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Sam Black

Posted March 4, 2009 | 10:45 PM (EST)

Hillary Was Right to Downplay Human Rights in China


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently concluded her first trip abroad, where she visited Japan, South Korea, China, and Indonesia. Going into the trip, she stated that human rights would be on the agenda with China:

"Human rights is a part of our agenda with the Chinese, as is climate change and clean energy and nuclear nonproliferation and dealing with the North Korean denuclearization challenge and the six-party talks," she said, according to a transcript of her remarks released by the State Department. "And that's why we want a comprehensive dialogue. We're not going to be shying away from talking about human rights issues, but we have a very broad agenda to deal with when it comes to China."

As it turns out, Secretary Clinton did not strongly emphasize human rights during her trip to China, where such concerns are most relevant. While this policy decision prompted criticism from a number of domestic advocates, it was the correct decision.

Sources of Criticism

The strongest criticisms of Clinton's trip came from liberals concerned that de-emphasizing human rights during a publicity tour would hinder progress towards global respect for human rights. (And to be clear, this was a publicity tour - the administration is reviewing policies in every imaginable area, just as George W. Bush did following the Bill Clinton era and Clinton did following the GHW Bush era. Hillary could not have been communicating details of new policies because, at this moment, there are none.) The Washington Post:

In fact, her comments understated the significance of what a secretary of state says about such matters, and how those statements might affect the lives of people fighting for freedom of expression, religious rights and other basic liberties in countries such as China.

The Boston Globe:

Clinton made another kind of gaffe when she said pressing China on human rights "can't interfere with the global economic crisis, the global climate change crisis, and the security crisis." Even if these were her priorities in talks behind closed doors with Chinese officials, her comment sent the wrong message to those officials, to Tibetans and Chinese democrats, and to human rights defenders in China.

Sonia Cardenas:

Clinton's position has two potentially detrimental effects. It undermines the long-fought campaign for a comprehensive foreign policy, one recognizing the interdependence of human rights concerns with traditional strategic goals. And it ultimately fails civil society groups in China and those suffering human rights abuses.

Human rights activists in China are not fans outside of a Jonas Brothers concert. A wave or kind word from their role model, or the lack thereof, isn't the pinnacle of their existence. In between the handful of trips the American Secretary of State will take to China during her tenure, these brave men and women are fighting an existential battle against a dominant and extremely well-organized foe - the Chinese security forces. Those who choose this line of work in China are surely among humankind's most self-sacrificing - to act as though they require a few words here and there from visiting American officials to sustain themselves is to demean their bravery.

The Wise Choice

As I've argued elsewhere, international legitimacy depends on consistency. If you only emphasize human rights when vital interests aren't at stake, you're being hypocritical. Needless to say, this is a bad thing. As Anne Applebaum pointed out:

I also don't care what she says about human rights to the leaders of Iran, Zimbabwe or North Korea, if those words will have no meaning in practice. Grandiloquent human rights speeches that amount to nothing have been a hallmark of American foreign policy since at least 1956, when we didn't come to the aid of Hungarians taking part in a rebellion we helped incite. Fifty years of broken promises is quite enough, and if we're abandoning that habit now, good riddance.

Amen to that. The less we sound like we preach human rights only when it's to our advantage (and we're not prepared to back it up) the better.

China cares about publicity. They don't cancel initiatives important to the U.S. when we sell arms to Taiwan, but when we announce that we're going to do so. That may be practical, so as to dissuade us from actually going through with the arms sales, but nonetheless, initiatives such as military-to-military exchanges are vital, and cannot be risked over words that won't be backed up in the case of Tiananmen v2.0.

Why It Was Smart

The U.S. has other issues to discuss with China than human rights, like, say, nuclear war. As a Council on Foreign Relations brief notes:

U.S. military planners clearly see the potential for China to develop as a "peer competitor." The U.S. Defense Department's 2008 report on China's military power says "much uncertainty surrounds China's future course, in particular in the area of its expanding military power and how that power might be used."

