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Baker Institute Hosts "War on Drugs" Conference, Asks "Is Legalization the Answer?"

Posted: 03/12/2012 11:08 am

I've just returned from Houston, Texas, where I participated in a two-day forum held by the James A. Baker Institute for Public Policy at Rice University. This informative discussion included representatives from law enforcement, judiciary, clergy, academia, drug law reform, anti-drug advocacy, medicine and government, from Texas, from America, from Europe, and from Mexico (where 50,000 have been slaughtered in our Drug War.)

My job was to debate the topic of "Marijuana" with a former adviser to Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske, Dr. Kevin Sabet. He's worked in the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations on the issue of drug policy. Me? Well... I've smoked marijuana during the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations. But more on that in a moment. (And all following quotes are paraphrased and approximate from my sleep-deprived memory -- see linked videos for the actual quotes.)

Entitled The War on Drugs Has Failed: Is Legalization The Answer, the event was coordinated by William Martin, the Senior Fellow in Religion and Public Policy for the Baker Institute. The event began with travel author Rick Steves presenting his talk on "Travel as a Political Act," which is an engaging look at the European take on drug policy, which is not to be "hard on drugs" or "soft on drugs," rather "smart on drugs." From blue lights in bar restrooms (makes veins hard to find) to push-button cannabis menus in Dutch coffeeshops (so it's not advertised "to" you, you must request it), Steves' presentation is entertaining and informative (you can watch it here on YouTube.)

The first panel, "Examining the Premise, Considering Alternatives", featured Dr. Ethan Nadelmann, the Executive Director of the Drug Policy Alliance versus John J. Coleman, the head of Drug Watch International and a former DEA Administrator. It's hardly fair putting a bureaucrat like Coleman in a debate with a dynamic speaker like Nadelmann, especially when he equates the "War on Drugs" to a "War on Pigeons."

Next, "Law Enforcement Perspectives" featured The Honorable Patricia R. Lykos, District Attorney of Harris County, Texas, who wished that "Timothy Leary and others who ruined this country by promoting drug use are burning in hell" and lamented her docket clogged with "trace cases" where the drug seized is as low as .01 grams. Michael Dirden, Executive Assistant Chief of the Houston Police Department, worried about our country becoming a "stoned culture." The Honorable Michael McSpadden, Judge, 209th Criminal Court, also of Harris County, turned economics on its ear when he said "as long as there is a supply of drugs in this country, there will be a demand." Russ Jones from Law Enforcement Against Prohibition explained that problems associated with drugs can better be addressed when separated from the violence and crime attributable to prohibition.

Then came my time -- twenty minutes to present the case for marijuana legalization, against Dr. Kevin Sabet, Ph.D., a real live honest-to-goodness Drug Warrior. To be fair, he is a very nice person who told me he does not want to see me in a cage. But he argues for policies that equate to just that -- a cage for possession, even if it is just the forty minutes it takes my bail to get me out of a holding cell. Or the threat of a cage if I don't submit to urine collections and re-education camp (rehab).

I've garnered a reputation in the marijuana reform movement as being the "data guy". I've read more tables, charts, studies, polls, and interviews than 99.99% of all Americans. I've even written a coffee table book on the subject that still seeks a publisher (sample, anyone?) But for this debate, I didn't want to play "my chart can beat your chart," because the main tactic of the Drug Warrior is Ali's famous Rope-a-Dope (no pun intended). More Americans now believe marijuana should be legalized than not, so I feel they have to defend keeping prohibition; I don't have to defend legalization.

Instead of letting this get lost in the quagmire of what everyone can agree is purely speculation on unreliable data -- nobody's ever legalized pot and the studies we have are based on people answering truthfully to complete strangers asking them whether they break state and federal drug laws -- I decided to attack marijuana prohibition at its roots: why are we even concerned about trying to stop people from smoking pot in the first place?

I think I made the right impression. And no, I hadn't thought the tie would coordinate so well with the American and Texas flags, but in retrospect, thanks to J. Garcia for the tie.

The next panel, "Are Current Drug Laws the New Jim Crow," starred The Rev. Edwin C. Sanders II, Senior Servant of the Metropolitan Interdenominational Church, Nashville, Tennessee. He made it clear that "if you ask for a speech, a lecture, a panel, a presentation, you're gonna get a sermon, because that's what I do." Preach he did, from his informed perspective in a "no steeple church." He followed a video from Prof. Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Era of Colorblindness and continued her theme of the War on Drugs as a tool of maintaining an undercaste system in America. "They are mining black gold," he intoned, "when every black boy who's arrested represents $30 to $40 thousand dollars to the prison industrial complex!" He described as "sinister" and "evil" the practice by private prison corporations to examine third and fourth grade reading levels to help determine where they'll build the next new prison.

