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Because They Are Not Gay! What 'Forcing' Bert And Ernie To Get Married Teaches Us About Homophobia

Posted: 08/12/11 09:52 AM ET

There is at least one petition out right now with 5,000 signatures requesting thatĀ SesameĀ Street puppets Bert and Ernie get married. Ā You've probably read about it and maybe it seems like harmless amusement from people whose heart is in the right place in the realm of gay-marriage rights. Ā There is just one problem. Ā Bert and Ernie are not gay. Ā The producers of Sesame Street have said as much. Ā Since Bert and Ernie are fictional characters, said producers are the final word on such a subject. Ā Want to know how I know Dumbledore is gay, even though not one reference to his sexuality is made during all seven Harry Potter books? Ā Because JK Rowling told me as much. Ā She created the character and if she says he's gay, then he's gay. Ā And if the producers of Sesame Street say that Bert and Ernie are merely platonic friends living asexually in the same apartment, then one must accept them at their word. Ā Bert and Ernie are not gay, therefore there is little-to-no chance that they are in the kind of romantic relationship that brings about marriage, thus they should not be getting married.

But they are two guys living together! Ā But they are both well-dressed, polite, and neat! Ā But they obviously aren't family and seem to spend much of their time together! Ā So obviously they are secretly gay, right? Ā No. Ā I discussed this back in January 2010 (Click here), but the answer is still no. Ā Sherlock Holmes and John Watson are not homosexuals. Ā Batman and Robin don't make-out in the Batcave after the last villain is sent to Arkham. Ā Sam is not Frodo's unrequited gay lover. Ā Charles Xavier and Erik Lehnsherr do not secretly have the hots for each other. Ā Time and time again, we of the pundit class constantly decide, no matter how thin the evidence, that any two men or boys who have any kind of friendship or emotional attachment to each other are clearly involved in some kind of homosexual relationship. Ā Hell, in my younger days, I made the Bert/Ernie jokes as well as part of a larger rant about the unusual demographic makeup of Sesame Street (i.e. you have an obsessive-compulsive eater, a six-foot bird with gender-identity issues, a homeless, depressiveĀ hoarder, and a vampire!). Ā But this kind of wink-wink, nudge-nudge foolery masks a deeper strain of homophobia at its root. Ā And its acceptance by those who wield critical andĀ societalĀ authority teaches a horrible lesson.

By the constant need to ascribe homosexual leanings to any two men who happen to be in the same room together for more than a few minutes, we are in fact teaching a terrible lesson to society and especially to young men. Ā We are in fact teaching them that any kind of emotional connection between two males is in fact 'gay'. Ā We are teaching that any kind of emotional connection between male fictional characters is to be ridiculed and considered 'queer'. Ā No, there is no such thing as two men or young boys being close friends and even having an emotional connection. Ā Nope, they OBVIOUSLY have to be secretly gay and/or in love with each other. Ā Bring that down to a societal level, especially one such as ours that still often punishes homosexuality, and you have an entire generation of men and boys who are convinced that being friends with another 'dude' on any level other than surface-level will cause them to be called out as 'gay'. Ā And, if it must be said, this kind of automatic presumption of homosexuality is indeed an insult to actual gay men. Ā It is insulting both in its content (it doesn't take real homosexuality seriously) and its reaction (the constant teasing and mockery). Ā Sometimes, two guys hanging out together, be it for solving crime or teaching theĀ alphabet, are really just friends.

Bert and Ernie are just friends. Ā I know that because the producers of Sesame Street told me so. Ā Does the Gay Rights Movement really want to be seen as forcing two men to get marriedĀ irrespectiveĀ of their actual say in the matter? Ā Just because they are close friends who both happen to be male doesn't meant that they are secretly lovers pining to get married. Ā In a nation where real gay couples are unable to get married in their home state, it is an insult and a cheapening of their real love to demand that two fictional television puppets get married just because they fit into certain gay stereotypes. Ā There is plenty of work left to do in the struggle for equal rights for the LGBT community. Ā Those involved (and those who support their struggles) surely have more important things to do then forcing two unwilling Muppets to tie the knot. Ā And they certainly don't want to send the message to men everywhere that a man can't be kind and friendly to another man without being considered homosexual. Ā Real men, regardless of sexual orientation, can be friends with other men.