China could easily have taken offense over Clinton's theoretical criticisms of China's human rights policies and canceled military-to-military talks that were called "the best set of talks that I have ever been a part of" by an American official. Previous military talks were called off in response to (the announcement of) U.S. arms deals with Taiwan, but are now slated to resume. And right after Clinton left, the State Department issued a report which criticized China harshly over its human rights policies. Needless to say, the Chinese were not happy.

The United States needs China to cooperate on issues of vital importance, including North Korea, financing the federal budget deficit, and averting an inadvertant nuclear war. If downplaying human rights allows us to do these things while also looking less hypocritical, why shouldn't we do so? China's human rights record is poor, and is already a non-trivial factor in Sino-American relations. But as with all other political issues, prioritization is crucial. Secretary Clinton did just this during her trip to East Asia and ought to be commended for it.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently concluded her first trip abroad, where she visited Japan, South Korea, China, and Indonesia. Going into the trip, she stated that human rights would be on t...
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently concluded her first trip abroad, where she visited Japan, South Korea, China, and Indonesia. Going into the trip, she stated that human rights would be on t...
 
 
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05:23 PM on 03/06/2009
Perhaps we should discuss Social Justice and not "Human Rights?"
07:38 PM on 03/05/2009
Publicity? Grand ideas about human rights.

Please. It's about the money. Obama, unlike Bill Clinton, is not going to cut deficits, he's going to increase them. Words from Hillary:

"I certainly do think that the Chinese government and central bank are making a smart decision by continuing to invest in Treasury bonds," she said during an interview Sunday with the popular talk show "One on One." "It's a safe investment. The United States has a well-deserved financial reputation."

The stimulus scandals, the pro-corporate health "reforms", all of it is being done on China's dime.
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05:24 PM on 03/05/2009
More failures of conservatism

George W. Bush destroyed our credibility on the human rights issue. That's what happens when you mislead the nation into war under false pretenses and then go after civil liberties.

Also, because of failed conservative economic policies, including tax cuts for the wealthy that they didn't need, we went from surpluses to huge deficits, giving China a dangerous level of influence over our economy. Now in order to fix this country from the ravages and trail of destruction that failed conservative policies have caused more debt to China will temporarily be accumulated.

It may take a couple of decades before we recover from the failures of conservatism and George W. Bush.
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skialethia
αω vs military might
03:55 PM on 03/05/2009
Hillary failed to call out the Chinese on their human rights abuses and she failed to call out Israelis on their human rights abuses!

Hillary was screaming about human rights during the primaries; she has proven she's a fraud; she doesn't give a dmn about human rights! She doesn't given a dmn about children who are being denied basic humanitarian aid!
04:11 PM on 03/05/2009
I cannot see the comparison of Israel's removal of the palestinians from their homes, shops and farms, with China's development of Tibet, including NOT removing them from their land, building homes, schools, hospitals, electricity, water, roads, etc.

Gotta tell you, I believe our policies torard the American Indians is like what Israel is doing, and opposite what China is doing.
04:48 PM on 03/05/2009
China's policy toward Tibet is similar to American policy toward Native Americans in one crucial regard: cultural warfare.

Not the 'culture war' in the primitive sense we mean it in the United States.

China is not a pluralistic society. Cultural minorities are pressured to assimilate into the Han Chinese cultures. This includes Chinese cultural minorities like Chinese Jews and Christians, and non-Chinese ethnic groups like Uighurs, Mongolians, Tibetans, Koreans, Aryans and others. Enjoyment of Chinese mainstream life is contingent upon participating in Han Chinese culture, or confining one's own cultural life to stringently regimented 'approved' channels such as state sponsored synagogues, mosques, and churches. The only Bibles and Korans permitted are those fully approved by government censors.

The Tibetans (and other minorities) are expected to 'be Chinese' or else submit to second class citizenship in the same way that the Dawes Act forced the same upon Native Americans.

