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Why I'm Not Marrying Any Gay Couples on July 25

Posted: 07/21/11 12:21 PM ET

Across New York City, and the entire Empire State, truckloads of wedding invitations are being dispatched for July 25. On that auspicious day, happy gay and lesbian couples are inviting their friends and family to join them on beaches, boats, churches and courthouse steps to watch them tie a knot that, in many cases, should have been tied years ago.

As someone who worked hard toward making this historic moment happen, I'm giddy with excitement. But as a reverend who is now newly sanctioned to conduct legal, state-authorized weddings, I am feeling a little uninvited to the party, as not one same-sex couple has approached me to officiate at their ceremony.

At the risk of sounding immodest, I'm an obvious choice as a bona fide minister and the president of Union, a seminary, where open LGBTQ students and faculty have been studying and teaching for decades. Given this, it's interesting to ask: Why is my schedule for July 25 not booked solid with vow-sharing celebrations? In some small way, I think, it indicates that the tide of intolerance toward gay and lesbians is not only turning, but has been for quite awhile. After all, it's been nearly 20 years since I presided over my first same-sex marriage.

This was back in the early 1990s, when I was a professor at Yale Divinity School. At this time, no state in America was issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples and few churches were even talking about it. I don't recall being particularly shocked, or even surprised, however, when two women who were Divinity School students approached me one afternoon, and asked me if I would marry them.

There was no question that I was willing. Immediately, it struck me as an idea whose time had come. I teach the history of Christianity, so I'm all too aware how the church has, at various points in its checkered past, refused to allow interracial marriages, interfaith marriages and even international marriages. Just as these unfair interdictions faded away over time, I believed prohibitions over same sex couples being wed would, too.

But here's what most interesting. I didn't say "yes" to the lesbian couple's request right away. Instead, I paused. Why? Because I wouldn't have given my assent immediately to a heterosexual couple, either.

Marriage is a serious business, and shouldn't be entered into lightly, whether you are gay or straight. With this in mind, I insisted we have a series of conversations together about what their proposed union meant to them, during which I could discern if I found them compatible enough for me to publicly sanction their commitment ceremony. Like any responsible pastor, I had to make sure I wasn't enabling a destructive union to take place, one potentially marked by violence, for example. In this case, after six weeks of marriage counseling, all was well. I agreed to marry the women.

This is a crucial point, and worth pondering for a moment longer. I am proud to be ordained by the United Church of Christ and the Disciples of Christ, as both of these denominations have been at the forefront of supporting LGBT issues, be it the ordination of gay clergy or the right for homosexual couples to marry. Support, however, does not translate in our faith communities into special treatment. Marriage equality is just that: equality. Despite some of the inflammatory and fear-mongering rhetoric that swirls around this contentious issue, gays and lesbians can't expect, and shouldn't get, an express pass to the marriage altar.

Here's a funny story. Later that distant summer, an older woman friend, she was probably 75, asked me if it was true I had married two men. said, "Oh no, that's not true at all!" She looked immensely relieved -- at least she did until I added, "I married two women." Well, she hesitated for a moment, staring at me. Then the woman smiled and jerked up her palm to give me a high five. On the spot, she changed her mind. She was open to the new normal.

Alas, not everything worked out quite this happily ever after. I'm sorry to report that this first same-sex marriage I oversaw did not last. The couple ended up separating and eventually dissolved their bond.

Two decades on, I look forward to an even "newer" normal, when I'll watch reports and hear tell of the many hopefuls (Reuters has estimated 66,000 gay couples will marry in New York state in the next three years) who will begin lining up on July 25. Again, though, let's remember that homosexuals are no different -- not worse, not better -- than straight couples, in that their legal unions are just as apt to succumb to pressures and problems and just as likely to result in divorce. Sadly, that's just how it is.

My hope, however, is that churches will continue to be places where guidance is offered and support given to couples as they struggle through difficulties. Our task as clergy is not to marry everyone who asks. Our calling is to provide honest and caring direction to couples who seek to embark on that awesome task of binding their hearts and minds together.

The end of any marriage -- including, I might add, the unraveling of my own -- does not lessen my commitment to the idea of holy matrimony.

On the contrary. If the church is to have any relevance in our lives, it must be a place that every single day celebrates and nurtures love of all kinds, yet consoles and forgives everyone whose love falters or fails.

That's marriage equality.

Dr. Serene Jones is the first female President of Union Theological Seminary.