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02:51 PM on 08/17/2011
"And they certainly don't want to send the message to men everywhere that a man can't be kind and friendly to another man without being considered homosexual." This is, actually, quite offensive, in that it infers that being considered homosexual is a bad thing. In actuality, "real men" don't care if they are considered homosexual because sexuality does not define them. Only those who are homophobic worry about being considered a homosexual.
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anitaj
09:35 PM on 08/16/2011
All I can hope is that Bert and Ernie are fulfilled in all askpects of their lives and that I never learn the details of what consenting muppets may or may not do when the prop room door is closed.
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r henry
I live between concrete walls
04:02 PM on 08/16/2011
Platonic friends living together don't share a bathtub. That's all I know.

However, I agree that puppets cannot be gay.
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UserNameJane
Does my micro bio make my butt look big
03:42 PM on 08/16/2011
I am gay, have been all my life, the this is just silly, We have battles and wars to fight, this is not one of them. Next I guess Fred and Barney will be on the list. Let it go. Lets Stand up and fight for something that is real. This just makes our fight for marriage seem like some silly joke. Im not saying that fictional cartoon characters should not be gay, but apparently the creators of the charactors say they are not.
02:48 PM on 08/16/2011
This thread has devolved into a discussion that is "all about the children". By looking at Bert and Ernie's pictures, I really don't think children are ever going to enter into their 'picture', so to speak.

There are NO children in approximately 75-80% of gay households, so NO children are being deprived of or are "*missing*" a parent of one gender in the vast majority of cases. In the remaining ones, studies DO show that gay people make just as good parents as heterosexuals do.
11:56 PM on 08/17/2011
Last I looked, this show was about the children, not gay couple's children, not heterosexual couple's children, simply children, so why wouldn't the discussion be about all children?

But I like your facts if they are accurate!
02:15 PM on 08/16/2011
Hmmm, headline says they're being "forced" to get married, but the content of the article says they're being "requested" to let them get married.

Since when does a "request" become the equivalent of being "forced"???

Is a puzzlement.
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anitaj
09:30 PM on 08/16/2011
My first thought when I saw "forced" to marry was to wonder which one of them was pregnant and which muppet "friend" was holding the shotgun.
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antaeus
Full-Cream Marriage Now
11:04 PM on 08/15/2011
You are right about Bert and Ernie.

But, your article brings up another interesting question (which might perhaps be best discussed on the Books page, rather here) - the idea of authorial intention. Is the author the final word on his/her work? Why? Are you saying that all that matters is what the author intended, and that there can be no more interpretations beyond that.

I thought we had moved beyond that kind of orthodoxy. We know now that the author's intention is simply one of many possible interpretations of a piece of work. It is also important to see how readers receive it. Shakespeare probably didn't intend for Shylock to be a sympathetic character. But, now, almost universally, he is played sympathetically. Why? Because we've been through things that Shakespeare hadn't, and we interpret Shylock differently. Our interpretation is not less valid. 

Similarly, the creators of Sesame Street might not have intended for Bert and Ernie to be gay. But, that doesn't matter. That's only one interpretation. Viewers have a different one, and that tells us something about our present society.
10:12 AM on 08/16/2011
The viewers are 3-5 year olds.

They do not have a viewpoint on the socio-political construct of gay.

Why do 900 adults want to inappropriately confront *other* people's 3-5 year old children with THEIR viewpoint?
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antaeus
Full-Cream Marriage Now
11:24 AM on 08/16/2011
Five year olds have a reasonable understanding of adult marriage.

http://gay.americablog.com/2011/08/if-muppets-dont-have-sexual-orientation.html
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TBJ
Irrelevent Blurb
11:28 AM on 08/16/2011
So, you want to ban gay couples adopting, or having kids with a surrogate/donor?
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r henry
I live between concrete walls
04:07 PM on 08/16/2011
I think that, as an artist, every piece I create is a self portrait in it's own way and I know there are things in there that were not intentional, that others will see and draw from. However, there are other aspects to the work that are, indeed, subject to what the creator SAYS they are about. for example, if it's a flower, then it's a flower. If it's the sky, it's the sky. If the character is or isn't gay then he is or isn't. Sure, you can still put your own interpretation on that but you'd be mistaken.

If I write a song and I say it's about a certain thing, then that's what it's about. End of story.
01:42 PM on 08/15/2011
He11, Larry Craig is also "NOT GAY!!!" - and he's married. (Albeit to a woman. Go figure!)
01:01 PM on 08/15/2011
It isn't supposed to MATTER if they're "not gay". Same-gender marriage should be open to any and ALL people who wish to marry someone of the same gender. It could very well BE two retired gentlemen who wish to pool their assets and not be hosed by the Government in their decision to make living together as a married couple. It isn't the government's (or a busybody film ciritic's) BUSINESS who other people marry.
03:37 PM on 08/15/2011
I agree with you -- *if* civil marriage is going to be redefined to be gender neutral it should be available to any pairing, regardless of motivation.

And that also is why I do not support ss civil marriage.
02:20 PM on 08/16/2011
You actually didn't explain any "why" behind your lack of support. You simply said you don't. Care to now?
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r henry
I live between concrete walls
04:08 PM on 08/16/2011
Then you ought to revoke support of opposite sex marriage. A man and a woman can marry for the same motivations.
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dbrockskk
10:14 AM on 08/15/2011
great. sexualizing children's programs
01:02 PM on 08/15/2011
It isn't ABOUT sex.

DO BETTER!
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rheuer111
10:05 PM on 08/15/2011
how in the world would the presence of a married couple be considered "sexualizing" children's programs?
09:50 AM on 08/16/2011
The presence of a ss married couple would sexualize children's programs because it highlights the difference between "mommy and daddy" couples and same sex couples.

The difference, of course, is the sexual paring of partners.

It begs the question what is marriage, if not for "mommies and daddies."
03:43 PM on 08/16/2011
"how in the world would the presence of a married couple be considered "sexualiziĀ­ng" children's programs?"

Because in the minds of some, marriage is only about sex.
09:38 AM on 08/15/2011
Don't people have anything better to do with their lives than to propose that Bert and Ernie, two puppets, are gay and should bet married?
01:07 PM on 08/15/2011
Former Vice-President Dan Quayle thought Murphy Brown was a real person and that she should have been married because she brought a baby into the world.
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kapalabhati
Lokah Samasta Sukhino Bhavantu
02:36 PM on 08/15/2011
Yes, and that was kind of silly.
03:25 PM on 08/15/2011
"Murphy Brown" was an adult show, and his comments addressed the "Murphy Brown" show's viewers demographics.
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rheuer111
10:07 PM on 08/15/2011
don't people have anything better to do than get all freaked out and up in arms about the concept of two puppets being portrayed as a married couple? calm down.
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Curandera
08:42 AM on 08/15/2011
Actually, I think that Ernie is abusive to Bert. He is always mocking him and getting in his personal space. Ernie doesn't respect Bert. I don't think it is a good relationship.

Now an adult Potter and Snape is hot.
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KDMac
It's called sarcasm, Genius.
10:46 AM on 08/15/2011
But Bert's an enabler with OCD.
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kapalabhati
Lokah Samasta Sukhino Bhavantu
02:37 PM on 08/15/2011
Snape's dead, though...
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meeks
Perfectly my flawed self at all times
08:16 AM on 08/15/2011
"We are in fact teaching them that any kind of emotional connection between two males is in fact 'gay'."

Never thought about it before but I can see your point. Great article.
02:28 PM on 08/16/2011
How do you get "that ANY kind of emotional connection between two males is in fact 'gay'"?

Generalize much? This is about this one specific "couple".
02:06 AM on 08/15/2011
Great article. Even the modern term "bromance" to describe two buddies is so off. Cannot two men be friends anymore?! Ben Affleck and Matt Damon seemed to have pulled it off but perhaps that was back when this term hadn't been invented. The other day in an international city I saw two guys in a bumper car at a fair and one had his arm draped over the other as a matter of safety. An American couple made a comment. Of course. They were not an item at all. It was clear to anyone else. This sad homophobia takes a lot away from straight and gay men. John Wayne is dead and the stereo-type that men ought to be Western-rugged-loners needs to die too. (I thought it would after Brokeback Mountain, but noooo). Nothing wrong with gay. Nothing wrong with straight. But let's stop making one the other and stop being afraid the other will become the one. You choose which is which. :)
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KDMac
It's called sarcasm, Genius.
10:48 AM on 08/15/2011
It's not a new concept. I know when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s, if two guys went to a movie together, there was always an empty seat between them. Not that there's anything wrong with that....
01:04 PM on 08/15/2011
But ZMP, it is the very JOB of the American 'right' to take as much as possible away from gay people. It is still perfectly legal to fire someone for being gay (and in some cases, even for being BELIEVED to be gay, or even for being supportive of one's gay friends/co-workers) in 30 American States.