Next was "International Alternatives and Insights" with Prof. Alex Stevens from Univ. of Kent in England, Gary J. Hale, retired Chief of Intelligence for DEA with insight on Mexico, and Bill Piper, director for congressional affairs with Drug Policy Alliance to cover US legalization strategies. Prof. Stevens impressed me with his steady, engaging refutation of much of the myths surrounding Europe's varying drug policies, including Swiss heroin assisted treatment and clean safe injection sites and Dutch coffeehouses and Portuguese across-the-board decriminalization. Mr. Hale's explanation of the futility and tragedy of the American Drug War in Mexico, as seen even by our own anti-drug forces, was disturbing. Mr. Piper's summation of American state policies toward decriminalization and medicalization led him to proclaim, "The US government can't really do all that much about what its own states do in this area, I don't think they can do very much to other countries that want to experiment with drug reform."

The forum concluded with a keynote speech from The Honorable Larry W. Campbell, Senator, Parliament of Canada; Former Member, Royal Canadian Mounted Police Drug Squad; Former Chief Coroner, British Columbia; and 37th Mayor of Vancouver. There is so much to be excerpted from his jovial and educated remarks. This one will suffice: when discussing his support in Vancouver of the supervised (heroin) injection site, he explained "saying no to needle exchange because it'll cause addiction is like saying flies cause garbage."

It is incredible to me that we have reached this point where, as President Obama once said, marijuana legalization is a legitimate topic for debate.

 

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I've just returned from Houston, Texas, where I participated in a two-day forum held by the James A. Baker Institute for Public Policy at Rice University. This informative discussion included represe...
I've just returned from Houston, Texas, where I participated in a two-day forum held by the James A. Baker Institute for Public Policy at Rice University. This informative discussion included represe...
 
 
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11:37 PM on 03/14/2012
we need a new emancipation proclamation to free us from the moral and social slavery of the war on drugs, or rather the the war on the people who use them. we the people are being used and exploited by a bunch of big pharma paid pols who swill their martinis and xanax while throwing our mothers, fathers, and children in prison to be traumatized by murderers and rapists. people like obama exploit our hopes and dreams of freedom and throw us under the bus when elected. bought and sold baby, bought and sold.
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Nebulon V
09:17 PM on 03/14/2012
Too bad Mr. Obama refuses to debate the issue...yeah, I signed the White House petition and I saw him blow us off.
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arachne646
No more hurting people--Peace
02:12 PM on 03/13/2012
Just a note about InSite, Vancouver's safe injection clinic for drug addicts: addicts provide their own drugs they were going to shoot up in alleys or by-the-week hotel rooms, InSite has sterile, disposable equipment and supervision by highly trained nurses and other staff. Addicts may be using other injectable drugs than heroin. Many, many cases of hepatitis, and HIV/AIDS have been prevented, and also overdoses have been treated and lives saved. Staff can get addicts in touch with medical care and other community services they may need. There is a detox centre upstairs with some beds dedicated to InSite patients, so there is always a detox bed available. Rehab is easy to access. The federal government in power now is extremely against harm reduction strategies in the drug policy playbook--they just passed a new law adopting some of the worst of the US's criminal justice mistakes.
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Thinking Clearly
Communication is the key to understanding
03:21 AM on 03/13/2012
I think what bothers me the most out of all of this, is the fact that with every branch of the Federal Government mobilized by the War On Drug money and tied together to fight terrorism, it is indeed a formidable united force. Why has it been unleashed - not against terrorists and drug cartels, but upon the people of America. I am talking about Humbolt County, dispensaries and patients being rousted by this very same formidable united force. But wait. It was created to fight terrorism, not us.

Who will it be directed at next? Hopefully, AL-Qaeda or the Taliban.
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RadicalRuss
Host of The Russ Belville Show
01:05 PM on 03/13/2012
More than you know.

http://nymag.com/news/9-11/10th-anniversary/patriot-act/

PATRIOT ACT Sneak-n-Peek Search Warrants 2006-2009:
Terrorism Cases = 15
Fraud Cases = 122
Drug Cases = 1,618
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Thinking Clearly
Communication is the key to understanding
01:36 PM on 03/13/2012
Then...fighting terrorism isn,t the real purpose for the Patriot Act?