 
 
 
Across New York City, and the entire Empire State, truckloads of wedding invitations are being dispatched for July 25. On that auspicious day, happy gay and lesbian couples are inviting their friends ...
Across New York City, and the entire Empire State, truckloads of wedding invitations are being dispatched for July 25. On that auspicious day, happy gay and lesbian couples are inviting their friends ...
 
 
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02:24 PM on 07/25/2011
Statistically, 60% of all divorces are from couples of some faith or another and married in the church. It is a tradition to be married in the church for most people and it is one of the games people play just to go along to get along. Despite what people believe [faith] their happiness does not depend on living the 'good/godly' lifestyle, it is ultimately the secular lifestyle that people desire most...no one or nothing telling them how to live their life. We all know this, but can't/won't admit it because the truth will hurt the church...as it has and should be.
01:52 PM on 07/24/2011
Check out today's post with photos of the first couples to get married across New York. You will come across one with this caption: "Phyllis Siegel, 76, arms raised, and Connie Kopelov, 84, in wheelchair­, both of New York, celebrate after becoming the first same-sex couple to get married at the Manhattan City Clerk's office, Sunday, July 24, 2011, in New York."

76 and 84 years old! They have been together for 50 years! How many people died waiting for the right to marry the person they loved?

No, these people should not have to wait one minute more so someone can counsel them on how to be a couple. Not one minute.
02:54 PM on 07/25/2011
Fine. Just not from this minister.
02:15 PM on 07/23/2011
Well, I've been with my same-sex partner for several years now, living in every way as a committed, monogamous (married) couple. There are no civil unions in Pennsylvania, but we've done our best to circumvent that with a host of legal documents and provisions for one another.

We're not some couple who have only known one another 6-18 months, we're not some couple who have never lived together, we're not some couple who one might suspect don't really know lies ahead of us.

Were state law to abruptly change, were we suddenly able to get married, I rather doubt that we would ask ourselves to wait while we undergo pre-marital counseling by someone who, frankly, has no great experience with offering pre-marital counseling to same sex couples.

I cannot think of anything that would, at best, be a waste of time or, at worst, be insufferable.

Rev. Jones, I think you are making an unwarranted and false assumption that the New York couples who will soon marry one another *legally* have not already been married *in practice* for many years.
07:09 PM on 07/23/2011
Agreed.
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meeks
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02:41 PM on 07/25/2011
I agree with you when I think about older generations. My best friend's same sex parents have been together for 35 years and the same is true for the couples that are in their circle of friends. Yet, I don't agree that Rev. Jones is completely wrong. I listen to my friend's parents compare themselves to the younger generation. They called the younger "hyper relationships". They meet and fall in love so quick, move in and fight and move out again in the time frame of months. Is this different then straight couples. No. It is the same with my peers too. So quick to shack up. So needy for that commitment. I have seen the same myself with a lesbian friend of mine. She has yet to live by herself.
So in short ( to late) I think she is right to advice waiting. For you, you are right. You have been married for years. Making it official would be the icing. But for younger generations. Time is needed to really consider such an important step.
06:26 PM on 07/22/2011
"I am feeling a little uninvited to the party, as not one same-sex couple has approached me to officiate at their ceremony."

You need better marketing....
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10:50 AM on 07/25/2011
LOL!! :)
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Todd Surfs
Therapist, gay activist
05:58 PM on 07/22/2011
This is a different tune than the same writer's article from July 2009. Now that the actuality has come to fruition, I'm surprised by the back-pedaling.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/serene-jones/marriage-equality-is-a-th_b_213127.html
03:24 PM on 07/25/2011
I'm not surprised that you've clearly not read the article.
05:51 PM on 07/22/2011
Looking for an officiant for that special Sunday July 24th wedding in New York City?

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05:40 PM on 07/22/2011
Also, if you do six weeks of marriage counseling, and gay couples were allowed to marry for the first time 30 days after the bill passed, well, there's your answer. Many of these couples have been waiting years, even decades, and are already living as married couples. They should not have to wait one moment longer to make it official.
05:26 PM on 07/22/2011
God gave us free will,it is not up too a Man or Woman to make the choice on who we Marry, when we Marry or if we where good enough in your book too get married...Marriage is a civil right..Somebody else does not affect my marriage vows and vice versa...
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zeroesandones
just a regular guy
11:59 AM on 07/22/2011
I would ask you to do ours..
But we caved and went to Iowa 2 years ago and got married..
05:43 PM on 07/22/2011
Will it be recognized in NY? I'm not sure how that works among states that now have marriage equality. IL just passed a civil unions bill, and I don't know how that works in states that have marriage equality and in states that don't. I think they should have gone farther, of course. Why take baby steps on this?
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elsololobo
disabled trucker
11:05 AM on 07/22/2011
I rest my case.
UVA1983
Left of left
09:19 AM on 07/22/2011
I'm not asking you or any religious person to celebrate my marriage because for my whole life you have not been there for me or the GLBT community. Now I'm supposed to come running to you to ask you to officiate? My relationship of 20+ years has survived despite little to no acceptance from most faiths, most citizens, and most government and municipal entities. So, no. Don't expect any calls from me.
08:53 AM on 07/22/2011
I find this post unbelievably patronizing. Between these words, I read "now you gay people let me tell you what you need to do once you get your rights." Of course you have the right to conduct the ceremonies you hold in any way you see fit. Of course you have the right to counsel thim as you would other couples. What is the point? It sounds like you are scolding us for something we have not done. The couple did not ask for you to change your practice.

Oh, and same-sex couples are NOT the same as opposite-sex couples. Despite the growing acceptance of our unions, we have to deal with daily indignations that straight folks never do. The fact that our relationships can survive at all is truly a miracle.

I think this post was written for heterosexuals who are afraid that the world will end and all standards of morality will go out the window. However, those of us who are queer had to read this as well and some of us are deeply offended.
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GretchenMann
09:37 AM on 07/22/2011
It is patronizing because it is religious.
10:02 AM on 07/22/2011
It came off that way to me also. I don't see anything wrong with applying the same rules to homosexual couples in her congregation of course but she comes off as preaching to people outside of her faith.

I also don't understand why high divorce rates are seen as negative. I see it as a positive sign that the church is losing influence over society. Divorced people, especially divorced women, are no longer stigmatized and people are free to get out of bad commitments and move on.
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elsololobo
disabled trucker
03:44 AM on 07/22/2011
Precisely the point..."the church" has no relevance in the lives of rational people, certainly not regarding who they choose to wed.
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08:59 AM on 07/22/2011
I find that offensive. Plenty of churchs have relevance in the lives of rational and intelligent people. I think it's unintelligent to think your personal views are better than anyone else's.
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elsololobo
disabled trucker
11:06 AM on 07/22/2011
I rest my case.
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practiceempathy
Tolerance need not yield to willful ignorance.
10:38 AM on 08/01/2011
I find it offensive that religious people often think they are rational and intelligent merely because they are religious, and that their personal views are better than everyone else's by default.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:45 AM on 07/22/2011
Great story Dr. Jones! When my wife and I were waiting to wed and asked our pastor (who also happened to be a second cousin....) to conduct our wedding, he told us point blank that he would do so only after we attended several sessions of pre-marriage counseling. Greatest investment in time I've ever spent!
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GretchenMann
09:39 AM on 07/22/2011
Is there any evidence that it is of any long term value or does it just make one feel good for a few weeks? Just wondering.
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GretchenMann
02:05 AM on 07/22/2011
I am so glad my wife and I did not have a religious ceremony and did not require some strangers approval to marry. By the rime we made that decision we knee it was the right decision for us.
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intellifran
insert clever line here...
09:00 AM on 07/22/2011
You wouldn't have required a stranger's approval to begin with. If you were a religious person you would already have a relationship with your religious leader and therefore they woudln't be a stranger.
05:54 PM on 07/22/2011
Not necessarily. It would depend on what church you married in. Couples seldom come from the same church in the same town anymore. And they may now live and work and plan to marry in a totally different place than where their familiar churches are.

My dad ended up having his funeral presided over by a perfect stranger. His minister had retired and moved out of state only a few months prior to his death. He would have hated it.

A friend's daughter was married in her grandmother's church by her grandmother's request. Neither she nor her husband knew the minister. But they had known each other for 6 years and were adults in their late 20's and hated the counseling by a man who didn't know them at all. They only went through it for her grandmother.
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GretchenMann
09:42 AM on 07/22/2011
Bravo, Silverfern! I wish we'd done the same. Neither one of us had the self composure to do that at 21 and back in the 70s.
05:56 PM on 07/22/2011
When my preacher said my husband had to go to classes and convert, and his rabbi totally refused to marry us at all, we chose a judge (friend of the family) and had the wedding in my parents' living room. I thought my mother would put up a fuss about not having it in church, but she loved my husband so much, she didn't.

Happily married for 33 years.