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Rory Fitzgerald

Posted: February 18, 2010 03:50 PM

The West Must Stand Up for Tibet

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The Dalai Lama has led a non-violent campaign of resistance to Chinese occupation of Tibet since 1959. Tibet is not free. Therefore this campaign has not worked. This is the sad truth.

I'd love to believe that tyranny can always be overcome by peaceful protest: Non-violent resistance did help India to gain independence from Britain, but the British were leaving anyway. Try staging peaceful protests against panzer divisions, or the Chinese government. The sad reality is that all the historical evidence suggests that violent insurrection has a much better track record of achieving freedom: American independence was achieved through violent insurrection, likewise in Ireland, Haiti and many others countries.

Tibet's capital, Lhasa, is now majority Han Chinese. Beijing has for years actively settled the area with ethnic Chinese. A new rail link direct from Beijing makes settlement easier and faster. At some point, the majority of Tibet's entire population may consist of ethnic Chinese, loyal to Beijing. If this happens, there will never be a free Tibet.

The Dalai Lama's opposition to violence has given the world a powerful moral example. Perhaps it points to something greater than even a successful a war of independence: the possibility that the world's most intractable conflicts can be resolved by peaceful means. Yet Tibet may soon no longer be Tibetan, and it is not free. The Dalai Lama cannot even visit his homeland and his people.

At the White House today, President Obama meets the Dalai Lama, a fellow leader, but one in exile. Will the president speak of how the Dalai Lama's struggle resonates with Dr. King's non-violent struggle for civil rights, of which the president himself is the ultimate vindication? Will he stand shoulder to shoulder with the Dalai Lama and say "we shall overcome"; or will he say, "thanks for the photo op, but you're on your own."

For the Dalai Lama's vision to succeed, the entire Western world would have to put immense pressure on China. We would have come together and promise economic sanctions unless Tibet is given independence. For now it seems that cheap consumer durables are more important to the US and the EU than Tibetan freedom.

A free Tibet, wrested from China's tyranny by non-violent means, would have profound and lasting implications for all humanity: If Tibet became free by peaceful means, the world would know for ever that non-violence can really work.

This example would undermine those who argue for violence, it would undercut terrorism and help us as a species to get beyond war. It is not possible to overstate the implications of showing the world that non-violent resistance can really work, even against an anti-democratic tyranny.

That Tibet is not free is the West's shame, not the Dalai Lama's. The West must choose: do we want cheap gadgets or do we want a free Tibet, and with it a new era of peace for mankind.

 

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02:42 PM on 02/19/2010
Tibet was continuously part of china from 1271 until 1913 when the 13th Dalai Lama declared independence through Brits while china was mired in civil war and occupation. Prior to 1271 they were part of china off and on. The first Dalai Lama was selected by Chinese Mongol ruler in 1500's. In 1950 Tibet was re-integrated into China. This would have happened under either side of the chinese civil war.

It is not for us to go to far corners of the world and find enemies. The US support of Tibet independence dates back to anti-communism of the 1950's and right wing organizations of that era and has nothing to do with what Tibetans want. The Dalai Lama doesn't even want Independence. In the recent past Dalai Lama has become a celebrity and popular among people who miss a guru in their life and because of it support "free Tibet", without knowing any history of it, or even knowing between 1913 to 1950, Tibet was a feudal and terrible place.
04:26 PM on 02/19/2010
By this standard, the Chinese might reasonably assert authority over all of Mongolia, Korea and parts of Southeast Asia. "Continuous" includes long gaps of tenuous control by various Chinese/Mongol dynasties, some disputed sections of history that interpret Chinese officials as ambassadors or administrators and long gaps of semi-autonomous rule by Tibetans. All of this is academic as the Chinese move as many Han Chinese into the area as possible, but I think your description here is a bit too simple and broad.
05:03 PM on 02/19/2010
There is limited amount that can be written as one can't write the whole history of China/Tibet here. But I think my simple summary was good enough. You are right, chinese can make similar claims on Mangolia (as a matter of fact Chai Kai Shek did, Mao didn't) but not on Korea or "other" part of Southeast Asia.

