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Rifqa, the Reverand and Apostasy


Fathima Rifqa Bary, who goes by Rifqa, is a 17-year-old from Columbus, Ohio who ran away from home -- not an uncommon occurrence for 17-year-olds. But the circumstances surrounding her story have opened a host of legal, cultural and theological issues.

Her Muslim parents moved the family to the U.S. from Sri Lanka in 2000, seeking medical attention for Rifqa, who had lost her right eye playing with a toy. Rifqa, who the Columbus Dispatch reports was a cheerleader at her high school, joined a Bible study group on Facebook earlier this year and was baptized at a local church.

See the story here.

Last month, she hopped on a bus to Orlando to meet with Rev. Blake Lorenz, who she met through a Facebook prayer group for the couple's non-denominational Global Revolution Church.

Her parents reported their daughter missing and local news covered her disappearance for a full two weeks before police were able to trace her to Lorenz's Orlando church.

Here's what happened when Rifqa was found: Lorenz decides to remain silent and displays Rifqa to a local television news station. She launches into an emotional plea to save her life from Islam. She claims that her parents "love God more than me" and therefore have to perform an honor killing on her. She argues "it's in the Quran". No it's not, sweet little Rifqa. It's not in the Quran. Whoever told you that is either ignorant or a liar. You should look it up yourself before claiming it's in the Quran.

Rev. Lorenz is then quoted in a local television station report saying that if a Muslim leaves his religion and does not return to Islam in a couple of days, then he must be killed. He claims that someone showed him the verse. There is no such verse, Rev. Lorenz. In every faith, apostasy is shunned but ultimate judgment is left to God, not people.

Religious conflicts occur in some countries where there are volatile and tense relations between faith groups, particularly where war and ethnic conflicts occur (the Balkans, the Middle East, South Asia). The United States of America is different. Let's preserve the tradition of American religious pluralism and not fall into religious or cultural warfare.

The issue of apostasy is actually addressed in a controversial and oft-misunderstood law. Centuries ago, the apostasy law was actually a treason law, created to address what should happen when a soldier in a Muslim army converts to the other side and then fights against a Muslim country. That's the equivalent of an American working for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, or for the Nazis in World War II. Under U.S. law, treason is punishable by death.

Now, state authorities in Florida and Ohio will have to clear up the mess and determine Rifqa's residence. Her father, Mohamed Bary, has a strong endorsement by Sgt. Jerry Cupp of the Columbus Police Department. Cupp told the Associated Press that Bary "comes across to me as a loving, caring, worried father about the whereabouts and the health of his daughter."

For his part, Bary told the Associated Press: "We love her, we want her back, she is free to practice her religion, whatever she believes in, that's OK. What these people are trying to do is not right -- I don't think any religion will teach to separate the kids from their parents."

Mohamed Bary allowed his daughter to become a cheerleader and says she can practice any faith she wants -- clearly, he is not a fundamentalist.

He is a concerned father who believes his daughter was brainwashed and kidnapped. Let's see how this story unfolds.

 
 