The Patriot Act fights legalization not terrorists?
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Thinking Clearly
Communication is the key to understanding
02:09 PM on 03/13/2012
The real terrorists are Americans who smoke pot?
12:08 AM on 03/13/2012
Jesus said to do unto others as we would have them to do unto us. None of us would want our child or grandchild thrown in jail with the sexual predators over marijuana. None of us would want to see an older family members home confiscated and sold by the police for growing a couple of marijuana plants for their aches and pains.
If the people who want to use marijuana could grow a few plants in their own back yards, it would be about as valuable as home-grown tomatoes; it would put the drug gangs out of business and get them out of our neighborhoods.

I've seen people whose lives were a train wreck of sitting around stoned all the time and/or wasting a lot of time looking for more, and it's kind of sad. (I'm not saying that's the norm; I'm just acknowledging that it happens. Let's not sweep it under the rug.) I've also seen people in jail, beat up by other prisoners, molested, job opportunities destroyed, scholarship opportunities destroyed, kids on public assistance because parent was in jail... The law is hurting a LOT more people than the marijuana ever will.

A person CAN get over an addiction; they often will NEVER get over a conviction. It's time to treat marijuana like alcohol, sugar, fast food, or any of the hundred other things that we hope to educate people to use responsibly, rather than putting them in jail and wrecking their lives.
11:46 PM on 03/12/2012
putting the dealers that do other crimes and sell other illegal substances for profit on the back burner for a minute. lets talk about kids selling drugs. im willing to bet that most kids that sell drugs only sell marijuana because marijuana is so easy for them to manufacture. marijuana grows like a weed. it takes some effort which is why i think most people would buy it in a legal market where it doesn't have mold, they won't get ripped off, it won't be laced with harder drugs, and it won't put them next to dangerous shady people, but not so much to where kids can't grow it themselves. in fact it probably more profitable for them to grow just a couple of plants to sell because there less likely to get caught and with the illegal market as it is they could still make a good amount of money. now im not saying that their aren't kids that sell other harder drugs, but im saying their most likely in a deal with more dangerous and shady people to sell it for them. because i highly doubt there's a bunch of kids with meth labs. so i think legalization would decrease the black market when it comes to kids selling pot and other harder drugs because if its harder for adults to sell pot its harder for kids to sell for themselves or other. as well as come into contact with those adults to sell their harder drugs.
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RadicalRuss
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01:49 PM on 03/13/2012
In a legalized world, where adults can grow their own and buy from a store, there will be very little left of the marijuana black market.

Some guys will grow their own and maybe sell it to pals under the taxed rate, but that cost will be so low it won't extend beyond that first relationship. It'll be like your neighbor who has the zucchini in the garden and is trying to pass it off on you - you'd take it if you like zucchini, if you hadn't already bought some at the store, if you already didn't have some in your pantry, or if it was significantly better zucchini than you have. You probably wouldn't pay much for it - obviously, demand and price and tax will be higher on pot than on zucchini - but you're not going to pay more than what you'd pay at the store. Plus, you may not want zucchini, you may want sweet potatoes. The store is going to have selection that your buddy just won't.

There will still be diversions to kids - nothing is ever going to stop that. Some 16-20 year olds will have friends 21 and older who will buy them some herb. Some kid is going to snip some buds off some parent's house plant. But that happens now, and on top of that we get some of those kids dealing themselves and all the crime and violence that surrounds that.
01:49 PM on 03/15/2012
that's exactly what im saying. its better to legalize because while adult dealers have the option of selling other drugs (not that legalizing pot will bring them more customers for those more dangerous drugs, thus bringing their business to a crawl.) the kid dealers don't have that option because even if there are kids that sell those harder drugs it probably because there's a bigger dealer behind them. so kids won't be able to sell pot to adults (do to a lesser possibility of danger) adult buyers wouldn't want to deal in illegalities with kids when they could get it legally. so kids will still be able to sell to other kids, but even that would be harder for them to do. thus greatly reducing the black market when it comes to kids involvement. its the same for adults to but like i said in the last comment back burner. so im all for legalization. in fact im a big fan of cannabis and hemp and all they do.
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arachne646
No more hurting people--Peace
02:16 PM on 03/13/2012
Right now it's easier for kids in High School to obtain marijuana than beer or liquor. What does that say about the efficiency of alcohol licensing and age restrictions? Kids might find cannabis less available if it were legalized, licensed, and taxed like beer and wine.
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AlfredE69
Liberty Lovin' Tree Hugger
10:53 PM on 03/12/2012
Legalization is the answer if you read the United States Declaration of Independence, Life, LIberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