What my main point is, it is none of our business. We don't need to be moral police of the world and view everything from our own moral prism. Dalai Lama didn't lead a non-voilent movement he fled when his militia, trained by CIA (not a secret anymore) was routed by the chinese in 1959. Now he has no alternative but claim non-violence. He is no Ghandi.
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04:45 PM on 02/19/2010
This is simply impossible, as there was no continuous rule over China proper for this period even. 1271 was in the Yuan dynasty, followed by Ming and then Qing. You would have a particularly difficult time justifying the claim that Tibet was a fully incorporated part of Ming.

Also, China in the 1500's was not ruled by Mongols, but by the native (i.e., ethnically Han) Ming dynasty, and it is therefore impossible for a "Chinese Mongol ruler" to have appointed anyone, anywhere, as no such person existed.

While the overall point has some validity to it, you should really get your facts straight.
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05:18 PM on 02/19/2010
well there's a translation problem in the word Chinese. What is it exactly? In Chinese the world China means the middle kingdom. And the Chinese people means The people of the Middle Kingdom. The people in the middle kingdom includes many different ethnicities, including the mongols, and in the Qing dynasty, Mongolia was a part of Imperial China. I mean we now have words like Han Chinese, but what is Han? It's only the name of the second Chinese dynasty which is made up of 7 different kingdoms until Qin united China.

So in Chinese definition, the Yuan dynasty was a part of China even though it was ruled by an ethnicities outside of the "Han" Chinese. After all the Mongols basically adopted the Chinese system, and so did the Manchu in the Qing dynasty. Thus the territories gained by these dynasty also belong to the Middle Kingdom.
05:30 PM on 02/19/2010
Kublai Khan founded the Yuan Dynasty in 1271, Tibet became a part of it.

Dalai is a mongolian word/name meaning Ocean.

In 1578, Altan Khan, of the Tumed Mongols (who submitted to Qing Dynasty), gave Sonam Gyatso, the title Dalai Lama #3 and his father Dalai Lama #2 and grandfather Dalai Lama #1.

Let me make it clearer. From 1271 there were no independent Tibet until 1913. Part of it was always part of china while other part were part of Mongolia while Mongolia was considered part of China.
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01:25 PM on 02/19/2010
I do care about Tibet. However, the Palestinian rights are by far more important than any other world issue at the moment. Unfortunately, the Western countries are lobbied by Jewish organizations and the keep them on a guilt leech. Palestinians need a homeland, either two state based on 67 borders including J. and the return of refugees, or a one state solution in historical Palestine (Israel). Remember, all data shows by 2015 the Israeli and Palestinian population will be equal.
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10:03 AM on 02/21/2010
The Palestinians do have a homeland. It is called Jordan. The current country was formed out of the political convenience that Britain called Transjordan. Almost 80% British Palestine was east of the Jordan River. I find it interesting that the Jordanians and Saudi's who are linguistically and ethnically closely tied with those who live on the West Bank, are more than content to let the Israeli's handle the problem on their own. When was the last time that the Saudi's contributed so much as a hospital, or a school, or a water purification plant or an electrical generating system to their beleaguered relatives? I do not like the way the Israeli's have handled this mess over the years. But the "two country solution" really should be a multi-country effort--in more than a purely political sense.
01:05 PM on 02/21/2010
Alright, Mr. Fitzgerald. I read your post, watched your video, and posted a comment below the post last night. My comment pass the website's moderation, and showed up on your page. But today, it is gone! And the discussion on that page has been closed! Could you give an explanation please?

Here is a summary of what I wrote:

The shooting video you posted looks suspicious for the following reasons:
1. heavyu editing
2. target out of range of AK assault rifle
3. simultaneous bullet hit and sound of gunshot

Mr. Fitzgerald, please reply to my comment, if you are so kind. Or you may ignore me. But please do not remove my comment without explanation, just because it does not fit your narrative.

I am sure that you, as a blogger, know much better than I do about being careful with your sources. And I am confident that you would agree with me that blood libel against "the Chinese" (i.e. a fifth of the humanity) would be a very serious offense!
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10:17 AM on 02/22/2010
I am perfectly happy to allow the many comments that disagree with my tk on things, once they are not abusive and do not promote falsehoods.