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10:42 PM on 09/03/2009
If a Muslim sheikh or imam had lured a Christian girl on facebook to travel across the country and come stay in his home, he'd rightly be charged with kidnapping. However, this priest is being portrayed as a hero who saved this girl from her "evil" Muslim parents. There is no evidence whatsoever that her parents are religious fundamentalists (they allowed the girl to be a cheerleader!). The claim that because there are cases of "honor killings" by other Muslims (half-way across the Earth), these Muslims will also kill their daughter is simply ridiculous. It is worse than guilt by association; these parents are being punished for the actions of people half-way across the world, who they have never met, but happen to believe in the same religion as them.
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08:09 PM on 09/06/2009
Both your arguments are specious. 1. As mentioned below, honor killings aren't limited to being just "half-way across the Earth." There are recent instances of this in the West among Muslim immigrant families, including Canada and the U.S.. There are legitimate reasons to want to prevent this abominable practice from gaining traction in this country, hence it is reasonable to take special precautions to protect those who might be vulnerable to this kind of crime. 2. Rifqa Bary wasn't "lured" by a priest to travel across the country. For one thing, he wasn't a priest, but a protestant minister (do you know the difference?), and for another Rifqa reached out to him and his wife for assistance and shelter.
11:52 PM on 09/06/2009
Again, you can't point to anything these parents have done in their lives that leads one to believe they would harm their daughter. All you can point to are the actions of other Muslims. Regardless of who initiated the contact, this "protestant minister" (sorry for using the wrong term) had no business talking to this child over the internet. Your defense of him sounds like those guys on Dateline: To Catch a Predator - "the kid contacted me first." Anyway, this "protestant minister" and his wife have violated Florida law by sheltering this minor for more than 24 hours without notifying her parents OR law enforcement. Look up Florida statute 985.731. They kept the girl in their home for 2 weeks and did not tell anyone. She used her cell phone and that's how the authorities were able to locate her. If they thought her parents were truly a threat, they should have contacted law enforcement and turned the girl over to them so they could handle the situation. They had no business keeping her in their home for 2 weeks while her parents and the police were frantically looking for her. The bottom line is that they committed a crime and should be charged but of course the law won't be applied in this case because the victims are Muslim. If a Muslim had hid a Christian kid from her parents for 2 weeks, they'd be charged with a crime and rightly so.
11:25 AM on 08/31/2009
Who is Salam kidding?

Muhammad said "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him,"

Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 84:

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/084.sbt.html#009.084.057

Dealing with Apostates Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
08:55 AM on 08/31/2009
The bottom line is that the four major schools of fiqh in Sunni Islam, containing the overwjelming majority of the world's Muslims, advocates the death penalty for apostates...period.

The rest of the obfuscations about the Koran not mandating it is pure poppycock. The Koran does not stand alone in Islam. When convenient, the accompanying Hadith and Sira are used to elaborate, when inconvenient, they apparently don't exist and the defense is that the Koran does or doesn't state...

Apostasy from Islam carries a death sentence under Shari'ah law and they have the scores of the dead to prove it. Mr. Al Marayati would be better served correcting the "misunderstnders" and begin marginalizing their voives instead of basically calling for this girl to be sent to her death.
01:06 AM on 08/31/2009
I understand that a Muslim tries to make his religion look good, but to deny that the penalty for apostasy is death, is really to close the eyes to the reality. My boyfriend left islam 2 years ago, and yet he cannot tell his parents about it. When I told him about Rifqa's story he told me that there's no doubt that his parents will sent her back to her country where she will probably die if her father doesn't kill her with his own hands.
12:59 AM on 08/31/2009
Whatever the merits of the various claims around Rifqa and her father, Marayati makes some errors in his article.

In several hadiths considered fully reliable by the Muslim scholar mainstream, Muhammad says, "If someone changes his Islamic religion, then kill him."

That is why all the schools of Islamic law support the death penalty for apostates from Islam.

Marayati says,

"In every faith, apostasy is shunned but ultimate judgment is left to God, not people."

That is simply untrue.

Marayati says:

"Centuries ago, the apostasy law was actually a treason law, created to address what should happen when a soldier in a Muslim army converts to the other side and then fights against a Muslim country. That's the equivalent of an American working for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, or for the Nazis in World War II. Under U.S. law, treason is punishable by death."

