and fearful.
10:13 AM on 04/17/2010
I can't say I'm a fan of blatant red herrings. Dawkins and Hitchens may be at the front of this call to have the pope arrested, because they are atheists, but how are they wrong in doing so? There has been very little to no outrage over what has been done to these children and the evidence that bears Ratzinger's signature requesting the incident to be kept quiet. Dawkins is merely pointing out that the pope shouldn't be above the law just because he is the head of a religious institution. You can disagree with Dawkins and Hitchens about their views, but what they are asking for is justice. Maybe they wouldn't have to if the Catholic Church immediately responded by removing Ratzinger instead of making excuses for him and scapegoating homosexuals.
10:09 AM on 04/17/2010
I know they sound pretty Nazi, but in reality most of these opinions already exist in secular western societies!! One commenter mentioned overpopulation as a problem. Childlessness is a problem too, and sucks for a society in countless ways. Another commenter referred to a religious person drowning their baby because they were told to do so by God. Let's not mix mental illness with spirituality here. Also, widespread availability of abortions is not an agenda for religious societies...yeah, I know the unborn, being two or three inches too small, two or three weeks too young and two or three inches away from being visible in the world, are not actually human, I've heard that argument. But the drowning you talk about is happening on a grand scale across all of the most enlightened nations of this planet.

Also, it seems that if you're moral in the atheist model it's because YOU want to be. That's nice. It could also be because you'd like other humans to think you a great guy. This has many rational benefits, I'm sure. What if the rational benefits are greater for yourself, your genes, your kids, in being a total jerk? What then? Seems a bit narcissistic. You could always just subvert what being nice means, so that being a total jerk is perceived as being really nice? We see plenty of that in the world!! On a societal scale, such collective narcissism sounds pretty scary, whether it be atheistic or religiously based.
10:06 AM on 04/17/2010
Wow, RF, you cheesed some people off, big time!

In the vitriolic polarised argument of 'to religion or not to religion', which is really only a stone throwing match between rival gangs, (when you strip away all the to'ing and fro'ing, reasoning, smartness, etc), the only answer quickly becomes love and softness...lay down your arms!!... otherwise you invite the cold winds and gnashing teeth of the 'there's nothing divine about the universe until I've said so by testing it in my divinity lab!!!' as well as the 'you atheists are all murderers and God-haters' screamers you so predictably received!!

The counter arguments to RF's article are, however, a bit simplistic and a bit dismissive (having done my disclaimer I pick up my stone and join the religious gang). Atheism can indeed be attributed to atrocities, let's face it; where there is absence of a reason not to commit immoral acts (as opposed to convincing yourself you've been given the Divine right to go against the Divine will (of love and compassion) itself, which has been just as disastrous), humanity has consistently slipped into such erroneous conclusions as 'the world's overpopulated anyway', or 'they have weaker genes that would be better off eliminated anyway', or 'they're old and miserable and expensive anyway', or 'they're unwanted babies and its my body anyway'...or, hilariously 'the world could do with a good plague to make life better for us, who, with science, will have immunity to said plague'.
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09:48 AM on 04/17/2010
Cambodia?

Really?

That whole debacle can be laid directly at the foot of the US.

Equating Dawkins with the Pope is a huge stretch.

The fact the Pope is directly responsible for continued pedophilia in the Catholic Church cannot be honestly compared to random crimes perpetrated by supposed atheists.

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09:17 AM on 04/17/2010
"He has now said that he wants to have the Pope arrested when he comes to Britain for later this year for covering up "crimes against humanity"."

The RCC and their apologists have blamed their PR problem on The Victims, The Jews, The Media, and The Gays.
Now it's time for The New Atheists to take their turn, I guess.
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07:24 AM on 04/17/2010
By the way every single atheist I know personally was raised with religion. I was raised and even educated early on in the Catholic system.
07:14 AM on 04/17/2010
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06:15 AM on 04/17/2010
"But if what Kaufmann is saying is true - and the demographic data suggests it is - then the contraceptive Pill was not so much secular Europe's liberation as its cyanide tablet..."

...or a cancer medication. You seem to believe that unrestrained breeding is a virtue. But overpopulation is a major problem - especially in strongly "religious" countries. And, actually, it seems to me that birthrates decline because countries are getting richer, more civilized and better educated. Secularism is just another consequence of the same factors.

"In doing so, he often seeks to magnify the wrongs done by religions, and to breeze over the immense horrors brought about by atheist belief systems. You could even say that he is involved in a cover up that would make a Bishop blush, for we have seen what atheist utopias can look like."

It can't be considered a cover-up for two reasons:

1. These "immense horrors" are already recognized as such. Dawkins doesn't try to pretend that they never happened. He merely refuses to attribute them to atheism (which makes sense, because there is nothing about atheism that makes you kill people).

2. Dawkins has no control over other atheists. You may think that he is "a sort of Messiah for atheists", but he isn't a "Pope". You know quite well that Dawkins criticizes the Pope because he's the head of the Catholic church, not because he's a Catholic.
12:18 AM on 04/17/2010
Rory seems to think that Richard Dawkins has to defend someone, as if the actions of Pol Pot or any other mass murderer who was nominally atheist committed their crimes because they were atheist. I don't know of anyone who ever killed anyone because of atheism. RF is parroting the standard xtian sophistry that blinds itself to large swaths of historical fact to try and pin the immorality tail on the non-theist donkey (like the fact that the Communist mass movements of the 20th century were almost exclusively class related, inasmuch as their members identified with each other based on socioeconomic status, not shared religious beliefs or the lack thereof; or for every pseudo-poetic quote from Einstein which seems to suggest he was a believer, there are ten more in which he unequivocally stated that he considered the traditional conception of god as a benevolent minder of human morality inane--Einstein was obviously agnostic). He also shows a total lack of understanding about atheism itself; he refers to it as "fundamentalist", but what he fails to realize is that fundamentalists won't change their beliefs even in the face of contradictory evidence--but if you could show an atheist good evidence god(s) did exist, they would change their mind. Absent that evidence, the only reasonable position is to reject extraordinary tales of malevolent sky-fairies and the convoluted moral system that accompanies them.
12:33 AM on 04/17/2010
I keep this Einstein quote on my FB page: “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” Albert Einstein
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09:49 AM on 04/17/2010
Perfect quote.

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