Nobody has ever said that that video was faked. Tens, if not hundreds, of people witnessed the event and their testimony concurs with the video evidence.

I was also very distrubed by your reaction at seeeing an innocent 17 year old girl shot dead. You said: "good shot" or words to that effect.

That, and the fact that your contention has no basis in truth, is why I delted your post. I think that was reasonable on both counts.
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12:36 PM on 02/19/2010
Mr Fitzgerald, the West must stand for Palestinian rights first and foremost. It is because of the West actions more than sixty years ago the Palestinians are extremely suffering. You have millions of refugees scattered in camps all over the Middle East, living in horrible conditions. You have Palestinians living in Israel that are treated like second or maybe third class citizens. You have Palestinians living in the West Bank & the Gaza Strip that has no rights what so ever, living in a big huge prison, thanks to all the support that the US & the Europeans give to Israel. The West should apologize for the inhumane policies that led the Palestinians to this situation. Billions & billions of dollars was and still is being given to the jews to live in the historic land of Palestine. Israel would not be able to exist if it wasn't for the guilt that all the western countries has towards what they did to the Jews.
04:31 PM on 02/19/2010
I don't know. Tel Aviv looked pretty good in January.....
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12:26 PM on 02/19/2010
The Dalai Lama, who was carried out of Tibet by peasants subjected to the existing theocracy of the time, did not always advocate non-violence; he only came to it after his CIA backed insurrectionists were slaughtered by the Chinese. It's all rather convenient, really; he claims that he would have reformed Tibetan society if he hadn't been ousted, but that's certainly easy to say when the consequences are completely moot, and the claims of nonviolence are certainly much easier to make when your army has already been killed off.

What I find most disappointing about the western obsession with Tibet is the sheer hypocrisy it represents. We don't hear a whole lot of argument for the United States to get out of Hawaii or Samoa, both similarly occupied, nor do we hear much about other, equally or even moreso, oppressed minorities in China, like the Mongols in Inner Mongolia who have also been replaced with a Han majority through active resettlement.
04:24 PM on 02/20/2010
Not sure if hypocrisy is the biggest problem...

Native american peoples have the freedom to talk about anything they want, i can personally testify to this, ha! Today many, if not most, Americans recognize the wrongs that happened. Movies are hollywood blockbusters that show how bad america has been.......There are movements and even political parties for Hawaiian independence, even Alaskan Independence.

In china, what can you historically talk about, or what are the historical movies always about? The Long March as a great victory for the chinese people......Japan, Japan, Japan, Japan, Japan (Nanjing movies come out every year).....although taiwan is independent and has a different history it's always presented as still a province of china that ironically must be reunited....

In China you are promptly taken without charge (and possibly without trial) to a prison or laogai for simply waving the Tibetan flag in public and saying "freedom for tibet!"
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02:47 AM on 02/21/2010
Americans can recognize the wrongs because there's nothing as risk to admit they were wrong. They can say sorry and not have any real consequences. The Tibetan exiles are being supported by Western powers, and if China said sorry they'll lose their grip on Tibet. Simple as that.

From reading your posts Jiaotong, you sound very emotional, and you're not going to convince anyone over to your side, especially the one group that actually matters; the Chinese. Do you seriously think any Chinese person will read your posts and say, "Yeah I guess we'll just invite the Dalai Lama in and let him control Tibet and a large chunk of Sichuan and Xinjiang?"