Marayati here makes a false comparison. In Islam, to leave the religious ideology of the Islamic State was to commit treason. That's theocracy. Marayati tries to compare this to the U.S., which also has executed people for treason. But the U.S. doesn't execute people for having a particular religion or set of ideas, except in exceptional contravention of its own laws and constitution. The U.S. may execute someone for intentionally giving away state secrets to an enemy. That is utterly different from Muhammad having people executed for abandoning the Islamic creed.
05:59 PM on 08/30/2009
You would shamefully attack and try to discredit a young woman who obviously fears for her life (and with good reason) because you fear the politcally incorrect truth being spoken to us Kafir? Good luck.
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01:21 PM on 08/30/2009
Al Murayati's got a tough job, trying to deflect and redirect all the bad news that keeps coming from the world of Islam. The facts are that Rifqa Bary appears to believe her life is in danger because she converted to Christianity, and where do you think she got that idea? She didn't need a Christian pastor to alert her to the danger. There are plenty of cases of honor killings in the Muslim world and every reason to be concerned with the importation of such practices into the West.

Al Murayati attempts to deflect this using a moral equivalence argument: "As far as culture in other parts of the world, I cannot defend their actions just like you cannot defend the actions of your co-religionists who violate the principles of religion." So, essentially, he admits that honor killings occur "in other parts of the world" but attempts to deflect the Islamic aspects of this practice by referring to some nebulously vague actions of "your co-religionists" as somehow being just as objectionable. Well, Mr. Murayati, I don't know of widespread honor killings that occur any place in the West other than what are being imported by "your" Muslim co-religionists. Why don't you address the real problem of honor killings we're faced with, instead of deflecting the discussion off into Bukhari-land and subtle distinctions among interpretations of ahadith?
01:17 PM on 08/30/2009
Just a few points to consider,

Look at Riqfa's MySpace page, it notes her last log on in 2007 in which she confirms her Christianity.
Im not sure why this story and others are trying to portray her conversion as a recent issue.

In addition to this why hasnt anyone considered the fact that child abuse is real and that these threats against her life could have substance to them. It seems like people have put Rifqa on trial accusing her of misappropriating islam when in fact she grew up in a muslim family and understands more than most of us the good and bad that exist within her community when certain expectations are not met. We have far too many examples of child and spousal abuse, it doesnt matter what the abuser claims is their rationale be it religion or plain old insanity.

The fact is we have no real objective way to determine if riqfa's claims are legitimate or not, and by sweeping the religion issue under the rug we miss the point entirely because there have been far too many so-called "honour killings" by sociopaths who do misinterpret the religion and believe they are doing the right thing.

dig a bit deeper into this story, the idea of a 17 year old being lured by a priest and the implications people are making about Christians are as short-sighted as those being made about muslims and apostasy.
08:57 AM on 08/24/2009
I read that a Florida judge ordered that she stay in Orlando until they "investigate" the supposed threats against her. Unfortunately, these Christian fundamentalists that were pushing for this ruling by protesting outside of the courthouse don't understand what a dangerous precedent this sets - basically, a child can run away from home and then claim that his/her life is being threatened and not have to go back home. An evangelical lawyer argued in court that her parent's weren't the real threat, but rather "radical Muslims" in Columbus. So now, parents can lose custody of their kids not just for something they do, but because of perceived threats from others who live in their community. Hopefully, this judge's ruling will be overturned because if not, I imagine a bunch of Christian kids who have run away from home will be going to court to claim that they have become atheists and that their parents will kill them if they go home.
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05:42 PM on 08/30/2009
You're missing the point, jamilk99. This is not some abstract issue about whether or not children can use a religious argument to justify running away from home. This is about a girl's life, a girl who grew up inside Islam and knows that honor killings can and distressingly often do occur when children apostatize, thus "shaming" the family "honor."

You're applying the classic discredited moral equivalence argument that Christian fundamentalists are just as bad as Islamic fundamentalists because they are, well, religious fundamentalists. But you neglect the very important distinction that Christian fundamentalist parents don't kill their own children for apostasy, whereas Muslim fundamentalist parents very often do.Travel to any Muslim country and talk to the locals about this and they will admit that this is, indeed, the case and the police and judiciary wink at the practice.