If you don't live by this move to China or some other totalitarian state and stop messing with our Liberty.
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markspence
01:23 AM on 03/13/2012
Are those the only two choices? Legalization or China?
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AlfredE69
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08:22 PM on 03/13/2012
Do want you want, but don't tread on my Liberty.
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Thinking Clearly
Communication is the key to understanding
09:28 PM on 03/12/2012
You know, Russ, you did exceptionally well against very intimidating circumstances. Dr Sabet is a Psychiatrist and I find it ironic that as a psych he is by profession representative of 3 of the 5 areas receiving Federal funds from his blue chart. He has the most to gain from continuation of current policies.

His tactics of trivializing people going to jail and prisons and the rest of the slippery interpretations of some very one sided facts was seamless. Treatment metered out through the court systems with drug testing represents involuntary indoctrination and treatment run by someone well versed in behavior modification. Probably someone much like Dr. Sabet himself. We need more discussions. Bravo !!!
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RadicalRuss
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01:56 PM on 03/13/2012
And that's why I boiled my presentation down to one personal exhibit. I AM that 9% who tried pot and became "dependent", whatever that is. I am the 1% of pot smokers who smokes multiple times a day every day. I am the guy smoking the best bud Oregon horticulturists can breed, truly the "Not Your Father's Woodstock Weed", with THC potencies as high as 24%.

I am also the guy with no traffic record in the 2000's, no criminal record, always paid taxes, never taken welfare or unemployment, almost have my student loans paid back, happily married for eleven years, and even my dog is licensed and neutered.*

So regardless of whatever predictions or statistics Dr. Sabet wants to make, he has to make the case that it shows why I need to be in a cage or a forced re-education camp with body fluid monitoring. When he says "well, you're not in a cage or rehab", all he underscores is that we have laws we don't really intend on enforcing... against me and other reasonably lucky and successful white folks.

* I have a juvenile reckless driving ticket from 1985 and some speeding tickets from the 1990's. I also have a couple of disturbing the peace violations from alcohol parties I threw in the 1990's. I have been bankrupted twice by medical emergencies, both Chapter 11's that I fulfilled the repayment plans on. I'm no saint... but I'm no criminal, either.
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09:11 PM on 03/12/2012
Nice job. Not sure why none of my comments are showing up, i try and play nice. figured i would try again.

Keep fighting the good fight.
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06:51 PM on 03/12/2012
Great piece, and great job. Loved the video. Kevin Sabet is one of the more rational prohibitionists out there. We wont win him over until we can get peer reviewed science showing him smoking pot makes children smarter, stronger, faster humans. But he is not the target. Much more rational humans with access for far fewer spooky numbers are the target.
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Here to make cannabis legal worldwide again
06:38 PM on 03/12/2012
Russ he Rule Sabet he fool...
03:16 PM on 03/12/2012
Mr. Kevin Sabet, haven't you seen the commercial? Never let 'em see you sweat! Nice job, Russ!
03:06 PM on 03/12/2012
Teenage drug users are not criminals! Yes Yes Yes!
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05:33 PM on 03/12/2012
who said anything about kids?

Nobody should be in trouble with the law for smoking pot. Parents on the other hand....
05:50 AM on 03/13/2012
If you have a kid with autism or asperger's, it's criminal to NOT give them pot!

Cannabis is safe(er) medicine for autism and childhood epilepsy dude :)
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Joey Ismail
09:25 PM on 03/12/2012
No "drug user" is a criminal, unless they commit a crime while on drugs. Otherwise every old lady in Walgreens, and every guy who has a bottle of advil, is a criminal.
05:51 AM on 03/13/2012
Yes you are right. However hard I try, I just cannot think of any drug use as being criminal. Even alcohol is medicine really. (For social problem, marriage problem, and 'fast man ' problem)
02:53 PM on 03/12/2012
A lot of the old ideas are dying hard. It may still be decades away, but you cannot deny that legalization is in the works.
02:26 PM on 03/12/2012
When prohibition has been in place for such a long time and has proven to be a complete failure honest people who are not profiting from the war on drugs and are not prisoners of some backward religious ideology will naturally turn towards legalization as an alternative that should be tried.