If you're not speaking to the Chinese, then what do you suppose the Westerners should do? Send in their armies and start a war with China for you? History is tainted by massacres. Some civilizations survive, some don't. It's not as if the Tibetans in China are seperated so that the males are beheaded, and their women used as sex slaves. Oh right, that's what the Japanese did to the Chinese in Nanking.
12:10 PM on 02/19/2010
What's our interest in Tibet? Suppose China took a likewise interest in say, NY ? Nothing but trouble for us here- not in our backyard, not our business.
11:37 AM on 02/19/2010
Yes Free Tibet! Rise up democrats. Shout which rage all the injustices the Chinese are forcing on them! Make it a campaign issue! Come on liberals what are you waiting for? It's time to spread... Oh wait, I just read that the chinese Gov. is now spending money to provide more state backed medical services to rural Tibet. Oh what's that? Urban Tibetans have basically a single payer health care system, and (in principle) all are covered...... Screw Tibet! And screw the rest of you democrats all for once again dropping the ball on single payer in the US, letting the "market" screw millions out of health care, all to be nice to businesses, then decrying the treatment of someone half way around the world, who gets health care just so you can feel good. I'm sure the millions of uninsured americans might trade off some free speech rights the the chinese gov for health care.
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11:36 AM on 02/19/2010
The problem isn't that the Chinese have occupied Tibet. The problem is the Chinese have moved millions of ethnic Chinese to overwhelm the Tibetan minority. Now china is setting it's sights on strategic resources in Tibet and the other western provinces that contain abundant natural resources.

Most of the high paying jobs in the mining and oil field industries will be going to ethnic chinese while the minorities will be kept in abject poverty and get a few left over crumbs in the form of unskilled mining and oil field jobs.

This is what the Dalai Lama is opposed to. He wants ethnic Tibetans to have access to technological advances to make their lives better and to bring democracy to Tibet. For the Chinese government in Beijing, the Dalai Lama is simply a usefull straw man to attack while they plunder Tibet and the western provinces.
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12:52 PM on 02/19/2010
Return New Mexico, Arizona and Californians to the Mexicans. We conquered their land and stole their deeds. And yes they should return their land in turn to the Hopi and other native people who had a spiritual civilization on a par with Tibetans. We came and displaced the original inhabitants of the US . Go back east you men young and old, over the great waters, back to the continents from whence you came, and take your wives, mistresses and kids with you.

Signed, The spirit of a dead continent
01:38 PM on 02/20/2010
We can't make exact comparisons to American land-claims and Tibet.
1-Definitely the US has done dirty deeds here, but nobody in America is denying this. China denies this totally (this is the same China that is denying problems within its own mainland history, such as the cultural revolution, the TianAnMen massacre, and persecution of falun gong people)

2-China re-writes history and suppresses opposite opinions (especially with people like you who hope to drown out competing opinions by repeating things the CCP say). At least Americans can debate these things

3-Lots of Indian tribes don't even exist anymore, so their land can't even be "given back"; Also many tribal societies never considered land as "sovereign territory" with carefully written lines on maps that one tribe exclusively owned. If you compare Native americans to something, its closer to use the Hmong or other groups in Yunnan. Tibet was much more a "state" with an army, taxation system, currency, etc.

3-The issue of China's ownership of Tibet is primarily related to the PLA takeover. "Indian lands" that were stolen relate to Dutch, French, Spanish, American, Swedish colonies (and more), after the Dutch took Manhattan island and native peoples moved away or assimiliated, is it possible for the US (who acquired it later) to "give it back"? By contrast... 4-Tibet continues to have the overthrown government exist on its borders, governing a growing population of 100,000+ refugees. There is nothing like this comparable to any situation inUS.
10:21 AM on 02/19/2010
Yesterday, Obama acknowledged that Tibet is owned by China. The first president to do so. Obivously the US is owned by China. At least Obama is consistent, superpowers have the right to invade and occupy any countries that they please.
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06:41 AM on 02/19/2010
“The sad reality is that all the historical evidence suggests that violent insurrection has a much better track record of achieving freedom”
However, many won’t be alive to see it.
What didn't the dinosaurs teach us Rory? That clinging to the old ways doesn’t necessarily suffice?

“The Dalai Lama's opposition to violence has given the world a powerful moral example.”
But what the strategy currently lacks is intellectual challenge. If what an oppressor is doing is valid, then it should be capable of withstanding examination. If that process is prohibited or in any way prevented, its logic must be deemed perverse. Since it cannot, or will not, justify itself.
If argument can only be dissuaded by force, the ideology challenged exposes itself as flawed.