We do not need honor killings in the U.S., and it is unconscionable that you would try to dissemble the issue as you have. It will only be stopped by exposing it for what it is and vigorously prosecuting parents and any family members who are accessories to this abominable practice.
10:34 PM on 09/03/2009
So now these parents should be held responsible for so-called honor killings performed by other Muslim parents on the other side of the globe? If one Muslim does it, they must all do it? These parents had allowed their daughter to be a cheerleader so they don't exactly seem like Islamic fundamentalists to me. There is no evidence that this girl's parents are bad parents or will harm her in anyway (unless, of course, you want to use the actions of other Muslims against them).
08:56 PM on 08/19/2009
If she had been born a Christian and taken in by this man, she would be considered to have joined a cult--an underage Christian or Jewish girl running away and joining a religious group that turns her away from her parents would normally be called brainwashing.
09:05 PM on 08/19/2009
Just to clarify I meant that a Christian girl joining a Reverend who took her in rather seeking out her parents to let them know she was okay--well, we would not consider that Reverend to be all that Christian.
11:17 AM on 08/21/2009
A simple request to the author Salam Maryati, please read your own texts.
Your own prophet has said to kill anyone who changes his religion FROM islam. Here is the authentic hadith

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260: Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.260
07:36 PM on 08/19/2009
Salam Al-Marayati was too kind with his comments. After watching the video of Rifka, she seems to be under mental stress and it was a shame that the reverend used her to express his feelings. She almost seemed like she was in a trans. I think law enforcement should investigate the reverend and his history.
11:18 AM on 08/21/2009
A simple request to the author Salam Maryati, please read your own texts.
Your own prophet has said to kill anyone who changes his religion FROM islam. Here is the authentic hadith

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260: Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.260
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06:19 PM on 08/30/2009
Classic blaming the victim. The girl's parents threatened to kill her, and if you would research the subject of honor killings in Islam you would know that this was not an idle threat. If you were in the same position, you'd be under mental stress, too, buddy.
07:16 PM on 08/19/2009
A very informative and eye opening piece! This is the type of nuance needed to clear up the misconceptions that face our public discourse as it relates to Islam. Kuddos to Mr. Almarayati and the HP for this piece!
04:25 PM on 08/19/2009
Mr. Al Marayati makes valid and pertinent points. Rifqa is an underage girl who ran away from home after meeting a Reverend via facebook. I hope this Reverend who is half her age and may have assisted her running away is being investigated!!
The reality is if this was a Christian girl who ran away from home and converted to Islam with the help of an Imam via facebook it'd be a totally different story.
Youth should have the freedom and choice to practice whatever religion they choose however, it isn't fair to stigmatize these American Muslim parents because of their Islamic faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smppnqCi-i4&feature=related
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05:48 PM on 08/30/2009
Rifqa's parents aren't being stigmatized because of their Islamic faith, per so, but because there is concern that they want to kill their own daughter on account of her decision to become Christian. There is much precedent for this in Islam, as Rifqa certainly knows, and as you would, too, if you took the time to research the subject.
05:27 PM on 08/18/2009
It seems that the Qur'an does have such a command: Surah 4:89-90

However, the Bible has a similar law: Deuteronomy 17:2-5

Also, the Bible does indeed have a command to "separate the kids from their parents": Luke 14:26

Interpret these as you will, but there they are.
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10:30 PM on 08/18/2009
Surah 4:89-90 is about groups that are harmful, self-defense and alliances. It ends with "Thus if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them." This has nothing to do with apostasy.
09:52 AM on 08/19/2009
If only every Muslim (and Christian) would interpret it in the way that you do...
11:26 AM on 08/21/2009
How about hadith Salam,
To be exact Bhukari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
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02:31 PM on 08/18/2009
There may be no such verse, but both history and the news provide many examples of moslem societies in which apostasy is declared a crime. The meme's coming from *somewhere*, and what matters is its existence, not its provenence.

Every religion contains a large number of laws, beliefs and customs not found in its scripture.
11:27 AM on 08/21/2009
There is such a verse in Hadith, that too authentic hadith.

Bhukari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:

Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "