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'Blue Valentine': The Difference Between Falling in Love and Falling in Need

Posted: 02/13/11 11:12 AM ET

The extraordinarily well-acted film "Blue Valentine" is being promoted as a film showing the eventual death of young marital love. Its cynical message: Marital love cannot last. This is underscored by two heartbreaking renditions of the Ink Spots' "You Always Hurt the One You Love."

Nothing is further from the truth, however. True marital love can and does last. And last. And last. One of the ways it is always destroyed, however, is when a union is based on extreme neediness not understood by either.

Sadly, the marriage of Cindy (Michelle Williams) and Dean (Ryan Gosling) never could become this type of sustaining marriage. Though neither realized it, they were each desperately "in need," not "in love." And their union was doomed from nanosecond one.

Reviews that tell the plot of a film, even when brilliantly written, drive me bonkers. So I will try not to do this to you. And anyway, this is not a review. I write as background, warning and framing for any who see authentic theater as mirror into ourselves and those we live with and care about. For I have worked with innumerable clients who have lived the heartbreak of Cindy and Dean and their sweet little six-year-old girl Frankie for exactly the same reasons. I write as a wake-up call.

Like many, Dean and Cindy did not learn about living well with another from their parents. Dean was abandoned by his mother when he was very, very young. His multitalented father was devoid of all ambition. Though Dean held a steady job, he, like his dad, had no desire to grow beyond his economic and social station in life. Cindy, however, was very ambitious, hardworking and beautifully suited for the training of a physician -- an accomplishment she yearned for. But life threw her the curve balls of a mean, cruel father and an early lover who was every bit as cruel.

Dean, dearly kind and desperately needy for the nurturing and closeness denied him, seemed, at first glance, to "save" Cindy, who repaid him with the tenderness he had yearned for all of his life. He thought his dearness and devotion to his wife and daughter would be enough.

But early in the film we see that Dean was still a child -- brutally hurt and angry about all the warmth and fun he had been denied. Though superficially always sweet, he criticized his wife over meaningless things, revealing, in doing so, his own deprivation. With no awareness of his actions or their impact, he treated Cindy like his mother; and, on an emotional level, Frankie was far more his sibling than his child.

Cindy also yearned for kindness and closeness, but from a man -- not an emotional child. She was so exhausted and disgusted by her reality that the only way she could endure physical contact with her husband was to drink. If she could get him to hurt her, a state all too familiar to her, at least she could feel something. Dean had no idea why he so repulsed the wife he clung to. The pain of the rejection he endured, and Cindy's loneliness and isolation, were heartbreaking to witness.

This type of needy union plays itself out in myriad forms, always destructively. It eventually chokes the health and joy out of every moment a couple is together. There is the fatherless woman, who insists that her husband -- to show he loves her -- must check in with her several times a day. But enough, for her, is never enough. There is the brilliant student who refuses to finish college and earn a living, even though his wife is willing to work constantly so that both are well educated, with earning power. There is the sexual addict, emotionally a child, who believes constant affairs and one-night stands will keep her safe from rejection from a marital partner, who has no desire whatsoever to abandon her. There is the teacher, who comes home to teach, preach and lecture, rather than allow give and take in the relationship and see his partner for the adult she longs to be able to become. There is the attorney, who places all of his family on the witness stand, acting out his childish rage for all he was denied on those who love him. The list goes on and on.

Everyone who marries had growing to do, and most marriages endure disappointments. But falling "in need" rather than in love is always a death sentence, leading to abandonment, hopelessness and rage -- unless both begin to understand the road taken and change it. Yes, we do hurt those we love. But in the marriages that blossom, the hurt always leads to an intimate, trusted love and devotion that two adults make possible.

 
 
 

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The extraordinarily well-acted film "Blue Valentine" is being promoted as a film showing the eventual death of young marital love. Its cynical message: Marital love cannot last. This is underscored by...
The extraordinarily well-acted film "Blue Valentine" is being promoted as a film showing the eventual death of young marital love. Its cynical message: Marital love cannot last. This is underscored by...
 
 
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Amadahy
loves peanut M&Ms and Whippoorwills
11:05 AM on 02/17/2011
I'm not sure I understand this article. It may be the intricate comparison of the movie, which I haven't seen, to real life scenarios which is confusing me.

Is the article saying that relationships based on love are more apt to succeed? Conversely relationships which aren't built on love but instead are just needs being expressed by different sides are doomed to failure? Does that sound right?
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Martha L. Wellington
01:10 PM on 02/17/2011
In one of the chapters of her books SaraKay talks about "Swiss Cheese People". They are clueless that their inner neediness drains others. This inner emptiness happens when love and apropriate role models are denied children, who grow into those who expect, often demand, that others fill in these holes, while they act like children. Mature love does not make these demands. Mature people need to love, and yes, life can make them needy at times. But their basic persona is not to drain and act out against others. Those in this state have no conscious awareness of it. They can wake up and grow up, if they chose to.
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Amadahy
loves peanut M&Ms and Whippoorwills
10:42 PM on 02/17/2011
I see Ms. Wellington. I've been involved with a woman who was like this.

She was very needy, and I tried to give and give to make things right. I was never enough. She was rarely happy. I pray for her every night hoping that she finds what she needs, even if it may unfortunately be as a result of some personal anguish. She's going through a hard time in her life.

Sometimes, we're able to achieve greater clarity and a keener sense of the truth by living through tough times. I hope she does.

I came to feel that me being around was extraneous, that it gave her little pleasure. And she always expressed wants and needs...
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SaraKay Smullens
02:45 PM on 02/17/2011
It sounds very right, Amadahy; and Martha explains it further. Mature love is not draining to others. It fulfills. It involves give and take, time, hearing and valuing the other, and compromise. When one needs you desperately, not to love you, but to fill up inner emptiness, it at first can feel like love. But it will overwhelm and deplete. Do see this brilliant film. Your question was a clarifying one. Thank you for writing.
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Amadahy
loves peanut M&Ms and Whippoorwills
10:24 PM on 02/17/2011
Thank you Mrs. Smullens. I will.
06:32 PM on 02/15/2011
Great article...an eye opener.
After 30 years od marriage, I am in the middle of a nasty divorce.
It is a domestic violence/abuse divorce.
You are so right.....he needed me (didn't love me) and I needed him (thought I loved him).
Do you think all domestic abuse marriages are based on need not love?
Could a combination of the two make for a nasty, vendictive divorce (on my huabnd's part)'? He refuses to let my have anything, my property, our property, good memories....anything.
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SaraKay Smullens
08:06 PM on 02/15/2011
Dear Janis,
Every marital life is of course unique, but, in all of my experience, men who beat their wives, are at heart children who marry to control, in order to deny to themselves and all they know how infantile they really are. Frequently they marry nurturing, kind women longing to be loved and needed, and expect them to be the mothers they never had. When life disappoints in any way, and of course in the real world it will, these emotional children turn on their partners, often brutally. I am deeply saddened that you are going through this. Yes, these men are determined to rob they their wives of any happy memories and strength to survive when divorce becomes necessary, and they do their best to make the divorce process more of a nightmare than it already is. This is a prime reason I would like to see all divorces outside of an adversarial arena, relying instead on skilled arbitrators who understand psychological pathology and can protect women and children. I urge you to google "domestic violence resources" and find help near you, as well as a skilled therapist in your area. Also, you must find a good lawyer. Your local bar association should be able to help you. I wish you so very well. Thank you for writing and sharing. It will help others.
11:44 PM on 02/15/2011
You are right on.
He had to have control and he never allowed me to contridict him in front of anyone.He never allowed me a credit card or shared credit cards, no shared accounts and if he didn't like the tone of my voice, he would not give me money for food. All I wanted was to have a family and be loved.
I went to a domestic violence place and they moved me out of my house to another city.I have no health coverage since my husband stopped paying so the DV people have been giving me therapy. They sent me to a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with a bad case of PTSD (so war and marriage have something in common) and I am now taking medication for it..All this was free because I had NO money. My husband is a doctor....so it was hard finding people who believed me.
My kids are grown but it has been unbelievably hard on them because 'dad' refuses to keep them out of it.
And yes...he is a kid, a bully who never grew up...and to this day his mom thinks it's so cute that he broke his father's rib. Arbitration would have been great, but he refuses to cooperate. He decides what information the court needs and he decides when they need it. It is not going well and we are on our 3d judge.
12:04 AM on 02/18/2011
I think some people were simply taught that violence is okay; they were raised by parents who hurt them. I really don't see it as a mature/not mature designation.It's sort of like calling a person addicted to drugs 'immature'. This is why these domestic violent people are most often people who have acquired high earning, respectable jobs. It's not that they are 'immature' in any way; it's just that the learning that goes on when we are children is often very deep.
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Martha L. Wellington
09:37 PM on 02/15/2011
the first time my husband beat me was when I told him I could not be his mother and be expected to make his entire world right for him. I said that if he could not stop treating me like he owned me, I needed a divorce. He responds with his fists.
11:46 PM on 02/15/2011
I'm so sorry. I hope you didn't wait 30 yearas like I did to get a divorce. Good luck
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal = liberty.
01:17 PM on 02/15/2011
Hollywood does us a disservice by making "love" seem like something that "happens to us." Lines like, "I fell in love" or "I'm falling in love" are, to me, unhelpful.

Love is a choice. The chemical combination of my wife's pheromones along with her physical beauty no doubt led me to "fall in lust" with her. But after 19 years, I feel pretty confident in saying that I CHOOSE to love my wife, each and every day. Because there have been times when we have fought that I sure as heck didn't feel like loving her (and I'm sure she would say the same about me). But there are also some pretty basic, universal principles that I believe if most people would actually apply, they would have successful marriages like my wife's and mine is:

Love, honesty, forgiveness.

- Choose to love each other, every day.
- Be honest with each other, even when that means saying things that are hard to say or hear.
- When you screw up either one, or both, of the first two, practice forgiveness (which is different than simply apologizing - forgiveness means the transgressor asking for forgiveness, and the transgressee offering forgiveness)

Love is not something that happens to people that is uncontrollable; quite the contrary. It is something both must actively DO each and every day.

BTW, I really appreciated this post - very insightful. I see lots of other couples that self-destruct in ways you related. Would that they learn from
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SaraKay Smullens
01:37 PM on 02/15/2011
Dave, what a meaningful, wise response. Thank you so much! You and your wife are truly blessed. You have each and both made it happen. I have seen that "falling in love" and "falling in lust" are often the same, but sometimes different.......for another discussion. "Falling in love" involves so many unconscious factors, ones that often have nothing to do with the actual person, but instead, what that person touches in you. You are describing a shift that all enduring marriages make from "falling in love, lust," or a combination --- and truly choosing to love and cherish the person you are with for who she/he really is, with feet squarely on the ground. And sometimes also still fortunate enough to reach for the stars, in love, in lust, and oh so fortunate........
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal = liberty.
02:13 PM on 02/15/2011
"Falling in love" involves so many unconsciou­s factors, ones that often have nothing to do with the actual person, but instead, what that person touches in you."

I'll certainly grant that, and perhaps I could have worded more clearly. I guess what I meant is that Hollywood can, at best, externalize "love" through moving pictures and sound. Yes, we may "feel" something when watching a movie due to music/words/actions, but what WE feel is different than what actual people feel for each other. I realize they try to reflect real life, but often the hard work of successful relationships gets left off the screen, and if it was written at all, on the editing room floor.

There is so much that goes into making a successful relationship - give and take, letting the small things go, communicating effectively (A LOT!!), forgiving when even the best of intentions go awry, etc.

I think the problem is love seems so easy - and initially, it may be, but I think that's due to the chemical brew our brains create when we "fall in love." We overlook the things that 5 years down the road may drive us crazy!

Both my wife and I have changed over the years - I think for the better. But some people view us as not having to work at it; we make it seem easy. But we have a lot of years of hard work and conscious choices that got us there.
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bikerdude
On the left side of progressive
11:04 PM on 02/14/2011
In love.
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SaraKay Smullens
11:29 PM on 02/14/2011
Enjoy and happy valentine's year!!
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09:55 PM on 02/14/2011
Thanks SaraKay for the article and the follow-up comments, they seem insightful.
Happy Valentine's Day
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SaraKay Smullens
11:30 PM on 02/14/2011
Thanks for writing, P3! You are so welcome. It is wonderful to share with Huffington Post readers. A privilege.
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OtayPanky
You're welcome
05:46 PM on 02/14/2011
Some time back, the late doyenne of family therapy Virginia Satir said that she figured that 1 out of 20 couples actually had a good marriage. The rest (she said) were split 50/50 between those who had a conflict marriage and those who had an avoidance marriage.

What do you think? Do you think true marriages of the heart are as rare as Satir says they are?
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SaraKay Smullens
11:38 PM on 02/14/2011
I am not sure about Satir's statistics, though I value her enormous contributions to my field enormously. I do believe that those who maintain true marriages of the heart (once they are blessed to find this joy and hope) work very hard to maintain their great fortune. The marriage itself is a third party in a relationship, a living entity. It must be invested in wisely and carefully, or it will suffer and die.
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maori
12:19 PM on 02/14/2011
I've never seen the movie but every situation is different. Some people need love more than they need anything else, some people have everything except love, and for some people, all they need is love, and the rest they can handle themselves.