“the entire Western world would have to put immense pressure on China”
Not necessarily. All that may be needed might be questioning.
i.e. Presumably, your actions appear completely rational to you. Would you kindly explain them to me, so that I may better appreciate your personal understanding of reality.

“the world would know for ever that non-violence can really work.”
The world doesn’t actually care, either way Rory. But if we can get this right, we might be around to know it.
09:05 AM on 02/19/2010
The Dali Lama's opposition to violence is based on the fact that he would get all his people killed. If he had the numbers they would be violent. They tried that. It didn't work out well. They were slaughtered. It is nothing but pragmatism.
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04:31 AM on 02/19/2010
A few things to remember:
1. China is almost a super power. No one can be reasonably expected to get into a conflict with it.
2. Tibet adopted Budhist philosophy in a Darwinian world - big mistake.
3. China is hungry for space and resources - Tibet was conveniently unarmed.
4. Chinese communist-militarism defeated Tibet's Feudalistic-Budhism and walked in to Tibet.

Given the above, how is it a shame on the West that Tibet is not free? Do we seriously believe that it is reasonable to ask the West to put its sons in harm's way in order to free Tibet?
09:07 AM on 02/19/2010
Almost a superpower? What self-interest is served by annoying the Chinese with what is a civil issue? Why is Tibet an obsession again? Because the Dali Lama smiles a lot and wears funny robes and Hollywood loves hm?

If you want Tibet free-tell the Democrats to stop running up unsustainable deficits which prevents China from ever being confronted on human rights issues....I'll support human rights in China if you support deficit reduction and stop this porkfest.
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11:24 AM on 02/19/2010
"2. Tibet adopted Budhist philosophy in a Darwinian world - big mistake"

So are you saying that a Christian philosophy of take no prisoners would have been better?

It seems to me that you need to go read your history books. You didn't even spell Buddhist correctly. Armed conflict has been taking place ever since people discovered that agriculture could increase a society's weath by an infinite amount. To see that go read the story of Cain and Abel in the Bible. Buddhists will defend themselves from armed attack. They just do it differently than Christian fundies.
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04:13 AM on 02/19/2010
The US could care less about the Tibetan people, they are just pawns in a the great game of Real Politique between East and West, China and India.. China is concerned about retaining Tibet as an integral part of the Chinese nation state because of it strategic geo-political position. Throughout the 1950s and 60s first British and then US intelligence agencies recruited the Dalai Lama and his entourage to serve as a fifth column to probe China's sensitive southern boundary. A western oriented Tibet would serve as a dagger directed at the heart of Chinese nationhood. The Tibetans also have imperial ambitions. They belief in "Greater Tibet" which includes the Chinese provinces of Qinghai, Gansu and Sichuan where there are outposts of Tibetans. People in the West are ridiculously naive when it comes to Tibet.
03:33 AM on 02/19/2010
Sadly, the status of the Tibetan people may be resemble that of the Jews after the unsuccessful revolts against the Romans in the first and second centuries CE. While some Jews remained in the homeland, crushed by the Romans, the majority were scattered in exile, stateless wanderers for centuries. As Tibetan Buddhism has much of value to offer the world, it is my hope that the Tibetans will evolve successful strategies to survive as a people in exile, just as the Jewish people have done. Perhaps, one day, they will be able to return to their historic homeland and live in peace.
09:08 AM on 02/19/2010
good post...a shed of pragmatism and historical context. Thank you.
01:41 PM on 02/20/2010
actually this is what many Mongolian people in Inner Mongolia have been saying for years (and continue to say)
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04:47 PM on 02/19/2010
"Perhaps, one day, they will be able to return to their historic homeland and live in peace."

Because, after all, this is what the Jews (your chosen analogy!) have done?
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03:18 AM on 02/19/2010
How about freeing the American taxpayer, instead? China and Tibet are neighbors. Ethnic, shmethnic. They all know each other, put it to them to resolve their own differences and work with each other to solve their problems.
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11:52 AM on 02/19/2010
Tell me this. If China and Tibet are neighbors, why is their language as different as night and day. Chinese language is based on pictographs, while Tibetan language is a true written language similar to Sanskrit and the other laguages of south and southeast Asia. In fact, ethnically and genetically, the Tibetan's true neighbors are the Hindu and Pastun peoples of India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.
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12:58 PM on 02/19/2010
Ignorance abounds at this site. Tibetan is part of the Sino-Tibetan language family, while Sanskrit is Indo-European. Hinduism is the last pantheistic religion having the same roots as Greek and Roman beliefs. Buddhism is hardly even practiced in India today while it is the major religious tradition throughout China. If Tibet and the rest of China are not neighbors, then I guess Palin could never have seen Russia from her window either.
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04:50 PM on 02/19/2010
Can you explain what you mean by "true written language"? Are you suggesting that people who write Chinese are somehow not writing in their own language? Most of China's other neighbors, with equally strong linguistic ties (Korea, Japan, Vietnam...) have writing systems based on phonetic alphabets or syllabaries as well, btw., but this says nothing about linguistic pedigree.
03:06 AM on 02/19/2010
[[Tibet's capital, Lhasa, is now majority Han Chinese. Beijing has for years actively settled the area with ethnic Chinese. A new rail link direct from Beijing makes settlement easier and faster. At some point, the majority of Tibet's entire population may consist of ethnic Chinese, loyal to Beijing. If this happens, there will never be a free Tibet.]]

Mr. Fitzgerald,
If you switch TIBET with PALESTINE and CHINA with ISRAEL, you'd notice why the west has no "moral" ground, whatsoever, to pressure China into doing anything for TIBET! What would the USA and its western allies answer, if China asked them about the situation in WestJordanland and Gaza?

Oh, that's something else?
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01:07 PM on 02/19/2010
Flashback to 1875. Let's relive our past in light of our concern for the Tibetan present. OK if you live west of the Mississippi pack your bags and go home, for that matter any person of European, African or Asian ancestry should return to their respective home continents. Its 1975 and we have for years actively settled the area west of the Mississippi with ethnic Europeans. And now we are laying new rail links to make further settlement easier and faster. At some point, the majority of the entire US population may consist of ethnic Europeans loyal to Washington. If this happens, there will never be a free America.
03:23 PM on 02/20/2010
What you are saying is not making China right. In America you can say this, and people can talk about a solution. In china, you MUST agree with re-written history and say that tibet always belonged to china, and if you disagree publicly you will face big problems with the government. The problems of native americans can be discussed also, but the point of this general subject is about tibetans.... it isnt "dont talk about Tibet because your country did something bad to a third party"
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01:45 AM on 02/19/2010
From the article: "For the Dalai Lama's vision to succeed, the entire Western world would have to put immense pressure on China."

I disagree. China can easily deflect "tremendous pressure". That won't help. Tension is more effective than pressure for persuading people.

China is ready for a new chapter. China has share great cultural gifts with the world over centuries past. The current attitudes on China must change so that China's own cultural self-knowledge will come back alive and China will pull back this pressure in the interests of preserving the culture of a venerable cultural group. The political boundary is not as important as the respect for the culture and language of Tibet.

Tibet will be fine, because Chinese people will remember their own culture, and realizing the incredible value of their own ancient culture, they'll also begin to value Tibetan culture as well. Reconciliation with Taiwan comes first. That's how I see it, anyway.
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02:11 AM on 02/19/2010
From the article: "For the Dalai Lama's vision to succeed, the entire Western world would have to put immense pressure on China."

I'd like to elaborate on this. It just reminds me so much of a typical West versus East cultural contact. The idea of "putting immense pressure" is just such a western idea. The very concept of applying pressure, rather than drawing out an opposing force - it's asinine.

China is emulating western thought already in its move into Tibet. That whole situation is based on Marxist ideology. China had become a nascent power due to stagnancy in their technology, and they paid a terrible price for it. Now they've caught up technologically, but they have yet to recover their essential culture after years of western powers projecting political influence and ideas into China.
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02:13 AM on 02/19/2010
I didn't mean "nascent" I meant "dormant".
09:10 AM on 02/19/2010
China is not a monolith and some of the people who hate the Chinese the most are other Chinese....China is sharing their jack boot culture with the world-they are hacking, stealing, etc...