I should also note, without either justifying or condemning either nation in puncturing your logic, that Israel makes precisely the same claim about Palestine that you just made about Tibet on behalf of China. In both cases, a population was forced to endure large-scale settlement by another society. In both cases this has provided material progress, in the Western sense of the word. In both cases, the population being occupied has a different view.
02:38 PM on 03/05/2009
When I need a "devil's advocate" to help me understand a liberal mindset, I think of Michael Stivic - "Meathead" from "All in the Family."

The guy was a true believer in every left-wing cause that came down the pike. I didn't always AGREE with him - but I certainly respected his consistency. What do you suppose HE would say to Hillary's cold calculations?

Today, the idealists are gone from your party. "Go along to get along" with the criminal regime that rules China. Our economy DEPENDS upon looking the other way on issues we have cared about for so long, little matters such as human rights, or a free Tibet.

Look - we got bigger fish to fry. I think I hear some teacher's union calling me...
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07:06 PM on 03/05/2009
"Go along to get along" could be the Democratic Party's motto!
01:10 PM on 03/05/2009
Wouldn't it be the height of hyprocrisy for the US to introduce the concept of "human rights" into any conversation?
02:52 PM on 03/05/2009
Touche'

Considering that we keep the bulk of our minorities in ghettos even more violence filled and repressive than any the world has seen. And that our prison system is racial based genocide, that taken with our economic policies ensure the disenfranchisement of most people of color as well as those whites in poverty. It's just a kinder, gentler form of Fascism.
03:55 PM on 03/05/2009
we wouldn't be keeping minorities in the ghettos if we didn't have welfare. There's nothing like a free handout to keep people from being all they can be...

I'm not against taking care of people, but the systematic problems of public housing (a liberal idea in the first place) destroyed whole communities and broke the will of many people.
04:58 PM on 03/05/2009
Our prison system is racially biased, but you throw the word 'genocide' out too lightly. Nor are our ghettos 'even more violence filled and repressive than any the world has ever seen.' Drive down to Mexico or Colombia and see what is happening in THEIR ghettos right now, in a far less racially diverse society where the people in ghettos are the same race as the people keeping them in ghettos.

The problem is economic: poverty creates ghettos, poverty prevents escape from ghettos, poor people trapped in a ghetto have few avenues of economic survival but crime.

Race IS a part of the problem, but addressing the economic problems will allow progress on the racial front.

Look at the Republican Party: wealthy conservative black people hate poor black people as much as wealthy conservative white people do. Then deny racism exists at all.
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12:48 PM on 03/05/2009
Of course, Mr Black, commenting on thorny issues, such as harvesting the organs of executed political prisoners, with our primary creditor is a luxury that the United States can no longer afford. The US should approach its relationship with China in the same way a prostitute transacts with a John ... only say "ouch" if it translates into a better tip.

The United States should attempt to stand for something if only for the nostalgia of it. Hell. if we want to dispense with the Human Rights angle entirely maybe we could provided some of the torturers we trained up over the last eight years in an exchange program where we can really show the Chinese how they can get the most out of a student internee.

You're absolutely right, Mr Black, we can't get all emotional about the plight of the little people when there are greater concerns. Henry L Stimson himself framed the proper approach to these human rights sentimentalities when he understood that American and Filipino forces on Bataan were about to collapse to the Imperial Japanese forces:

"There are times when men must die."

Indeed.
03:04 PM on 03/05/2009
Was Stimson one of them? I'd guess not...
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11:51 AM on 03/05/2009
C hina rules the world. Maxwell Smart Power dont work in Asia
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jsgaetano
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11:33 AM on 03/05/2009
And to be honest, after the last eight years, the USA is hardly in a position to be preachy on human rights, or even rule of law.

Which isn't to say we need to stop getting countries to abide human rights- quite the opposite. But now it takes a different strategy, one that says "yes, even we have problems living up to our ideals, but together we can make the world a better place."

For too long, American diplomacy has been one of doing for others or just throwing money at a problem (or, the conservative form would be to just throw weapons at a problem). Intelligent diplomacy will be to send experts over to help the target country's experts, and work together on getting sustainable improvements made.
04:13 PM on 03/05/2009
or, the conservative form would be to just throw weapons at a problem

Like Kennedy did in Vietnam?
Or the Bay of Pigs?
I'm sure The Korean War is somehow the conservatives' fault too...
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jsgaetano
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04:56 PM on 03/05/2009
Hey, I think you missed even more from your time machine. Maybe you can go back to the Civil War!

Try living in at LEAST the last few decades, dude. I know right wingers have to look back to over 100 years ago to find a time when they last had any credibility, but come on. Kennedy? Hilarious!
04:18 PM on 03/05/2009
For too long, American diplomacy has been characterized by the paternalistic approach of "do as I say, not as I do".
There, I fixed that for you.
10:24 AM on 03/05/2009
Let me recontextualize this argument:

If your boss is a racist, sexist, unethical and criminal A hole, it's best not to address those issues with him while in your performance review since, well, you need the money.

I think you can have diplomacy without ever taking your eye off the ball, i.e.: without ever making China feel as if you approve of what they do. Now can everybody see why taking the moral high ground in international relations (not to mention at home) is immensely important?
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11:50 AM on 03/05/2009
soooo true about taking the high road. That's what Obama is all about. I think Hillary learned a lot about that from him.
12:18 PM on 03/05/2009
It's not that simple. As the writer, I think, pointed out, it would be hypocrisy for Clinton to take the Chinese government to task over human rights abuses given the human rights abuses perpetrated by the USA over the 8 years of the Bush Administration, some of which arguably are continuing under the Obama Administration. I read somewhere that the CIA director, Leon Panetta condones renditioning. The Obama administration is using executive privilege (as the Bush administration did before his administration) to prevent Guantanamo detainees bringing their complaints of human rights abuses (such as their unlawful detention, torture, renditioning to torture sites and so on) to the attention of US courts..
04:23 PM on 03/05/2009
America is no more human rights abusing than freakin' France
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RedneckDem
The top 1% stole my made in china bootstraps
09:20 AM on 03/05/2009
The sooner we, including this writer, realize that China is only looking out for #1, the easier it will be to talk to them on more equal terms. Constantly acquiescing to China when they will no doubt throw us under the bus as they grow into an equal super power is rediculous. US and International Corporations set Chinas path to a world super power and what do we get in return? The illusion of cheap goods, all at the eventual cost of our economy (oh my, ain't those chickens coming home to roost as we speak?). This all could have been done without sacrificing our own economy and their environment over a much more sustainable amount of time.

To be blunt... I am sick and tired of the China apologists. The sooner we cut them off the sooner we can move on to a more long term American growth plan. The pain of cutting them off in the short term is well worth it if we become a whole country again. We didn't fight the revolutionary war to become slaves to globalization and conformity.
12:43 PM on 03/05/2009
You make it sound as if somehow this is China's fault for flooding the US market with cheap goods. Oh, and what about the responsibility of the consumer? The poor US consumer was just doing China's bidding? If it weren't for China's malign influence, its overpowering sweatshops and communistic tendencies, US citizens would be marching dutifully to the nearest bank or broker and would be saving or investing his money instead? You're like the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand. I think your new President, Barack Obama, wants your people to grow up. I think what he's saying is that you need to take personal responsibility which, in part, means stop blaming other countries for the mess you yourself made.
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RedneckDem
The top 1% stole my made in china bootstraps
01:01 PM on 03/05/2009
Look a s s w i p e, read my post again and again. I didn't blame China, I said they are looking out for themsleves only (i.e. when they're done with us, they'll move on without a care in the world) and OUR corporations gladly sold us down the river. If you can't see that then I am sorry for your little apologetic rear end.
A mess I myself made??? Your brain must rattle around your skull like a marble in a boxcar...
12:44 PM on 03/05/2009
China, by the way, is already an equal superpower. Its real economy, I think is about 85% that of the USA and given that the US economy is contracting significantly at the moment, it could be closer to 90% of the US economy now. In just one or two years time, China will be the world's leading industrial power. The USA's 120 year tenure at the number one spot will be over. Live with it. Fiscally, China is in much better shape than the US economy. While the US groans on huge annual deficits and mounting debt, China is in a fiscal situation somewhere akin to where the USA, I think, was in the 1950s - huge surpluses vis-a-vis the rest of the planet. And, while, the USA still have a lot of hard diplomatic power because of its post-Cold War legacy, NATO, trans-Pacific alliances and so on, China has grown soft diplomatic power built on its growing financial muscle everywhere. It seems to me it's only a question of time before this kind of soft diplomatic power becomes so huge that even hard diplomatic power succumbs to it.

Just imagine if China and the USA would set aside their imagined differences and combined forces to make the world a better place. My word, the world would become a better place REAL FAST, if only these two countries can get their collective act together.
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RedneckDem
The top 1% stole my made in china bootstraps
12:56 PM on 03/05/2009
If you really think China wants the "greater good" outside of whats in it for them, I've got some swampland to sell you...
09:12 AM on 03/05/2009
Her silence indicates acceptance. The German population was criticized, rightfully so, regarding its silence in the 30's and 40's. Her silence on the harvesting of body parts, slave labor, selling of children into sex slavery, etc. indicates approval of such actions by the US.
10:29 AM on 03/05/2009
clap, clap
07:05 AM on 03/05/2009
According to the fiction villain Gordon Gekko, "Greed is good." According to you, not criticizing massive violations of human rights is good.

How are those assertions not moral equivalents? How is Mrs. Clinton not failing us, yet again?
03:49 PM on 03/05/2009
Please give an example of massive human rights violation in China in the past 5 years.
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06:04 AM on 03/05/2009
Six weeks into the Obama administration and Hillary is ALREADY playing the VICTIM. She fighting mad because she was "excluded" for policy discussions on Russia, and fighting mad because she is excluded from policy discussions on health care reform.

Maybe Hillary should focus on what she is included in, which gives her a VERY full plate, and stop with the co-president diva act, and get some counseling to help her overcome her constant feelings of victimization. Enough Clinton drama. The nation has too many challenges to nurse her ego.
03:47 PM on 03/05/2009
Hillary's problem is she has a problem with diplomatic speech. She has a big mouth, and talks like a garbage truck driver. Her comment that Afghanistan was nothing more than a "Narco-State" is only one example of her colourful and offensive speech, and not that far from W who referred to the Three evil countries. I doubt she will be effective in any role that requires developing trust and civil discourse.
06:00 AM on 03/05/2009
Curious. China's regime is culpable of some of the most egregious violations of human rights on the planet, yet one rarely sees protests with the voice and the vitriol that some "leftists" (I am ashamed to label myself that anymore) hurl against tiny democratic Isr**l. Where is the outrage against China's treatment of Tibetans and prisoners of conscience? Where is the outrage against Mugabe's vicious regime? Where is the outrage against the gross anti-S*mitism in the media of Hamas and much of the Arab/Islamic world? Where is the outrage against the treatment of women and gays in Iran? Where are the massive marches and demonstrations on behalf of the black Christians and Animists behind murdered in Islamic Sudan? I see little and hear less...quite telling.
03:43 PM on 03/05/2009
Are you saying that China is like Israel? Unbelievable. It seems to me that the US ethnic cleansing, ie the removal of the American Indians, and using war to lock them onto "reservations," is similar to the removal of the palestinians, Nakba, and the creation of the Gaza Ghetto.

Opposite those tactics, China has NOT removed ethnic Tibetans from their land, has supported fully their development, including schools, hospitals, performing arts, etc.

Incomprehansible to me how anyone can claim to be a liberal, lie like a rug, and stick head in sand like repubs? Oh, perhaps we have an infestation of closet neo-cons?