Sometimes, love does save people, in a way nothing else can. Love heals.
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SaraKay Smullens
01:30 PM on 02/14/2011
Well said, Maori. That is why I have so much trouble pigeonholing human beings into diagnostic categories.
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zeedubya
Zalina
12:13 PM on 02/14/2011
What does that mean "I need my husband because I love him."? That does not make any sense. I am scared of needing anyone because of the emotional turmoil that happens when that person you "love/need" does not meet your set expectations. I've been there and know needing someone is much different than loving someone. Loving someone allows that person to be human, allows you to provide that person and not always need something from that person. It's a give and take relationship, where you're interested more in bettering yourself, instead of that other person making you a better person.
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SaraKay Smullens
01:32 PM on 02/14/2011
I think what littlepuffycloud is saying is that she needs to love.
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littlepuffycloud
I propose a toast to my self control...
10:58 AM on 02/14/2011
I need my husband because I love him.
10:27 AM on 02/14/2011
Reviews that tell the plot of a film, even when brilliantly written, drive me bonkers. So I will try not to do this to you.
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But you did.
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SaraKay Smullens
11:14 AM on 02/14/2011
I see what you mean. But (in my defense) I only meant to frame, using very broad strokes in order to share what I have learned from life and work. The previews told about as much as I did. But, I do understand your point! Do you have any suggestions about how I could have discussed this sad marital dynamic, saying less about Cindy and Dean's actual life? You have a great many fans, and much to teach! Thank you for writing.
06:51 AM on 02/14/2011
You end your article with this: "But in the marriages that blossom, the hurt always leads to an intimate, trusted love and devotion that two adults make possible." But you provide no advice or roadmap for achieving that intimate, trusted love and devotion for those unfortunate enough to have been extremely emotionally deprived in childhood. Any practical advice? Because it's much easier said than done!
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SaraKay Smullens
09:09 AM on 02/14/2011
I do have advise, yes RLL88! But, as you so aptly said, "It's much more easily said than done." This growth is not an easy road. I am not comfortable promoting my own books, unless asked. But they are listed below. They provide an overview of understanding how to will yourself to understand what has gone wrong and move forward. The challenge is to achieve what I think of and call "an emotional sense of direction." There are also articles on my website, www.sarakaysmullens.com. Please followup with any questions on future blogs, and I will do all I can to answer them. Thank you for writing!
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katiek2o
02:21 AM on 02/14/2011
we're all in need.. love is something we want, decide to do, a feeling that is out of need.. how do you decipher the two. true love and neediness? well two people may be in love, but why? bc the feeling it gives themselves-therefore i think there both in need. eventually with one person it goes awry faster, and then the one still holding one is needy? im sick of these condescending articles nevetheless that go nowhere.. its all equal/everybody turns needy at some point when someone they know is the right one turns away..when your truly in love you dont go around meddling and trying to criticize people/ or point out weaknesses in your spouse..
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SaraKay Smullens
09:18 AM on 02/14/2011
I so agree that loving another means you do not "go around ..... criticizing," but successful marriages need time and talk. You allude to a very important distinction between loving another and being in love. I hope to write about this in another blog. I truly did not mean to be condescending. Because the misery of Cindy and Dean is the kind of deep hurt I see in so many forms, I tried to use my experience to shed some light. This extraordinarily brilliant film points to a union between a man who had been psychologically damaged through rejection and isolation, and a woman who needed him to grow to a point that he did not know how to reach. He had no understanding of what she tried to tell him, and she grew to pity him. This film is heartbreaking and sadly, very true to the lives of so many.
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katiek2o
12:44 PM on 02/14/2011
Its a complicated subject,the emotional damage one.. but people that are emotionally damaged just have to drop it to live, move on.. people that damage other people are not legitt themselves.they are both at fault, for staying in the wrong relationships i think.. and loving someone as a way of pity is just as damaging.. you know when it works with someone or it doesnt yo..i go by dreams,, whoever shows up in them makes me happy/whole/ feel love unconciously is usually the best determinent i think..just when everyone is used to not believing they tend to not believe it, but i think true love is attainable if people listen to their dreams, and look out during the day.. easier said than done i reckon
AllyCat7
Snarks need not reply.
12:31 AM on 02/15/2011
There is a difference between love and need. For example, when you rely on someone else for the entirely of your emotional well-being, then you need that person to a level that is very unhealthy. If the person you are with tells you that they are no longer happy with you, and you love them enough to let them go and find it elsewhere rather than cling to them because your need them, then that is called love. It's ok to need, but it shouldn't be taken to the level that causes someone else to be unhappy or to feel overburdened. A loving marriage should be a meeting of two individuals who don't need someone else, but WANT someone else.
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SaraKay Smullens
07:20 AM on 02/15/2011
It is evident that life has been your profound teacher.
08:12 PM on 02/13/2011
Excellent article, I wish it had elaborated on more.
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SaraKay Smullens
08:41 PM on 02/13/2011
Thank you, Stephanie. If you tell me what else you would like discussed, or what you would like discussed in more depth, I will try to include it in a future blog.
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antaeus
Full-Cream Marriage Now
12:09 AM on 02/14/2011
I had a reaction similar to Stephanie's. Perhaps the paragraph that lists a rogues gallery of unhappy spouses could be expanded and explained. I would find that interesting.

I also start to feel slightly claustrophobic when I hear phrases like "station in life." This is a fascinating and important discussion, but do you ever worry that an exclusive focus on personality can elide the real size of the "curve balls of life" problem? For example, the US and the UK lag well behind European socialist countries in the amount of upward mobility afforded to citizens. As someone who marks a 22nd anniversary tomorrow, I am especially interested in the effect of bust-boom economies on marriage.
06:55 PM on 02/13/2011
Love contains need.
 
 
If you don't need each other, then you aren't in love.
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SaraKay Smullens
07:06 PM on 02/13/2011
I agree that we need to love, and those who love need each other's cherished intimacy, company and companionship.

I was talking about expecting or demanding others to fill in the holes in yourself, rather than do so yourself. And acting this inner emptiness out.
07:14 PM on 02/13/2011
It depends what one is personally lacking. For example a weak willed person might be improved by falling in love with a strong willed person, and vice versa. Love is often about two people coming together and improving each others deficiencies or excesses.
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katiek2o
02:23 AM on 02/14/2011
exactly, everyone is so concerned about getting cheated.. love is a need that when which is met, you transcend yourself, and your needs are not neccessary i think..you focus on others, and by one special someone, and one strong connection, i think this happens. and it spreads in everything you do in life as a result of it.. true love
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SaraKay Smullens
11:33 AM on 02/14/2011
Great point! Love is not only about receiving. It is also about giving. Knowing and living this becomes the magic you so beautifully describe.
06:19 PM on 02/13/2011
I haven't seen the movie yet but I want to comment on your take that marital love can last. I for one, ( and I think I'm much older than most of you), haven't seen "marital love" lasting in many marriage. I see a lot of "existencing together" to keep a marriage in tack but I don't see a lot of "love". Even then their conversations, they are always full of put downs, acquisitations, scarasm, but nothing loving or supportive (at least by my standards). People get married too quickly for true love to even develope and most find afterwards they don't even really "like" their spouse. If more people were honest( with themseleves) when asked the question, "would you marry this person now knowing what you know," the answer no. Look at marriages after the kids leave you see very little marital love. So I don't know if marital love last or not but would like to think it does. Like one person here, think we need to go back to not showing all and telling everything and getting back to real romance.
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SaraKay Smullens
06:47 PM on 02/13/2011
If my adult daughters and son, and their partners are reading your "much older" comment, they are really laughing. I would love to know why you think this. I am a grandmother of five!

Yes, I also adore romance, in film and in life. I hope that tomorrow, each of us can tell some we love -- a partner, a friend, a colleague, all they have meant to us.

Yes, I do know what you are talking about. People can be totally insensitive, dismissive and cruel to those they should be kindest to. It can be sad and disillusioning to see.

As Willow712 explains: To have a fulfilling marriage, you have to feel worthy of one. You have to pick a partner who wants to live as a grown up; and you have to both give a great deal of time to a living entity, your marriage. Or it will die.

Also, as dancinggrandma says, you have to have a very good sense of humor about the opposite sex!

I have seen many truly devoted marriages, and yes, I have seen what you are describing also. Enduring marriages take a great deal of work, and that takes a great deal of time and investment.
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Bare Bones
10:03 PM on 02/14/2011
this really resonates with me. you have to live as a grown up and have a good sense of humour. How true! Two points though: sometimes even middle-aged people don't always behave as grown ups; and being able to find amusement in situations while it presents itself is hard sometimes, but trust me, sometimes a couple of years down the road one often finds themselves laughing about the very things that use to drive them nuts! I just love love, even though it's risky. Thanks for your article. I now really want to see the moive :)
01:47 PM on 02/14/2011
This seems a tad cynical. Long term marital love does exist and last, which has been confirmed through brain scans of happy couples in love. This is pretty fool proof given it takes away the subjects ability to fabricate a response.
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SaraKay Smullens
02:17 PM on 02/14/2011
A great Valentine's Day commentary on marital love! Thank you.